#3 Notre Dame vs. #1 Kentucky (Elite 8)

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From being at the games last night, it is amazing how long and athletic Kentucky is. ND is going to have to be hitting on all cylinders to win this one. Grant cant play like he did last night. We may have no inside game whatsoever. I do think it is doable. There is just something about this team. I was amazed at the confidence they had last night. It borders on cocky. The blowout was the best thing to happen. Hopefully KY is feeling pretty good about themselves. I may head up again to Cleveland for tomorrow. Is anyone else going?
 

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Yup yup yup.

This game is all about NDs accuracy on the perimeter. They have the weapons it just depends on how hot they get towards the end of the game.

I think it would be best if the game plays out exactly like the Wichita State game.

If ND can start out extremely hot and get some cushion, and then weather the storm when they stop hitting everything, they might be able to keep UK from running away. Then, if they can get hot again midway through the second half, they'll have a chance to put themselves in the driver's seat heading into crunch time.

The problem is getting hot and actually putting a run together though. Kentucky has so many freaks that they don't often go stagnant. Even if ND is hitting everything, Kentucky will have someone capable of answering, preventing a true scoring run.

BUT, if ND can get into the last 5 minutes of the game within striking distance, I'll like their chances. UK has only faced true adversity a few times this season, and none of those instances were against teams with the killer instinct that ND appears to have.

(I fear I may be getting my hopes up now, dammit. UK has the potential to beat literally any team in the country by 30 points if they put it all together, much like last night.)
 

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Oh man, this x100000000.

Northern Kentucky has been unbearable for just about the entire season. It's getting so much worse at such a fast rate as they approach the natty.

If ND could somehow pull the upset, I would literally ride that for the rest of my life against my friends.

I just don't think it will happen.

ND will need to play as physical as UC did, UK will have to shoot poorly, and ND will need to be on fire from 3 for the duration of the game.

One of the best things about this ND team is that when they go cold or get into a funk, they have Grant, Jackson, and Connaughton (or even Vasturia) who can drive to the rack and break the slump with an athletic play to jumpstart things... but it's just not possible to do that against UK haha. Every shot that goes up inside, there are 6-8 arms all in proper position to block the shot. It's unreal.

ND will need Grant and Jackson to drive effectively with the intent not to score, but to dish it to the perimeter when UK's bigs all collapse, or to dish it to Connaughton on an effective backside cut. Otherwise, it's gonna be a defensive block party for UK.

The good thing is that Notre Dame is probably the best team in the country at doing this. It is what makes their offense so damn good
 

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There is also one thing ND has that UK doesn't, and that is senior leadership. Words can't describe how important senior leadership is during the tournament
 

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The formula to winning will be hitting 10+ 3s, getting their big men in foul trouble, and rebounding on defense. Everyone needs to play nearly perfect, and Kentucky has to be a little off.
 

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I fly for the UK in a couple hours. Does CBS stream the games online??
 

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People (not here) claiming UK will blow us out...its one thing to say we lose, but we will only get blown out if we play poorly (e.g. against Duke in Cameron).
 

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People (not here) claiming UK will blow us out...its one thing to say we lose, but we will only get blown out if we play poorly (e.g. against Duke in Cameron).

Eh, I would disagree. Kentucky really is that good. If they play their best game it's incredibly difficult to not get blown out.
 

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Another thought that if we can keep it close KY may tighten up. They are so talented but so young. All the pressure is on Ky at this point.
 
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People (not here) claiming UK will blow us out...its one thing to say we lose, but we will only get blown out if we play poorly (e.g. against Duke in Cameron).

They have very little drop off in talent between their first 5 and their second 5 and that is saying a lot. ND goes only 7 deep and only temporarily.

ND is going to have a difficult time inisde. They just dont have the bodies to match up down low. Things going in NDs favor are their ability to move the ball quickly, their efficiency and play at a high tempo. If they go cold though, the game will get out of hand quickly.

IDK if you watched WVU last night but the first half was hard to watch. Kentucky's defense down low was ridiculous.
 

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Agree would be the biggest win in schools history.

This team has the athleticism to hang with Kentucky, but just doesn't have the size. Only hope for Notre Dame is to out score Kentucky in a shoutout and hope Kentucky has an off night.

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Agree with this. Only chance we have to win is if we score more points than them.

The formula to winning will be hitting 10+ 3s, getting their big men in foul trouble, and rebounding on defense. Everyone needs to play nearly perfect, and Kentucky has to be a little off.

Agree with points #1 and #3. We have to be money from beyond the arc and can't give them second chances on offense. I'm not sure I agree with #2 though. Don't they have a lot of length on the bench? Would be nice to get them in foul trouble for the sake of outscoring them at the foul line but we'll be at a size disadvantage whether their starters are in or not.

Regardless, we have a chance. I just hope it's competitive. I love watching this team play and last night's game vs. WVU was brutal to watch. Not the way our seniors deserve to go out.
 

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So Brey has talked multiple times about how when we go small other teams always match us and take out their bigs. Kentucky is obviously huge but are they quick enough? Will we be able to push some transition, get steals, wrap them up and pressure them? Who handles the ball for them?

Just looking for some rays of sunshine.
 

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So Brey has talked multiple times about how when we go small other teams always match us and take out their bigs. Kentucky is obviously huge but are they quick enough? Will we be able to push some transition, get steals, wrap them up and pressure them? Who handles the ball for them?

Just looking for some rays of sunshine.
From what I can tell, it's not just that their huge guys are huge. Their quick guys are also huge.
 

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The three pointer has to hit a > 40% clip if we are going to pull the upset. And we have to shoot at least 25 threes, and that's on the low side. There are two aspects to this game: outside shooting and foul trouble. If we can get them in foul trouble with continuous shot fakes/pump fakes and we are hitting the outside shot, then ND has a chance.

Got to take their ball handler out of the game and get some of their bigs in foul trouble. This coming from a very inexperienced analyst.
 

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So Brey has talked multiple times about how when we go small other teams always match us and take out their bigs. Kentucky is obviously huge but are they quick enough? Will we be able to push some transition, get steals, wrap them up and pressure them? Who handles the ball for them?

Just looking for some rays of sunshine.

UK has two huge X factors in Willie Cauley Stein and Trey Lyles. 6'10 and 7', both can guard guards. They literally allow WCS to cover any player on the court with switching. WCS moves incredibly well and he's quick.

Handling the ball they play 2-3 guards as necessary with 2 PGs at times (Ulis and Harrison). Trey Lyles, again, can handle the ball giving them a big out if they get trapped.
 

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UK has two huge X factors in Willie Cauley Stein and Trey Lyles. 6'10 and 7', both can guard guards. They literally allow WCS to cover any player on the court with switching. WCS moves incredibly well and he's quick.

Handling the ball they play 2-3 guards as necessary with 2 PGs at times (Ulis and Harrison). Trey Lyles, again, can handle the ball giving them a big out if they get trapped.

Translation - have plenty of booze on hand, you are going to need it.
 

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Translation - have plenty of booze on hand, you are going to need it.

One of the biggest things, IMO, will be Colson and Auguste staying out of foul trouble. UK will rotate 5 guys 6'10 or above. Losing one of those two would real bad tomorow. ND will have to shoot like they did in the second half of the Wichita game.
 

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Fox Sports' Stewart Mandel just published an article titled "Sweet 16 takeaways: Kentucky's easy road has hit a dead end":

Thursday’s quartet of Sweet 16 games involved no upsets. If anything, it was the exact opposite: a night spent watching some of the best teams in the country this season do their thing (some in more dominant fashion than others). Saturday’s resulting Wisconsin-Arizona and Kentucky-Notre Dame Elite Eight matchups should be outstanding. But first, here’s what we learned Thursday night.

Kentucky will finally face a real test Saturday. Seriously. John Calipari’s now 37-0 juggernaut treated West Virginia like a No. 16 seed Thursday, going up 18-2 off the bat and 42-15 late in the first half. By the end of the Wildcats’ 78-39 rout, the Mountaineers had the same number of made field goals (13) as turnovers. Ouch. Kentucky’s first three tourney foes, Hampton, Cincinnati and West Virginia, have averaged just 48.7 points. That’s ridiculous.

In Saturday’s Elite Eight game in Cleveland, though, Kentucky will meet the best team it’s faced all season in 32-5 Notre Dame. The closest comparison would be mid-December foe North Carolina, but the Irish are better than the Tar Heels at the one thing a team will need to excel at to have any hope against the Wildcats -- 3-point shooting. Notre Dame ranks second nationally in effective field goal percentage (58.5) thanks in part to its 39.2 percent outside shooting. Of course, whether the Irish can actually defend towers like Karl-Anthony Towns and Willie Cauley-Stein with just one regular contributor taller than 6-8 is another story.

Speaking of Notre Dame …

Mike Brey’s offense is a thing of beauty. The Irish are headed to their first Elite Eight since 1979 on the strength of an ultra-efficient half-court offense, one that even defensively stout Wichita State had no answer for in the second half of an 81-70 Notre Dame victory.

Over one particularly spectacular four-plus-minute stretch, the Irish broke open a 56-48 game by making seven of eight shots, featuring half-court sets that led to dunks, layups and threes, and all set up by assists. Jerian Grant’s 11 assists included four during this stretch alone, including a no-look dart to Zach Auguste for a layup. Steve Vasturia’s backdoor pass for a Pat Connaughton layup and Auguste’s alley-oop to Demetrius Jackson were nifty, too. With the win, Notre Dame improved to 8-1 on the season against the Sweet 16 field. The Irish are not an elite defensive team by any means, but only Wisconsin and Duke field comparable offenses.
 

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Kentucky knows the 3 ball can keep this game within striking distance for ND. IMO I see KY pressuring the perimeter and opening up the middle for ND. I think Jackson and Grant can take this game to the basket and force some 2 on 1 in the paint for easy lay ups or getting to the line. KY will then have to drift back to the middle and thats when the 3's start opening up.
 

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UK's dismantling of WVU is disheartening, but could work out in ND's favor. There is literally zero pressure from a media/fan base standpoint now, for most are expecting a bloodbath, and like some have already said, this is the quintessential "playing with house money" game. I hope the players go into tomorrow expecting to win, but without the weight of the world on their shoulders.
 

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One game to think about here is the UConn/Florida game in the Final Four last year. UConn (1) was a 6.5 pt underdog; (2) Did not score for the first 3:55; (3) was trailing 16-4 after with 9:46 left in the first half. They survived the initial blast. If this is how the game starts tomorrow, just survive the blast.
 

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Kentucky knows the 3 ball can keep this game within striking distance for ND. IMO I see KY pressuring the perimeter and opening up the middle for ND. I think Jackson and Grant can take this game to the basket and force some 2 on 1 in the paint for easy lay ups or getting to the line. KY will then have to drift back to the middle and thats when the 3's start opening up.

Don't see it. UK may pressure, but they'll leave one or two bigs down low. Pat C & Steve V will need to be raining 3's to pull the bigs out from the bucket. Play pick and roll to pull the last big out and hope we can get some "give and go" buckets like last night.

All we need is 1 more point than them.
 
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