'21 CA QB Tyler Buchner (ND FB -> Bama FB -> ND LAX???)

[SeekNDestroy]

I don’t care where he was ranked at a camp. I dont care what the recruiting sites change his ranking to. I care that someone involved with Tyler thought it was a good idea to change an already outstanding throwing motion. He had a quick release, great velocity, and was very accurate. This camp showed none of that. Please tell me this is some kind of aberration.

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

I don’t care where he was ranked at a camp. I dont care what the recruiting sites change his ranking to. I care that someone involved with Tyler thought it was a good idea to change an already outstanding throwing motion. He had a quick release, great velocity, and was very accurate. This camp showed none of that. Please tell me this is some kind of aberration.

As someone who has played/coached a lot of basketball over the years...

I can attest I have seen many times where kids alter their mechanics based on the environment

It's not as simple as...
game = practice = competition

game = defenders in your face
practice = open gimmies
competition = (timed) 3 point contests.

The competitions I've done, in particular, I've seen kids "pushing" (rushing) shots, not knowing what side of rack to stand on, etc.

With this said, yes I concur that his motion looked difference. Yes, it could permanent. Yes, it could be another qb "bust".

But, I refuse to take this has impending doom. We will see how his SR film looks. New coaches, new receivers, new (improved) competition. This is where we will get a real data. Jumping to any kind of conclusions from this is silly. Concerning, sure, if you want to. But this is not even close to a "red flag" in my book.

 

[317Irish]

As someone who has played/coached a lot of basketball over the years...

I can attest I have seen many times where kids alter their mechanics based on the environment

It's not as simple as...
game = practice = competition

game = defenders in your face
practice = open gimmies
competition = (timed) 3 point contests.

The competitions I've done, in particular, I've seen kids "pushing" (rushing) shots, not knowing what side of rack to stand on, etc.

With this said, yes I concur that his motion looked difference. Yes, it could permanent. Yes, it could be another qb "bust".

But, I refuse to take this has impending doom. We will see how his SR film looks. New coaches, new receivers, new (improved) competition. This is where we will get a real data. Jumping to any kind of conclusions from this is silly. Concerning, sure, if you want to. But this is not even close to a "red flag" in my book.

I won’t read back far enough to see if there is evidence that Whitfield or someone else is the cause for this, but I will say that I played QB in high school (at a decent level albeit no where near TB’s) and a little in college and often made changes to my throwing motion. Even when I was throwing the ball fairly accurately there was still room for improvements to my mechanics. Anyone who golfs knows that as you’re working on mechanical improvements it might feel (and look) awkward or robotic and create inconsistencies until you’ve done it enough and it becomes natural. I’m not sure why he or somebody else felt the need to make changes, but I understand why it might currently look bad as he’s working through those changes.

 

[dublinirish]

These kids make these changes because they are worried about their NFL/Pro futures. College coaches don't care as much about throwing mechanics as long as the players are making plays I would say.

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

These kids make these changes because they are worried about their NFL/Pro futures. College coaches don't care as much about throwing mechanics as long as the players are making plays I would say.

God knows Kelly cares...

 

[Bluto]

Kid is already a “bust”. The shit people worry about amazes me sometimes.

These type of “camps” have ruined high school and college football and the stupidity is rapidly perking down to the youth level.

 

[Huntr]

The big takeaways from the Elite 11

We still don’t know what to think about Tyler Buchner

Notre Dame commit Tyler Buchner’s evaluation has been a series of hunches. Due to injury he didn’t play a down of varsity football before his junior season but he was highly regarded and Notre Dame took him over several other highly rated prospects. Our hunch was that he was really good but there wasn’t much to go on. After a junior season in which Buchner dominated poor competition, he earned a ranking among the top quarterbacks in the country. Our hunch was that he may be a candidate for the top arm in the class. After the Elite 11 this week, he looks a long way away from that. His delivery featured a pronounced sidearm that saw him sail a lot of footballs over the weekend and he just failed to find consistency over the course of the event. So now we’re back to hunches. My hunch is that his current Top100 ranking is probably still about right but we’re hoping we get to see him as a senior at Helix High School where he’ll play better competition and aid us finding some conviction in this Buchner eval.

 

[NorthDakota]

Kid is already a “bust”. The shit people worry about amazes me sometimes.

These type of “camps” have ruined high school and college football and the stupidity is rapidly perking down to the youth level.

I'm with ya man. Its idiotic.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Lowered expectations for Buchner may be a blessing. We won't know what we've got until he's on campus anyway. Just hope he avoids injury and is coached well in the interim.

 

[TorontoGold]

Kid is already a “bust”. The shit people worry about amazes me sometimes.

These type of “camps” have ruined high school and college football and the stupidity is rapidly perking down to the youth level.

....It's like making snap decisions based on a camp....is not good?

Crazy people will let a camp cloud the available film/data. If he has a bad fall, then yeah its relevant but shouldn't matter much now.

 

[irishandy]

Many seem to think he is going to start the minute he steps on campus...I don't. If he gets to play football this year let's see how he does against tougher competition (if he does bad the pages in this thread will double).

ND will be fine!

 

[NDty9]

IF there is a HighSchool season in 2020, get ready for the Hype Train to go full steam ahead again. Kid can play football and I CANT WAIT to have him in Blue and Gold!!

 

[benneboy]

Many seem to think he is going to start the minute he steps on campus...I don't. If he gets to play football this year let's see how he does against tougher competition (if he does bad the pages in this thread will double).

ND will be fine!

I don't think he'll start game 1 but do believe he'll by the end of the year. Trevor Lawrence didn't start day 1 and we have a good Qb room.

He's an elite Qb in my mind and the 2nd best Qb in this class behind Williams.

 

[irishandy]

I don't think he'll start game 1 but do believe he'll by the end of the year. Trevor Lawrence didn't start day 1 and we have a good Qb room.

He's an elite Qb in my mind and the 2nd best Qb in this class behind Williams.

I do like Buchner, but at the moment he is not Trevor Lawrence material.

 

[ThePiombino]

I do like Buchner, but at the moment he is not Trevor Lawrence material.

Not many are. Lawrence is a unicorn.

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[FightingIrishLover7]

I do like Buchner, but at the moment he is not Trevor Lawrence material.

More Pat Mahomes material

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[Bluto]

Not many are. Lawrence is a unicorn.

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I think Lawrence is good. Definitely not a “unicorn”. He has had the benefit of playing against shit competition with a great online, great running back and some insane receivers. Bouroughs looked way better in the finals last year.

 

[ThePiombino]

I think Lawrence is good. Definitely not a “unicorn”. He has had the benefit of playing against shit competition with a great online, great running back and some insane receivers. Bouroughs looked way better in the finals last year.

Have you seen his performances on some of the largest stages in CFB? Come on man lol. This guy would have been #1 draft pick this year, let alone either of the next two...

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[irishandy]

Trevor Lawrence will be the next Peyton Manning in the NFL.

 

[stpeteirish]

247 dropped him 49 spots, no longer a 5 star.

nuthin but bad news this summer it seems.

 

[Sherm Sticky]

247 dropped him 49 spots, no longer a 5 star.

nuthin but bad news this summer it seems.

Not surprised....typical.

 

[zelezo vlk]

Just drop him to a 3 star and get it over with, let Tyler use that as fuel

 

[IrishLax]

The quotes were kind of funny. The scout that 247 quotes said it was “weird” about a half dozen times. Specifically, that there is tons of other camps and film that shows him not throwing like that.

Instead of understanding that a bad QB coach gave him bad advice, they came to the conclusion that all the other film and camps should be ignored. Going to be sad when football is cancelled and he doesn’t have an opportunity to play his senior season.

 

[Sherm Sticky]

The quotes were kind of funny. The scout that 247 quotes said it was “weird” about a half dozen times. Specifically, that there is tons of other camps and film that shows him not throwing like that.

Instead of understanding that a bad QB coach gave him bad advice, they came to the conclusion that all the other film and camps should be ignored. Going to be sad when football is cancelled and he doesn’t have an opportunity to play his senior season.

Don't care. As long as he knocks it out of the ballpark as the QB of Notre Dame.

 

[rtrn2glory]

Everywhere I read says he didn't perform well at the camp. If that's the case... The drop is justified

 

[PANDFAN]

Everywhere I read says he didn't perform well at the camp. If that's the case... The drop is justified

justified in 1 outing vs EVERYTHING else he has done? including other camps? certainly hope my work performance isn't justified by 1 day vs my 14 years of working at the same gov entity.....a couple of spots, ok.....49 is absurd

 

[texbender]

does it even matter?

 

[SoIll]

The quotes were kind of funny. The scout that 247 quotes said it was “weird” about a half dozen times. Specifically, that there is tons of other camps and film that shows him not throwing like that.

Instead of understanding that a bad QB coach gave him bad advice, they came to the conclusion that all the other film and camps should be ignored. Going to be sad when football is cancelled and he doesn’t have an opportunity to play his senior season.

his he still working with this QB coach?

 

[PANDFAN]

does it even matter?

it does from a national recruiting perspective, 5* want to play with other 5* and when you look at recruiting rankings it entices others to join the class

 

[calvegas04]

justified in 1 outing vs EVERYTHING else he has done? including other camps? certainly hope my work performance isn't justified by 1 day vs my 14 years of working at the same gov entity.....a couple of spots, ok.....49 is absurd

It was a 3 day event and it wasn't a good look