'23 MI QB Dante Moore (Greek Spaghetti Transfer)

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The fact that everytime they talk about Michigan everything is so scheduled on communication, phone calls set up days in advance and Harbaugh should be able to contact him after the spring is LOL funny compared to daily communication with Bowden and Rees about whatever and constant communication with Freeman.
 

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This is only going to escalate. Every year will be free agency. Getting someone in year 1 won’t guarantee that they stay. They will take to the transfer portal to get more money, or hold out until the current team ups their offer.

If this doesn’t get fixed, it will destroy college football and basketball. The talent differential between the top Power 5 teams and everyone else will get even larger.

One way to possibly fix this will be to implement a reasonable team or school wide cap. That will at least spread out the talent.
I think having a pool of NIL money provided by sponsors that is spread out evenly among all players is the right way to go. Five years ago the issue was that these guys are not being treated fairly. Today, freshman who haven’t played a snap of college ball are making more than their position coaches. And a marginal player gets almost no benefit from NIL. This isn’t even allowed, directly in the pros, where salary caps blunt the effects. All the best players will go to the highest bidder with noting like a draft to try to level talent. If unchecked it will ruin college football.
 

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@Irish4life welp, our plan B is about to commit elsewhere. Still like where we are with the position this cycle?

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@Irish4life welp, our plan B is about to commit elsewhere. Still like where we are with the position this cycle?

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I will like where we are at the QB position until or unless Dante Moore commits and it's not ND. And/or when the ND beat starts to tell us that Moore isn't a (at worst) HEAVY ND lean.
 

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I will like where we are at the QB position until or unless Dante Moore commits and it's not ND. And/or when the ND beat starts to tell us that Moore isn't a HEAVY ND lean.
Fair enough.

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I just don't like the position the staff put us in. From everything I'm hearing the staff thought Moore would be locked up before the end of April that isn't sounding like the case anymore. If he isn't in this class then it will be a huge huge fail on this staff by all measures. They better hope he ends up coming.
 

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I just don't like the position the staff put us in. From everything I'm hearing the staff thought Moore would be locked up before the end of April that isn't sounding like the case anymore. If he isn't in this class then it will be a huge huge fail on this staff by all measures. They better hope he ends up coming.
the worst part about most of this is that its really not anything different than the moore's have said publicly. NOW, we obviously dont know what they told Rees/Freeman etc.

So hopefully this isnt just a bad case of Tommy/Marcus blindly thinking they could get Moore to change his timeline.
 

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So hopefully this isnt just a bad case of Tommy/Marcus blindly thinking they could get Moore to change his timeline.
I hesitate to think that's it's this simple. I doubt it's blind -- I'm sure it's based on feedback from Moore and/or his handlers. But in any case, until a kid goes public, you have to assume he's not coming here. You just have to, especially at the QB position. It's too damned important to continually strike out on. At this point, if we miss on Moore, two things HAVE TO happen with zero margin for error in order for ND to compete for a natty -- both:
  1. Buchner HAS TO be what we all hope he is -- and not only that, he HAS TO stay healthy for two years minimum.
  2. ND HAS TO land an elite '24 QB (Sayin')
Now maybe not landing Moore helps us with #2, but that's not a guarantee and even if it does, we can't put our eggs in the basket of a current HS sophomore. I know that Rees is a Wunderkind in the industry and all, but at a certain point we have to seriously question his ability to recruit the position.
 

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I hesitate to think that's it's this simple. I doubt it's blind -- I'm sure it's based on feedback from Moore and/or his handlers. But in any case, until a kid goes public, you have to assume he's not coming here. You just have to, especially at the QB position. It's too damned important to continually strike out on. At this point, if we miss on Moore, two things HAVE TO happen with zero margin for error in order for ND to compete for a natty -- both:
  1. Buchner HAS TO be what we all hope he is -- and not only that, he HAS TO stay healthy for two years minimum.
  2. ND HAS TO land an elite '24 QB (Sayin')
Now maybe not landing Moore helps us with #2, but that's not a guarantee and even if it does, we can't put our eggs in the basket of a current HS sophomore. I know that Rees is a Wunderkind in the industry and all, but at a certain point we have to seriously question his ability to recruit the position.

1) THIS for the win

2) Sayin (who Is my top pick) appears to be #2 on Tommy's list
 

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The glass half empty sees this and thinks Ohio State sees an opening in a recruitment that isn’t close to over:



The glass half full thinks Birm and On3 are just getting some clicks after a recent visit.
 

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The glass half empty sees this and thinks Ohio State sees an opening in a recruitment that isn’t close to over:



The glass half full thinks Birm and On3 are just getting some clicks after a recent visit.

Two takeaways for me from the article:
  1. In no way, shape, or form am I worried about OSU here. Not now anyway.
  2. This kid is NOT committing to us anytime soon, so we all need to take his word at face value here. Hopefully the staff does as well and has an acceptable contingency plan in place for if/when he chooses another school.
Moore: “On official visits and upcoming visits, I’m trying to stay as long as I can. What’s it like when I’m there and wake up there and stuff like that to see as much as possible.”

“I’m not in a rush to do anything at all,”
 

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The fact that he isn't in a rush to do anything is very concerning. Even if he waits till end of summer to make a decision this hurts the class big time.
 

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The fact that he isn't in a rush to do anything is very concerning. Even if he waits till end of summer to make a decision this hurts the class big time.
Agreed. It seems he's not convinced of ND. Whether that's fit, culture, NIL, whatever - if he was, it would be in his own best interest to commit stat and start recruiting for himself and his team. But this is going in the exact opposite direction, with timelines getting more and more stretched out. Someone mentioned recently that this could go into his senior season now. Fall?! That would be a HUGE lost opportunity for this class and what it could have been.

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Besides Tate, which recruit would a Dante commit possibly materially impact? Gallagher seems like a heavy PSU lean, and Greathouse is from Texas. Is there a WR that would suddenly be interested if Dante committed today? Would it impact Proctor? Probably not as it seems like it's all Iowa.

Unless it stops Keeley from taking visits, I don't know how much a needle mover it would be on direct impacts.
 

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Besides Tate, which recruit would a Dante commit possibly materially impact? Gallagher seems like a heavy PSU lean, and Greathouse is from Texas. Is there a WR that would suddenly be interested if Dante committed today? Would it impact Proctor? Probably not as it seems like it's all Iowa.

Unless it stops Keeley from taking visits, I don't know how much a needle mover it would be on direct impacts.
It's common knowledge that elite QBs bring elite offensive talent with them. Tate aside, it's possible that a Moore commitment would garner interest from some folks that aren't necessarily seriously considering ND right now. Elite talent gravitates toward elite talent. Moore would help with that.
 

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It's common knowledge that elite QBs bring elite offensive talent with them. Tate aside, it's possible that a Moore commitment would garner interest from some folks that aren't necessarily seriously considering ND right now. Elite talent gravitates toward elite talent. Moore would help with that.
Well aware. But, is there anyone that changes their mind today based on a DM commitment? Tate? After him on 247 rankings, B.James is the next highest rate recruit and he's likely committing before DM. Maybe Duece Robinson? But doesn't seem like he's shown any interest in ND for awhile, and given his ranking he can go to a school with a DM already there. Okunlola - maybe?

Obviously I'm team DM-commit-tomorrow-please.
 

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Well aware. But, is there anyone that changes their mind today based on a DM commitment? Tate? After him on 247 rankings, B.James is the next highest rate recruit and he's likely committing before DM. Maybe Duece Robinson? But doesn't seem like he's shown any interest in ND for awhile, and given his ranking he can go to a school with a DM already there. Okunlola - maybe?

Obviously I'm team DM-commit-tomorrow-please.
Today? Who knows, likely not literally. But every day that passes is a day closer to said elite recruits deciding to follow another elite QB elsewhere. Teams that already have their guy have weeks (and in some cases months) of a headstart on us, being able to say - "look what we're building on offense, come here and be a part of it." This coupled with those QBs selling the product as well. What is ND selling on offense right now? Irvin? Flanagan? No offense to those kids -- I'm sure they're great kids and hopefully will someday be contributors -- but they're not exactly creating a gravitational pull with regards to offensive recruiting.
 

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Today? Who knows, likely not literally. But every day that passes is a day closer to said elite recruits deciding to follow another elite QB elsewhere. Teams that already have their guy have weeks (and in some cases months) of a headstart on us, being able to say - "look what we're building on offense, come here and be a part of it." This coupled with those QBs selling the product as well. What is ND selling on offense right now? Irvin? Flanagan? No offense to those kids -- I'm sure they're great kids and hopefully will someday be contributors -- but they're not exactly creating a gravitational pull with regards to offensive recruiting.

I agree with this logic. IMO believing that elite talent will change their minds about ND if DM commits in April, is a sunk cost as the truly elite guys are already in the end stages. Like if this swayed both Inniss and Tate to ND, then yeah it would be defcon 1 to get DM to commit.

I hope to god that I'm wrong, and also that this is all a long con to setup a surprise commitment.

 

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Elite WR's want to play with Elite QB's it's that simple. What is the staff selling the WR's when they are asking who will the QB be? Because right now we don't have an answer, a lot of these big time players want to lock their spots up. I just find it funny how at first Dante was supposed to be making a decision soon according to most insiders then now all of a sudden it keeps getting pushed out. This just shows me he isn't 100% sold on ND and is looking for something they don't offer. Like ect. ( what if Miami or Texas A&M come in with a NIL offer of millions, gonna be hard to beat that. )
 

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"Long cons" only ever come at our expense.
At the end of the day, I take some solace in that Harbaugh has been recruiting him since like grade 7 and they might just be a hat on the table when it's all said and done. Watching the soul leave EJ's body while he's writing about the #59 ranked WR instead of Moore is kind of nice.
 

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I get the “If Moore commits now, Elite Receiver X will seriously consider ND” scenario. It’s be nice to sew him up and sell to other players. Personally I’m far more worried about the “If Moore waits until October and then commits to A&M or wherever, then ND is screwed for a quarterback,” scenario.

But big picture it’s hard to know how concerned to be without knowing where and when these OVs he wants to take are happening. Has there been any reporting on that?
 

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Wait til this happens and all hell will break loose on here:

Rees gets a head coaching or NFL OC gig and then we worry about all offensive recruits, especially QB.
 
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