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Saw that. Were Decker and his coach lying when they said Meyer called and asked to talk to Decker and he said no thanks?
Seems like Urban is lying again, didn't they contact decker he said no thanks, and then hinton got hired and they tried again to contract him. He then decided to take a visit and then switched his pledge. I thought after Meyer originally got the job Decker reaffirmed his commitment with ND originally? I'm not positive on this time line of events but thats what I remember happening.

Who cares who was lying? Both were involved in (a) the lie, no matter what. Who wants a liar?
 

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Who cares who was lying? Both were involved in (a) the lie, no matter what. Who wants a liar?

Agree...

I'm going to re-iterate what I've said about Urban before...He lies when the truth sounds better. There was zero reason to lie here...yet he did, and he draws kids into that behavior...telling ya...pure unadulterated Sociopath!
 

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Why can't they just sign a letter of "possible" intent. Where when it is signed, no other school or coach can contact the recruit, unless the recruit reaches out to that school. The focus should be on the kids and not having much power due to the pressure of who to sign with. You like School A? Great sign here, no one else can contact you unless you initiate contact first. Oops didn't like that School A is recruiting 3 more players at your position? Hello School B, I would like to talk with you.

This process should be made for the kids, not for the schools or the coaches.
 

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Why can't they just sign a letter of "possible" intent. Where when it is signed, no other school or coach can contact the recruit, unless the recruit reaches out to that school. The focus should be on the kids and not having much power due to the pressure of who to sign with. You like School A? Great sign here, no one else can contact you unless you initiate contact first. Oops didn't like that School A is recruiting 3 more players at your position? Hello School B, I would like to talk with you.

This process should be made for the kids, not for the schools or the coaches.

Makes alot of sense to me....
 

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Who cares who was lying? Both were involved in (a) the lie, no matter what. Who wants a liar?

No one really cares. The fact is this discussion was about Urban and if he was lying again. Sorry for the dialoge. If Decker doesn't want to be at ND his loss.
 
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What I was trying to say is that you have most probably a kid who was lying, a coach that is always lying, in other words, a marriage made in heaven. Birds of a feather . . .
 

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my only question--as i know poaching happens, the bigger problem is the over signing and beyond that, such a late signing day--didnt urban in his first presser at OSU say since he was coming in late, he wouldnt have anything to do with recruiting.
again, who cares if he did, its his team, but why LIE about things that are so unimportant?
 
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Au contraire, Urban and the bucks petitioned the NCAA for special permission to let him on the road while the other staff was coaching for the bowl game, and during quiet periods, etc, because someone had a boo-boo.
 

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I can't believe I'm defending Urban Meyer here, but, by virtue of his accomplishments and reputation, and the timing of his hiring, he was sort of a game-changer when it comes to recruiting this year.

Whoever made the first phone call, was anyone really surprised that Decker flipped? Ohio kid. Wanted to play at OSU but never got an offer. Then Meyer comes along and hires his ND recruiters and tells the kid he wants him to be a Buckeye. A no-brainer.

Four of Meyer's eight "flips" came from Penn State. Well, I'd bet if their entire football program hadn't imploded in late November most of them wouldn't have left. Don't know enough about the kids he got from MSU and Wisconsin, but all's fair in recruiting, and programs that gun for BCS berths ought to know that. The eighth was Perkins, who didn't flip from Notre Dame so much as get dumped. OSU was easily his best offer, and he took it.

Is Urban Meyer a lying, dirty scoundrel? No doubt. He's also a more accomplished college football coach than anyone not named Stoops, Miles or Saban. And he's a hell of a recruiter. He won a bunch this year. But the Big Ten will adapt, and once it does you won't see eight flips in a month again any time soon.
 

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Au contraire, Urban and the bucks petitioned the NCAA for special permission to let him on the road while the other staff was coaching for the bowl game, and during quiet periods, etc, because someone had a boo-boo.

ah, yes. correct sir. my bad.
 
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ah, yes. correct sir. my bad.

No it's not; you are also corect! He did say that in a very early pr; I just can't find it right now!

(Please don't call me sir, I may snap my head around too quickly, looking for my dad over my shoulder!)

stlnd01, is your arguement anything more that a justification for football to become any dirtier and anti-social than it already is? Check your argument carefully. I mean, if that is truly your perspective, why be an ND fan? One of the biggest reasons I love everything about Notre Dame so much is they are all about the high road; perfect, no, unwilling to stoop, just about!
 

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stlnd01, is your arguement anything more that a justification for football to become any dirtier and anti-social than it already is? Check your argument carefully. I mean, if that is truly your perspective, why be an ND fan? One of the biggest reasons I love everything about Notre Dame so much is they are all about the high road; perfect, no, unwilling to stoop, just about!

I'm not saying Brian Kelly should be more like Urban Meyer. Not at all. And frankly I'm glad Meyer's not our coach, because I think it would put the university in a lot of compromising positions. For the same reason, I've never been on Team Saban.

But let's not act like we never go after committed players. I could name a whole bunch but doubt I'd need to. Lots of people around here take a certain pride in our current staff's persistence, and it has paid off.

And all this hand-wringing about Meyer and his eight flips? Well half of them you can hang on Jerry Sandusky. One was basically fixing a mistake by his predecessor (if Tressel would've offered Decker, he probably never commits to ND in the first place). Perkins was certainly fair game. Don't know enough about the other two to say.

And Meyer isn't some MAC coach who got promoted to head Purdue. Like him or not, he's one of the very elite in the game, taking over an elite program. Of course that's going to be attractive to kids. I'm not going to call him names for taking advantage of it.

Besides, this won't happen again. Meyer basically squeezed a full year of recruiting into three weeks, but from now on he'll be working these kids for a year-plus. My guess is he locks down Ohio like Mack Brown locks down Texas, books most of his class by August and fights for a few at the end. Meanwhile other Big Ten coaches will know to keep closer tabs on their commits, and there's nothing wrong with that.
 

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Urban at it again

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MT @BHOOLZ Will Urban coach differently knowing OSU can't go to bowl? "I really don't know. I'm gonna do research." Says he will call USC

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Welcome to Coll. Football 2012: This week Lane defends Urban and now Urban says he's gonna call USC abt coaching thru bowl ban.
 
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If those two get together to talk about surviving a bowl ban, I hope they do it in a church so they will be struck by lightning upon their departure.
 

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Sounds like a lot of envy on this board...

I hate Urban Crier as much as the next guy on here...but putting on your makeup and acting like a buncha b*tches because he "steals" recruits is absurd.

Grow some sacks, fellas. Welcome to college football recruiting. And nobody is complianing about Aaron Lynch?....crickets.......

Just my take on stuff like this...
 

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Get off your soapbox. ^

We all know about Lynch, Tuitt, etc...

Urban Liar is a slimeball and he'll get his
 

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Why can't they just sign a letter of "possible" intent. Where when it is signed, no other school or coach can contact the recruit, unless the recruit reaches out to that school. The focus should be on the kids and not having much power due to the pressure of who to sign with. You like School A? Great sign here, no one else can contact you unless you initiate contact first. Oops didn't like that School A is recruiting 3 more players at your position? Hello School B, I would like to talk with you.

This process should be made for the kids, not for the schools or the coaches.


This does make a lot of sense.
 

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Report: Ohio State needs ethics office - College Football - Rivals.com

Report: Ohio State needs ethics office
By JoANNE VIVIANO, Associated Press

COLUMBUS, Ohio (AP)—A report given to an Ohio State board of trustees committee Thursday recommends that the university hire a vice president to oversee a new office and new committee responsible for monitoring ethics and rules compliance across the university system.

The report by consultants is a response to the school’s football memorabilia scandal that led to the resignation of coach Jim Tressel, but its recommendations would apply to numerous departments including athletics. The trustees’ audit committee accepted the recommendations, and they head to the full board on Friday.

If approved, the next step would be implementing the recommendations during the next six to 12 months, said university Chief Financial Officer Geoff Chatas.

He said a university-wide ethics office would help provide consistency among the university’s department-level compliance teams that make sure various regulations are followed.

“We’re always trying to be better at Ohio State and trying to be best in class,” Chatas said.

The university would maintain its compliance offices for athletics, research, the medical center, financial aid, disability services and information security.

University-wide compliance offices are a growing trend across the country, said Ada Meloy, general counsel at the American Council on Education. She said they likely started at schools with hospitals and Medicaid regulations and then expanded as the number of regulations governing higher education in general mushroomed.

“With the many regulations and laws that cover institutions of higher education, it is a little too easy for something to fall between the cracks, and this kind of approach is one of the very highly regarded ways to try to avoid that,” she said.

The Ohio State review by the Menlo Park, Calif.-based Protiviti Inc. looked at rules compliance across the university, with an emphasis on athletics, research, student financial aid and the medical center.

Consultants reviewed policies at 23 other universities as well as certain companies while preparing the report. A few had centralized functions, Chatas said. He said the recommendations show that the Ohio State proposal would be one of the more complete efforts in balancing a central function with expertise in each area of the university.

The report also recommends the university ensure that employees are appropriately trained, develop a risk-assessment methodology and monitor risks. Key risks would be subject to consistent monitoring.

A code of ethics would be expanded university-wide and reviewed at least once every five years.

The review came in the wake of the scandal in which football players violated NCAA rules by selling game memorabilia for cash and tattoos. The revelation led to a lengthy NCAA investigation, several player suspensions, the forced resignation of 10-year coach Tressel and quarterback Terrelle Pryor giving up his senior year to jump to the NFL.

Chatas said the university didn’t try to determine if recommended policies would have prevented the infractions in the football program.

“We really were looking forward,” he said.
 

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Sounds like a lot of envy on this board...

I hate Urban Crier as much as the next guy on here...but putting on your makeup and acting like a buncha b*tches because he "steals" recruits is absurd.

Grow some sacks, fellas. Welcome to college football recruiting. And nobody is complianing about Aaron Lynch?....crickets.......

Just my take on stuff like this...

Bielema indicated that some of Urban's tactics might have been illegal. If that's the case, then Wisconsin SHOULD be talking to the commissioner's office. If it's a question of ethics, then running to the cops is probably a little overboard.
 

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ESPN Freebie

Coach Urban Meyer removes scholarships from two Ohio State Buckeyes - ESPN

Pulled athletic scholarships from TE Stoneburner and OT Mewhort

Bummer for Mewhort because he was from Toledo...I think St. John's

I'm all about jamming up Urbie...but these kids pissed on a building...and when cops tried to apprehend them they ran. Um...who here hasn't pissed against a building?

I'd say scholarship suspension is pretty friggin harsh by any standard...

to me its just as bad to do this as it is to look the other way for more serious stuff. Its like now he is going the other way to prove something to everyone else...but lest he forget what his job is, and who this is all about...
 
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ESPN Freebie

Coach Urban Meyer removes scholarships from two Ohio State Buckeyes - ESPN

Pulled athletic scholarships from TE Stoneburner and OT Mewhort

Bummer for Mewhort because he was from Toledo...I think St. John's


I'm all about jamming up Urbie...but these kids pissed on a building...and when cops tried to apprehend them they ran. Um...who here hasn't pissed against a building?

I'd say scholarship suspension is pretty friggin harsh by any standard...

to me its just as bad to do this as it is to look the other way for more serious stuff. Its like now he is going the other way to prove something to everyone else...but lest he forget what his job is, and who this is all about...

Pissing on a building is actually a requirement to graduate from Toledo St. Johns Jesuit High School. It has to happen during senior project, that magical time you perfect life and career skills just prior to graduation. Why else would they let a bunch of seniors out of class in April?

I know because I was in the first SJ class to do a senior project, and we were the first school, anywhere we knew of to do such a project.
 

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when did you graduate?

I graduated in 2001. Not from Start though. I moved after my freshman year to Alabama. But grew up in Toledo. It's still "home" to me. Most of my family still lives in Toledo and my dad lives in Lucky. I used to live around the corner from St. Catherines.
 

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I graduated in 2001. Not from Start though. I moved after my freshman year to Alabama. But grew up in Toledo. It's still "home" to me. Most of my family still lives in Toledo and my dad lives in Lucky. I used to live around the corner from St. Catherines.


ah ok my mom was a german teacher at Start. And I live about 3 miles from Luckey. Small world indeed.
 
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