'14 MI DE Jhonathon Williams (Pending Transfer)

[woolybug25]

Not sure this is the case anymore. When you were in school Berrien Springs was in the Lakeland Conference but they are in the Wolverine conference now with bigger, more talented teams like Paw Paw, Plainwell, Otsego, Vicksburg, Three Rivers, etc

The Lakeland conference is a joke. Seriously... Three Rivers? Paw Paw? My buddy is the former athletic director and I am well aware of the talent level of this conference. It is pretty much the lowest level of high school football. For instance, none of the schools you listed even have tryouts for the team.

Competition is pretty overrated as a determining factor in my opinion. Yes, it's nice when the players dominate at larger schools and whatnot, but physical ability is physical ability no matter where you are.

While there is certainly an advantage to playing against better competition, I would argue that it only makes a prospect further along in the learning curve, but as we all know "projects" happen from big schools and little schools..

I agree that size and speed are something that you can see against any competition, but how does competition not effect the evaluation of a kids play awareneness, technique and football IQ when the teams he faced run vanilla offenses, have terrible technique and are vastly smaller than him? Why have camps at all if that's the case? The fact remains that there is zero tape on this kid facing a complex blocking scheme, adjusting to an audible or facing a similar sized prospect with solid fundamentals.

I could watch a 6'6" boxer beat the hell out of a 190 pound bean pole, but that will give me little insight on how he would perform against the top heavyweight.

All that being said, I like this kid. I like his energy, his size and motor. He is raw as hell and doesn't know anything about defensive scheme, but you cant teach the tools he has. Plus he's local. So no drama.

 

[PANDFAN]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p><a href="https://twitter.com/search?q=%23Michigan&src=hash">#Michigan</a> could have recently offered DE and <a href="https://twitter.com/search?q=%23Mizzou&src=hash">#Mizzou</a> commit Jhonny Williams (<a href="https://twitter.com/Jhonny_willl">@Jhonny_willl</a>) on campus soon: <a href="http://t.co/8kD6Dvey7B">http://t.co/8kD6Dvey7B</a></p>— Steve Wiltfong (@SWiltfong247) <a href="https://twitter.com/SWiltfong247/statuses/403149232913530880">November 20, 2013</a></blockquote>
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[Luckylucci]

Williams told Wiltfong that it's a strong possibility that he visits Michigan. Also said that he's feeling this out still. Nobody seems to know whether his visit this weekend to ND is an official or unofficial. I's like to see it be an unofficial and maybe get him on campus for the banquet again.

 

[Irish#1]

Official or not, get him on campus and hook him up with Jaylon and Big Lou to seal the deal.

 

[rikkitikki08]

His highlight video is impressive no doubt but his competition is pretty terrible. Although did anyone see the blindside block he had on that poor kid on the punt return? I literally said " holy ****"

 

[IRISHMAN]

Surprised MSU hasn't offered. This seems like the type of player that they are usually all over.

I was thinking the same thing, normally the type of player MSU makes a living at.

 

[dublinirish]

I was thinking the same thing, normally the type of player MSU makes a living at.

they are going after Renell Wren from Missouri

Renell Wren - Yahoo! Sports

 

[PANDFAN]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>2014 Michigan DE Jhonny Williams (<a href="https://twitter.com/Jhonny_willl">@Jhonny_willl</a>) is excited to check out <a href="https://twitter.com/search?q=%23NotreDame&src=hash">#NotreDame</a> this weekend. (Premium) <a href="http://t.co/0nzKCmGOIX">http://t.co/0nzKCmGOIX</a></p>— Irish Sports Daily (@ISDUpdate) <a href="https://twitter.com/ISDUpdate/statuses/403189852155301888">November 20, 2013</a></blockquote>
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[connor_in]

I was thinking the same thing, normally the type of player MSU makes a living at.

Kinda interesting that with what they are cranking out defensively up there, that they haven't started to get more looks from some higher ranked players. They seem to be putting some guys into the NFL now so it would make you think guys might want to go there and be the next Gholson, Calhoun, Dennard, etc. Its not like the Bullough family can keep having kids and pumping them into the school. They've had generations of them and have 2 now.

Also, while MSU may not be allowing SEC type academic problems in, they are not exactly requiring ND/Stanford stats either.

 

[ThePiombino]

Kinda interesting that with what they are cranking out defensively up there, that they haven't started to get more looks from some higher ranked players. They seem to be putting some guys into the NFL now so it would make you think guys might want to go there and be the next Gholson, Calhoun, Dennard, etc. Its not like the Bullough family can keep having kids and pumping them into the school. They've had generations of them and have 2 now.

Also, while MSU may not be allowing SEC type academic problems in, they are not exactly requiring ND/Stanford stats either.

I just don't think MSU is perceived as an "elite" program to a lot of these kids. Couple that with a lot of the geographic "issues" that ND deals with and you get..well...MSU.

 

[Luckylucci]

It's officially an official visit this weekend.

 

[stlnd01]

Kinda interesting that with what they are cranking out defensively up there, that they haven't started to get more looks from some higher ranked players. They seem to be putting some guys into the NFL now so it would make you think guys might want to go there and be the next Gholson, Calhoun, Dennard, etc. Its not like the Bullough family can keep having kids and pumping them into the school. They've had generations of them and have 2 now.

Also, while MSU may not be allowing SEC type academic problems in, they are not exactly requiring ND/Stanford stats either.

It's funny, but aside from Michigan and Ohio State, no one in the Big Ten seems to recruit at a high level. Penn State gets some top-tier kids, but rarely from outside their traditional Penn/NJ/NY footprint. Nebraska's no better. Wiscy and MSU put good teams on the field but rarely land elite recruits. And the rest of them, forget it.

 

[dublinirish]

the Mizzou Fister is putting in work:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p><a href="https://twitter.com/Jhonny_willl">@Jhonny_willl</a> have fun in ND just make sure to get to a TV at 645 to watch <a href="https://twitter.com/search?q=%23Mizzou&src=hash">#Mizzou</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/search?q=%23olemiss&src=hash">#olemiss</a></p>— C.T. Dolan (@CTDolan58) <a href="https://twitter.com/CTDolan58/statuses/403539696514383872">November 21, 2013</a></blockquote>
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[Luckylucci]

Per TV, we've shown him a lot of love since we extended the offer. According to his coach ND is very much in the mix. Williams is very excited about the visit and offer. Really liked everything about Missouri but who knows what happens with his ND visit.

 

[ryno 24]

Is he a 3-4 DE in the mold of a rusher, or is he outside backer.

 

[Luckylucci]

Is he a 3-4 DE in the mold of a rusher, or is he outside backer.

3-4 DE

 

[ryno 24]

I like that a lot I like fast tall guys who can put on 50-60 pounds. Still pretty athletic, but then could handle their own.

Also, who are the 3-4 ends and who are the cats in this class.

From what I understand 3-4 ends are: Blankenship, Hayes, Trumbetti

Cats are: Yeargin, Bonner

 

[arrowryan]

I like that a lot I like fast tall guys who can put on 50-60 pounds. Still pretty athletic, but then could handle their own.

Also, who are the 3-4 ends and who are the cats in this class.

From what I understand 3-4 ends are: Blankenship, Hayes, Trumbetti

Cats are: Yeargin, Bonner

Bonner is already at the 245 range. By the time he is ready to play, he will be a DE IMO.

I agree with you that Blankenship, Hayes, and Trumbetti DEs

I think Yeargin is someone that can move around and doesn't have a set position

If Kollin Hill commits, it sounds like he will be an OLB. Depending on what Nyles Morgan does, I think Tranquill could be an OLB as well

 

[CanadalovesND]

Bonner is already at the 245 range. By the time he is ready to play, he will be a DE IMO.

I agree with you that Blankenship, Hayes, and Trumbetti DEs

If Kollin Hill commits, it sounds like he will be an OLB. Depending on what Nyles Morgan does, I think Tranquill could be an OLB as well

In my mind, here's who I break it down:

DL

Blankenship- 6'6'' 252, 3-4 DE

Bonner- 6'4'' 245, could start out at LB, most likely CAT, but can easily bulk up to 3-4 DE

Dickerson- 6'5'' 275, is being viewed as a possible NT, but also can play 3-4 DE

Hayes- 6'5'' 275, viewed as a 3-4 DE, but his body type could let him develop into a NT

Trumbetti- 6'5'' 250, will probably start out at CAT, but can definitely add weight to frame 3-4

LB

Martini- 6'3'' 235, ILB all the way

Richard Yeargin- 6'4'' 225, being viewed as a long term CAT, but could also play ILB

Drue Tranquill- 6'2'' 215, could grow into LB, but may also stay as a S


Potential additions:

Elam- 6'6'' 360, NT obviously.

Hill- 6'2'' 225, being looked at as a CAT, with the depth on DL we're bringing in, doubt they'll bulk him up to play DE

Holley: 6'4'' 285-300, long term NT prospect

Morgan- 6'2'' 230, ILB all the way

Sykes- 6'2'' 225, staff told him they view him as a Manti Te'o type, not in ability, but position

J.Williams- 6'6'' 240, lean athletic frame, perfect length to grow into a 3-4 DE

 

[Emcee77]

Blankenship is another guy, like Trumbetti, who has the athleticism to play LB or at least start there, although I agree that he will end up a DL.

Even Wiltfong seems surprised we keep going after CAT types. He said something on the BGI board like "who knows where all these cats will end up."

 

[CanadalovesND]

Blankenship is another guy, like Trumbetti, who has the athleticism to play LB or at least start there, although I agree that he will end up a DL.

Even Wiltfong seems surprised we keep going after CAT types. He said something on the BGI board like "who knows where all these cats will end up."

Me too. Too many times I have read that the staff views a certain prospect as a CAT.

I mean, how many freakin' CATs do we need?!?!?

 

[m-araim]

CAT/DOG

CAT/DOG

I apologize for lack of knowledge, what CAT and DOG stand for?

 

[Emcee77]

I apologize for lack of knowledge, what CAT and DOG stand for?

CAT is the term ND uses for the rush outside linebacker (Shembo and Ishaq). DOG is the term for the drop outside linebacker (Jaylon and Councell).

I'm not sure why we capitalize them; they aren't acronyms. I guess it just makes posts easier to read because it emphasizes that we aren't referring to a literal cat or dog.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

I apologize for lack of knowledge, what CAT and DOG stand for?

The Cat LB is a Rush Outside Linebacker. Typically lines up to the short side of the field. When we go to a 4-man front, he's the one who walks up and puts his hand on the ground. As with all 3-4 OLBs, he has to be able to cover, rush the passer and set the edge, but the Cat's emphasis is on the latter two responsibilities.

The Dog LB is a Drop Outside Linebacker. Typically plays on the wide-side of the field. He's frequently lined up over a TE or a slot WR. As with all 3-4 OLBs, he has to be able to cover, set the edge and rush the passer, but the Dog's emphasis on the former two responsibilities.

 

[dwshade]

I see Tranquill as a LB/S hybrid to be used in a variety of ways.

 

[Buster Bluth]

I see Tranquill as a LB/S hybrid to be used in a variety of ways.

A nickle back?

I can't think of a LB/S hybrid, ever.

 

[PANDFAN]

A nickle back?

I can't think of a LB/S hybrid, ever.

guessing he is meaning the "Star position" slaughter played on certain teams to be more athletic on spread and option teams

 

[Cackalacky]

A nickle back?

I can't think of a LB/S hybrid, ever.

Maybe like Polamalu? Extra man in the box who is a safety. A lot of NFL teams who played a 4-6 had safeties who could be an extra LB at times.

 

[PANDFAN]

A nickle back?

I can't think of a LB/S hybrid, ever.

it is trending more and more due to dynamic hybrid TE's who are athletic

More recent is the rise of the true hybrid safety/linebacker, players seemingly designed to provide answers for players like Gronkowski and Graham. This is the next logical step from Johnson's method for building Miami and the Cowboys. Instead of taking high school safeties and making them linebackers, coaches are taking athletes who can hit and play pass coverage, and simply letting them make plays. That means everything from blitzing the quarterback or stuffing a running back in the backfield to running step-for-step with a tight end or slot receiver. NFL coaches have begun referring to this as their "big nickel" package, which is a bit misleading because "nickel" is a term invented to describe some smaller part of a team's overall defensive game plan. The reality is that just as NFL offenses rarely line up with two true running backs, NFL defenses rarely line up with three true linebackers. Ed Reed and Troy Polamalu were the two best safeties of the last decade or so, but their successors — in body type, athleticism, and playmaking ability — may not play safety at all. Regardless of the position at which he's listed, he'll likely be a linebacker in a safety's body.

 

[Irish#1]

it is trending more and more due to dynamic hybrid TE's who are athletic

More recent is the rise of the true hybrid safety/linebacker, players seemingly designed to provide answers for players like Gronkowski and Graham. This is the next logical step from Johnson's method for building Miami and the Cowboys. Instead of taking high school safeties and making them linebackers, coaches are taking athletes who can hit and play pass coverage, and simply letting them make plays. That means everything from blitzing the quarterback or stuffing a running back in the backfield to running step-for-step with a tight end or slot receiver. NFL coaches have begun referring to this as their "big nickel" package, which is a bit misleading because "nickel" is a term invented to describe some smaller part of a team's overall defensive game plan. The reality is that just as NFL offenses rarely line up with two true running backs, NFL defenses rarely line up with three true linebackers. Ed Reed and Troy Polamalu were the two best safeties of the last decade or so, but their successors — in body type, athleticism, and playmaking ability — may not play safety at all. Regardless of the position at which he's listed, he'll likely be a linebacker in a safety's body.

And the availability of those type guys is way more than the traditional big DE.