2023 Transfer QB

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Rising is far above average. He was #9 in QBR in 2022, one spot ahead of Drake Maye and one spot behind Bryce Young. He was #6 in 2021.

Of course QBR isn't everything, but it isn't a bad metric since it is opponent-adjusted. When you look at the other guys in the top 10, you can see it's no fluke. Stroud, Nix, Williams, Travis, etc.

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Love me some Andy fucking Ludwig. Thank goodness MF is a man and wasn’t bitching for weeks about not getting AL like he was god’s gift.
 
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Doing some research today, these are the best Group of Five QBs out there including Pratt, Reed, and Rourke. It seems like Pratt really wanted to get his degree from Tulane among other things, but assuming he gets that now, I would bet he'll be more open to looking around (that is if he decides it's worth it vis a vis his NFL QB draft profile for '24). Rourke actually looks like he's having a good year again, but OH not as good as '22. I would think he graduates and also has one year left, but he's married and sounds like he's ready to make a run at the NFL and then go into a coaching career.
 
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One interesting team that may hold a future incoming transfer QB for ND (if we're gonna to pursue one) is UCLA: They have of course Moore battling it out with Ethan Garbers and then there's Collin Schlee. Surely one of these experienced, capable QBs is going to be looking to transfer after this year. I guess then it will depend on how they think they stack up against ND's '24 room, including incoming Carr. UCLA's current room is an example itself tho' where 2 strong QBs decided to all play at the same school with a HS QB stud even though there was a decent chance they were going to sit. Again, I don't think that will last into the '24 season.
 
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NDRock said:
Dude, let it go. We didn't get Ludwig and no matter how much you complain about it, he ain't coming. Support Parker, he's our OC.
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He’s not pining for Ludwig. He’s mocking those that routinely bring Ludwig up. I think you and Giddyup are on the same team. At least that’s my impression.
 
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So if Michigan implodes and JJ needs to find a new home (and not going to NFL yet), does he consider ND?
 
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ab2cmiller said:
He’s not pining for Ludwig. He’s mocking those that routinely bring Ludwig up. I think you and Giddyup are on the same team. At least that’s my impression.
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Yeah, I know. Just F’ing around as he seems obsessed with Ludwig.
 
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What do you all think are the chances that Pratt transfers to ND with the opportunity to be on the national stage and likely play in the inaugural 12-team playoff format and hopefully with solid NLI earnings, instead of opting for the NFL draft? Is Rising our more likely candidate?
 
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NDWarrior said:
What do you all think are the chances that Pratt transfers to ND with the opportunity to be on the national stage and likely play in the inaugural 12-team playoff format and hopefully with solid NLI earnings, instead of opting for the NFL draft? Is Rising our more likely candidate?
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Didn’t realize Pratt had gotten hurt, which seems to have dinged his draft stock some.

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That probably increases the odds he stays in college another year, especially with this year’s QB class being so deep. He could stay, make some money with us, and parlay that into a higher pick than he’d be this year. Of course there’s a half-dozen other places he could do that too.
 
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Hopefully, ND wins out and finishes 10-2 but I got a bad feeling about Clemson. IF they end up less than 10-2 & thus, not eligible for NY6 bowl was getting Hartman vs playing Angeli/Minchey worth it? Not saying ND still finishes 9-3 (but I guess they could) but after the NY6 is off the table the bowl options all suck as far as prestige.

To be clear, I love having Hartman & this is definitely hindsight as no one knew how this year would play out. But moving forward, if there’s not enough separation vs portal QB and what you have, why “waste“ a season?
 
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FSU and LSU will likely go after Pratt so hopefully we can get him. Since we're not dropping bags for HS recruits then money shouldn't be an issue for grad transfers.
 
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Didn’t realize Pratt had gotten hurt, which seems to have dinged his draft stock some.

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That probably increases the odds he stays in college another year, especially with this year’s QB class being so deep. He could stay, make some money with us, and parlay that into a higher pick than he’d be this year. Of course there’s a half-dozen other places he could do that too.
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Yes and interestingly enough, their one loss to Ole Miss is one in which he sat out and a QB with 1 game under his belt started. Now I understand why that game was not that close and Tulane lost.
 
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Hit and hustle discussed this a week or so ago. I have to agree with their opinion. They stated that it would probably be another season like this year with Hartman.he would still be good but he would be in a system that would be uncomfortable for him most likely.
 
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IRISHDODGER said:
Hopefully, ND wins out and finishes 10-2 but I got a bad feeling about Clemson. IF they end up less than 10-2 & thus, not eligible for NY6 bowl was getting Hartman vs playing Angeli/Minchey worth it? Not saying ND still finishes 9-3 (but I guess they could) but after the NY6 is off the table the bowl options all suck as far as prestige.

To be clear, I love having Hartman & this is definitely hindsight as no one knew how this year would play out. But moving forward, if there’s not enough separation vs portal QB and what you have, why “waste“ a season?
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I would say yes based on a few factors.

If we don't get Hartman, then we still have Drew Pyne and Tyler Buchner as the leaders in the QB room though Spring - the loser (Most likely Pyne) probably transfers in the summer and the other (Most likely Buchner) becomes the starter.

Having the experienced Hartman as the leader as the QB room has to be a plus for Angeli and Minchey. Learning form him far outweighs learning from Buchner.

Hartman has paved the way for other transfers to realize how much money they can make by transferring to ND.
 
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I would say yes based on a few factors.

If we don't get Hartman, then we still have Drew Pyne and Tyler Buchner as the leaders in the QB room though Spring - the loser (Most likely Pyne) probably transfers in the summer and the other (Most likely Buchner) becomes the starter.

Having the experienced Hartman as the leader as the QB room has to be a plus for Angeli and Minchey. Learning form him far outweighs learning from Buchner.

Hartman has paved the way for other transfers to realize how much money they can make by transferring to ND.
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I have to agree with you on that. I didn’t even consider Buchner staying. That said, if Buchner couldn’t mesh w/ the offense wouldn’t they just go to Angeli that much quicker? They probably still finish with a winning record & go to some random bowl the same they will this season if they finish worse than 10-2. Anyways, hindsight is 20/20 so I‘m not saying I wasn’t thrilled when Hartman committed to ND. Just looking back wondering if it was worth it for the long term health of the QB room.
 
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NDohio said:
I would say yes based on a few factors.

If we don't get Hartman, then we still have Drew Pyne and Tyler Buchner as the leaders in the QB room though Spring - the loser (Most likely Pyne) probably transfers in the summer and the other (Most likely Buchner) becomes the starter.

Having the experienced Hartman as the leader as the QB room has to be a plus for Angeli and Minchey. Learning form him far outweighs learning from Buchner.

Hartman has paved the way for other transfers to realize how much money they can make by transferring to ND.
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Everything you just said +1

Angeli and Minchey saw how Hartman prepared, executed in games and leaning from the #1 ACC QB in yards thrown isn't something to laugh at. They saw the good and the bad but I think it was extremely beneficial for them. I don't think any of us would trade 2-3 more losses this year just to see Angeli/Minchey get more snaps.

Also, Hartman coming to ND will open doors for future players.

These are dividends paid in the coming years.
 
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Veritate Duce Progredi said:
Everything you just said +1

Angeli and Minchey saw how Hartman prepared, executed in games and leaning from the #1 ACC QB in yards thrown isn't something to laugh at. They saw the good and the bad but I think it was extremely beneficial for them. I don't think any of us would trade 2-3 more losses this year just to see Angeli/Minchey get more snaps.

Also, Hartman coming to ND will open doors for future players.

These are dividends paid in the coming years.
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Yep, you first need to try and win every single game, then you can worry about reps. Look at clemson. It's probably not shocking this 2024 class of theirs could be their worst class in over a decade with how they've played the last 14 games.

Lets not let them get any momentum!
 
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Veritate Duce Progredi said:
Everything you just said +1

Angeli and Minchey saw how Hartman prepared, executed in games and leaning from the #1 ACC QB in yards thrown isn't something to laugh at. They saw the good and the bad but I think it was extremely beneficial for them. I don't think any of us would trade 2-3 more losses this year just to see Angeli/Minchey get more snaps.

Also, Hartman coming to ND will open doors for future players.

These are dividends paid in the coming years.
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O great, so now Minchey and Angeli are going to avoid the team during timeouts??
 
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Welcome to ND, Michael (also nothing groundbreaking in that tweet but let's keep the smoke billowing)
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What a massive downgrade in the city that'll be, going from New Orleans to South Bend. Maybe Quinn and Mendoza should throw in another 10K or so to make up for it
 
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