'23 MI QB Dante Moore (Greek Spaghetti Transfer)

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I agree with this logic. IMO believing that elite talent will change their minds about ND if DM commits in April, is a sunk cost as the truly elite guys are already in the end stages. Like if this swayed both Inniss and Tate to ND, then yeah it would be defcon 1 to get DM to commit.

I hope to god that I'm wrong, and also that this is all a long con to setup a surprise commitment.



Braiden McGregor comes to mind... that one is still bitter.

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Besides Tate, which recruit would a Dante commit possibly materially impact? Gallagher seems like a heavy PSU lean, and Greathouse is from Texas. Is there a WR that would suddenly be interested if Dante committed today? Would it impact Proctor? Probably not as it seems like it's all Iowa.

Unless it stops Keeley from taking visits, I don't know how much a needle mover it would be on direct impacts.
We aren’t recruiting Proctor, FWIW.

I don’t think WRs will just come out of the woodworks and say I want to play with Dante Moore. It also won’t be the main factor for anyone. But it can certainly help. Does PSU hang onto Kaden Saunders without Drew Allar? Potentially not. It is a decent counter to any negative recruiting on the offense could be the biggest benefit to recruiting WRs.
 

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There isn't going to be any early public Dante Moore verbal given his recent comments. Supposed to be back on campus for the B&G game. If the goal was to quiet some of the too rampant online speculation from the IB nation affiliated platforms in particular and put some drama back his moment than mission accomplished.
 

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There isn't going to be any early public Dante Moore verbal given his recent comments. Supposed to be back on campus for the B&G game. If the goal was to quiet some of the too rampant online speculation from the IB nation affiliated platforms in particular and put some drama back his moment than mission accomplished.
Where are you seeing he is going to be back on campus for BG game? I had not seen that anywhere but am def hoping it is true.
 

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We need to get a IE NIL together for this one... I bet if all the regs go in on it we can pool together at least 200, 300 bucks...
What IE needs to do is have a player Auction Forum where players sign jerseys and then have someone handle the auction part. IE takes 10%, players get 90%, members get merch!!!
 
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Wait til this happens and all hell will break loose on here:

Rees gets a head coaching or NFL OC gig and then we worry about all offensive recruits, especially QB.
Yeah because Rees has a great history recruiting QB. He is a myth.
 

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Rees is popular with recruits. That much is true. I just don't believe football recruits are that tied to an assistant coach. More prevalent in basketball. But it would be another Wailing Wall for ND fans who seem addicted to the negative.
 

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Moore and Manning were the first QBs in this class to be offered. Now that Kelly is gone, I want to see what Freeman and Rees are able to do both on the field and on the recruiting trail as far as offense goes. It's a clean slate as far as I'm concerned.

They've seemingly gone all in on Moore, but I'm sure there is some kind of parachute plan in place for 2023 in additiont to whatever groundwork is being laid in 2024 regarding landing a QB.

I want Moore's signature in December as opposed to a verbal in April. I'm into the end game > early gratification.
 

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Moore and Manning were the first QBs in this class to be offered. Now that Kelly is gone, I want to see what Freeman and Rees are able to do both on the field and on the recruiting trail as far as offense goes. It's a clean slate as far as I'm concerned.

They've seemingly gone all in on Moore, but I'm sure there is some kind of parachute plan in place for 2023 in additiont to whatever groundwork is being laid in 2024 regarding landing a QB.

I want Moore's signature in December as opposed to a verbal in April. I'm into the end game > early gratification.
I think most would agree, but the counterpoint is also valid that a lot of recruiting is about momentum too. These kids are all interconnected on social media and talk to each other on visits and camp circuits. Landing big time commitments builds and keeps momentum and builds legitimacy around belief in the program and what you are selling to other top end recruits. It is not the end all, but it does matter.
 

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Either Freeman/Rees are getting played, or Moore is a silent that is trying to maximize his NIL money before publicly committing and everyone is in on that plan. It's not really plausible that they're just rolling the dice for the sake of being over-confident gamblers because they were absolutely willing to take a commitment from Jackson Arnold and others early in the cycle if they had wanted to come.

I like to think it's the latter of the first two options, but you never know.
 

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Either Freeman/Rees are getting played, or Moore is a silent that is trying to maximize his NIL money before publicly committing and everyone is in on that plan. It's not really plausible that they're just rolling the dice for the sake of being over-confident gamblers because they were absolutely willing to take a commitment from Jackson Arnold and others early in the cycle if they had wanted to come.

I like to think it's the latter of the first two options, but you never know.

Which were the others earlier in the cycle? Dorman (but he never got an offer)?
 

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Either Freeman/Rees are getting played, or Moore is a silent that is trying to maximize his NIL money before publicly committing and everyone is in on that plan. It's not really plausible that they're just rolling the dice for the sake of being over-confident gamblers because they were absolutely willing to take a commitment from Jackson Arnold and others early in the cycle if they had wanted to come.

I like to think it's the latter of the first two options, but you never know.
The latter option sounds like Sounds Freeman and Rees are contestants on the Bachelorette.
 

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Either Freeman/Rees are getting played, or Moore is a silent that is trying to maximize his NIL money before publicly committing and everyone is in on that plan. It's not really plausible that they're just rolling the dice for the sake of being over-confident gamblers because they were absolutely willing to take a commitment from Jackson Arnold and others early in the cycle if they had wanted to come.

I like to think it's the latter of the first two options, but you never know.
A similar thought crossed my mind as well that Dante has possibly given his commitment but he still wants to experience some other official visits since this will be his only opportunity to have that experience. This would also give him the ability to increase his NIL value. The public commitment would, in addition, make the win for ND look even bigger in the end. I’ll be optimistic this is the case but obviously, it’s a total guess.
 

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It crossed my mind that maybe ND has gotten him to agree but maybe not put to pen a NIL deal we worked with him on, which would explain the abundance of confidence. That is unrealistic/wishful thinking but would be the best development possible.
 

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Could you imagine if Moore suddenly looks to comitt elsewhere and Freeman and Co come out with some multi million dollar NIL package to bring him to ND??

I'd wet myself.
 

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Either Freeman/Rees are getting played, or Moore is a silent that is trying to maximize his NIL money before publicly committing and everyone is in on that plan. It's not really plausible that they're just rolling the dice for the sake of being over-confident gamblers because they were absolutely willing to take a commitment from Jackson Arnold and others early in the cycle if they had wanted to come.

I like to think it's the latter of the first two options, but you never know.
He has to be committed at this point. 247 and ISD continue to pump out a ton of material on Dante. Even Loy is blunt on his confidence with this kid
 

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I think most would agree, but the counterpoint is also valid that a lot of recruiting is about momentum too. These kids are all interconnected on social media and talk to each other on visits and camp circuits. Landing big time commitments builds and keeps momentum and builds legitimacy around belief in the program and what you are selling to other top end recruits. It is not the end all, but it does matter.
I don't understand how recruiting, a job and process that never actually stops, garners "momentum." It's made up pundit speak for me. The word itself is overused in sports as it is. These coaches are recruiting year round, non stop, as far down to freshmen and eighth graders. Back in the day, Mack Brown used to offer a bunch of kids and they'd all verbal. Texas would essentially be done with their class by summer. You'd have the late closer programs like Poodle's SC and Bowden's FSU that would sign guys into January and February. So what's better?

Again, I ask, if Moore verbals today but doesn't actually sign in December how is momentum now better for the program than the end result of the player never coming at all? I just don't get what we're saying here. Sure, all these guys talk and know each other, but are you going to make such a major decision with a large percentage being based on what a guy a few states over is doing? There has to be some individuality to the process left where WR are going to have to decide if they want to be at Notre Dame, or anywhere else for that matter, if a certain QB is not. I'd put good money on ND signing Moore but not Tate in the end. To be honest, I'm skeptical of a player who would want to sign at a school simply because another player did. If that's the overriding reason for a commitment, knowing we are in the age of the transfer portal, good luck with that.

Jimmy Clausen was supposed to generate recruiting momentum. The immediate momentum generated was Mike Ragone and Steve Paskorz.
 

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Could you imagine if Moore suddenly looks to comitt elsewhere and Freeman and Co come out with some multi million dollar NIL package to bring him to ND??

I'd wet myself.
I'd vote to stay with Under Armor if they pulled something like this...that's how bad I want him, personally. lol
 

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Either Freeman/Rees are getting played, or Moore is a silent that is trying to maximize his NIL money before publicly committing and everyone is in on that plan. It's not really plausible that they're just rolling the dice for the sake of being over-confident gamblers because they were absolutely willing to take a commitment from Jackson Arnold and others early in the cycle if they had wanted to come.

I like to think it's the latter of the first two options, but you never know.
something sure as fuck is going on. I refuse to believe they've put all their eggs in this basket without knowing Dante's camp told them he is coming. That said, these officials going on and into the fall CAN'T make them feel good. Shit can change in a hurry at those SEC schools.

Anyone know if they in fact tried to get CV to visit recently? I know that was reported but never confirmed. I haven't heard that they have even reached out to anyone else, so who the fuck knows.

Also, people on here saying "It doesn't matter when he commits', as long as he does" That's BS. WR seems to be cooling down quite a bit. I know we're getting James, but we need much much more than that. Dante needs in sooner than later.
 

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It crossed my mind that maybe ND has gotten him to agree but maybe not put to pen a NIL deal we worked with him on, which would explain the abundance of confidence. That is unrealistic/wishful thinking but would be the best development possible.
On ISD power hour Monday Mike Frank and company were actually fairly confident with his commitment and that ND, because he is such an program changing recruit, will put together an NIL package that will be at market value. Frank is very pessimistic mostly so I was encouraged by that news if he was even saying ND was going to compete at least for this recruit with NIL
 

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And market value is all nice and well until he steps foot I. College station and they are above market
 

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something sure as fuck is going on. I refuse to believe they've put all their eggs in this basket without knowing Dante's camp told them he is coming. That said, these officials going on and into the fall CAN'T make them feel good. Shit can change in a hurry at those SEC schools.

Anyone know if they in fact tried to get CV to visit recently? I know that was reported but never confirmed. I haven't heard that they have even reached out to anyone else, so who the fuck knows.

Also, people on here saying "It doesn't matter when he commits', as long as he does" That's BS. WR seems to be cooling down quite a bit. I know we're getting James, but we need much much more than that. Dante needs in sooner than later.
I don't think it's a yuge detriment if he waits until summer to make his decision. He's still got 5 months to text two or three WR's a bunch of times. Committing in April vs committing in July isn't going to make or break the current board for skill players, imo.

HOWEVER. If he gets through officials and still isn't confident enough to shut it down... that's obviously a huge problem.
 

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On ISD power hour Monday Mike Frank and company were actually fairly confident with his commitment and that ND, because he is such an program changing recruit, will put together an NIL package that will be at market value. Frank is very pessimistic mostly so I was encouraged by that news if he was even saying ND was going to compete at least for this recruit with NIL
2 things on that....

1) If you would have told my 2018 self that "ND recruiting" and "financial package" would be used jointly, I would have assumed you would be talking about summer school tuition. CFB is freaking nuts, and not in a good way.

2) What the hell is market value anyway? Is there some super secret spreadsheet that tabulates future football success and imperfect recruiting rankings, along with bragging rights for select boosters? I say that sarcastically, but using terms like that right now is just crazy to me. There is no way to value this other than what someone is willing to pay. This just proves how imbalanced of a country we live in where some rich boosters are now as important, or even more important, than the staff or university. Again, nuts.
 
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