2020 ND Football Schedule Options

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A lot of players parents have written the B1G expressing their displeasure. Adding B1G teams to other conferences and to their schedule would be tough at this point. B1G has only postponed not cancelled the season so playing outside of the conference make have to go through the courts. IMO B1G shouldn’t have acted so quickly. I imagine the schools wish Delaney was still the commissioner.
 

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So does Desmond Howard now eat crow, after all the s*** he talked about Nebraska?
 

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ACC SEC and Big12 should tell the B1G they are full and schedules are made
 

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Apparently 25 states are scheduled to play HS FB this year. All 25 states have republican governors. Only one state (Maryland) with a republican governor is opting out. I think the B1G governors are pretty much Dems, except for Ohio, Iowa and one other? How much of this is a political decision?
 

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Apparently 25 states are scheduled to play HS FB this year. All 25 states have republican governors. Only one state (Maryland) with a republican governor is opting out. I think the B1G governors are pretty much Dems, except for Ohio, Iowa and one other? How much of this is a political decision?

PA is still on for fall sports (those they are pushed to October) with a Dem governor. Though the PIAA is having a new conference Friday and it seems that they may cancel the fall.
 

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Apparently 25 states are scheduled to play HS FB this year. All 25 states have republican governors. Only one state (Maryland) with a republican governor is opting out. I think the B1G governors are pretty much Dems, except for Ohio, Iowa and one other? How much of this is a political decision?

Indiana and Nebraska
 

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Apparently 25 states are scheduled to play HS FB this year. All 25 states have republican governors. Only one state (Maryland) with a republican governor is opting out. I think the B1G governors are pretty much Dems, except for Ohio, Iowa and one other? How much of this is a political decision?

Considering 170k people are dead, and countless more who got the disease and now have new issues after the fact due to COVID (assuming accuracy of the recorded numbers), I guess one could also ask are Democrat governors more apt to err on the side of caution and Republicans are more apt to not.

Are Dems listening more to doctors than Republicans?

Are Republicans more concerned with money than the well being of countless people?

Any decision is politcal. What is the basis for their decisions?
 

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Apparently 25 states are scheduled to play HS FB this year. All 25 states have republican governors. Only one state (Maryland) with a republican governor is opting out. I think the B1G governors are pretty much Dems, except for Ohio, Iowa and one other? How much of this is a political decision?

It's mostly a financial and political decision. Has nothing to do with player safety or public health.

Where the PAC12 and Big Ten are getting nervous now is that they were convinced that after they announced cancellation and the NCAA announced that they were cancelling all fall championships that the other conferences would cave. But they're not, and there's a massive groundswell movement from the players themselves to play the game (they were expecting the opposite, based on "unions" submitting lists of demands and such prior to cancellation).
 

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Considering 170k people are dead, and countless more who got the disease and now have new issues after the fact due to COVID (assuming accuracy of the recorded numbers), I guess one could also ask are Democrat governors more apt to err on the side of caution and Republicans are more apt to not.

Are Dems listening more to doctors than Republicans?

Are Republicans more concerned with money than the well being of countless people?

Any decision is politcal. What is the basis for their decisions?

These two things are not mutually exclusive.
 

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These two things are not mutually exclusive.

Not saying it is. I'm simply expounding on the types of questions that could be asked if one wanted to determine the political nature of a decision....considering Dem governors and Republican governors decisions to proceed with risky behavior and allowing CFB football games to occur or not occur. Asked another way is "Are governors decisions more heavily weighted on economic impact than public well being?"
 

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Not saying it is. I'm simply expounding on the types of questions that could be asked if one wanted to determine the political nature of a decision....considering Dem governors and Republican governors decisions to proceed with risky behavior and allowing CFB football games to occur or not occur. Asked another way is "Are governors decisions more heavily weighted on economic impact than public well being?"

I think you are viewing this in black and white rather than the many shades of gray that is the reality. There are ways to be extremely cautious towards populations with co-morbidities while maintaining the economic and communal ways of life for separate populations that have little risk to the disease.
 

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I think you are viewing this in black and white rather than the many shades of gray that is the reality. There are ways to be extremely cautious towards populations with co-morbidities while maintaining the economic and communal ways of life for separate populations that have little risk to the disease.

FTR I am not taking a position one way or the other and its a position I wouldnt want to be in as a leader. I have little confidence in anything being reported out of the government and have defaulted to listening to my doctor and the best course of action to safeguard my own family.

I think there have been failures and successes though. My state got hit by outbreaks within 2 weeks of our soft "reopening". People from out of state came here on vacation (Myrtle Beach and Charleston) and we had explosions. There is also a track of people leaving the state with COVID after vacationing here a month or so after the opening.

As far as being cautious I agree, but I am not naive enough to expect the population of SC to be cautious regrading others. Our governor (R) has done little to nothing and made very few public statements. He has kind of taken a laz faire stance and mix that with the "federal government cant tell me to wear a mask" people here and we are still struggling to get the curve down.
 

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It's mostly a financial and political decision. Has nothing to do with player safety or public health.

Where the PAC12 and Big Ten are getting nervous now is that they were convinced that after they announced cancellation and the NCAA announced that they were cancelling all fall championships that the other conferences would cave. But they're not, and there's a massive groundswell movement from the players themselves to play the game (they were expecting the opposite, based on "unions" submitting lists of demands and such prior to cancellation).

I still think it takes an asteroid to blow up an SEC stadium for them to cancel. But in all seriousness, if you remove the conferences/ presidents/ ADs and just put the doctors on a panel...that could shed some light on what we're all asking.

Do some of these doctors have info that others don't?

Why can't doctors advising Pac 12 come to same conclusion as doctors advising ACC?

My gut tells me that panel would reveal cancelling football is a HUGE "cover our ass" policy by those schools under the blanket of "health and safety."
 

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I still think it takes an asteroid to blow up an SEC stadium for them to cancel. But in all seriousness, if you remove the conferences/ presidents/ ADs and just put the doctors on a panel...that could shed some light on what we're all asking.

Do some of these doctors have info that others don't?

Why can't doctors advising Pac 12 come to same conclusion as doctors advising ACC?

My gut tells me that panel would reveal cancelling football is a HUGE "cover our ass" policy by those schools under the blanket of "health and safety."

It's definitely a CYA situation, particularly when they are allowing students back on campus as we've discussed before.
 

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Can I buy tickets yet?

there will be no single game tickets sold. ND has announced that a while back. Your only chance will be if they let season ticket holders in who put their tickets on secondary market.
 

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there will be no single game tickets sold. ND has announced that a while back. Your only chance will be if they let season ticket holders in who put their tickets on secondary market.

Right. That's what I'm waiting for.
 

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Right. That's what I'm waiting for.

well might as well stop holding your breathe, because there has been no word on season ticket holders. Even if they are allowed it isnt likely to be all ticket holders.

All of these will be allowed in stadium before regular season ticket holders: Students/Band, Family, Alumni/Letter Winners, Benefactors.

The fact that ND has stopped taking ticket holder payments really should give you a good understanding of what they expect to announce.
 

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I still think it takes an asteroid to blow up an SEC stadium for them to cancel. But in all seriousness, if you remove the conferences/ presidents/ ADs and just put the doctors on a panel...that could shed some light on what we're all asking.

Do some of these doctors have info that others don't?

Why can't doctors advising Pac 12 come to same conclusion as doctors advising ACC?

My gut tells me that panel would reveal cancelling football is a HUGE "cover our ass" policy by those schools under the blanket of "health and safety."

It’s really all about money. Everyone has the same information, the PAC12 and Big Ten are choosing to interpret it a certain way and the SEC/ACC/Big 12 another.

The bottom line is that the PAC12, Big Ten, and the NCAA are playing a game with loans, insurance and lawsuits to make canceling the season the financial way to go. Good post on part of this — https://irishsportsdaily.com/forums/1/topics/49751

The other conferences are trying to actually evaluate “acceptable risk” rather than look for an excuse/justification not to play. Just two completely different ways of approaching the same issue.
 

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It's mostly a financial and political decision. Has nothing to do with player safety or public health.

Where the PAC12 and Big Ten are getting nervous now is that they were convinced that after they announced cancellation and the NCAA announced that they were cancelling all fall championships that the other conferences would cave. But they're not, and there's a massive groundswell movement from the players themselves to play the game (they were expecting the opposite, based on "unions" submitting lists of demands and such prior to cancellation).

The players are 18-23 year olds who have prepared years for this opportunity. I would expect nothing less from them. I would expect the coaches to support their players, ditto for the families.

But it's the school presidents that make this call. They obviously have to juggle much more than just football. For example, Nebraska sent a survey out to faculty asking them if they support leaving the Big 10 to play football this fall....90% voted to stay with the Big 10. I think people believe this is just about football and sports. I think it's more about allocation of resources.

Those administrators chose caution and want to prioritize resources towards higher education. Personally, if there is one thing that has worked on a worldwide level with regards to Covid, its caution. I think the ACC, SEC and Big XII are flying blind here. Sure, they have their protocols. But it's a gigantic unknown. Saban and other coaches saying " they are safer playing than running around at home" is a complete straw man. Why would they go hpme? OSU is keeping practices up and people are staying around. Or, is going to class a problem? Let's just get rid of that pesky educational component of student athlete.

My personal belief is that in the end, the Big 10 and Pac 12 will come out looking better than the other conferences. Games will be played, but you will have countless people poking and asking "at what cost?". It's a damn if you do, damn if you don't, but being late is worse than being early.
 

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The players are 18-23 year olds who have prepared years for this opportunity. I would expect nothing less from them. I would expect the coaches to support their players, ditto for the families.

But it's the school presidents that make this call. They obviously have to juggle much more than just football. For example, Nebraska sent a survey out to faculty asking them if they support leaving the Big 10 to play football this fall....90% voted to stay with the Big 10. I think people believe this is just about football and sports. I think it's more about allocation of resources.

Those administrators chose caution and want to prioritize resources towards higher education. Personally, if there is one thing that has worked on a worldwide level with regards to Covid, its caution. I think the ACC, SEC and Big XII are flying blind here. Sure, they have their protocols. But it's a gigantic unknown. Saban and other coaches saying " they are safer playing than running around at home" is a complete straw man. Why would they go hpme? OSU is keeping practices up and people are staying around. Or, is going to class a problem? Let's just get rid of that pesky educational component of student athlete.

My personal belief is that in the end, the Big 10 and Pac 12 will come out looking better than the other conferences. Games will be played, but you will have countless people poking and asking "at what cost?". It's a damn if you do, damn if you don't, but being late is worse than being early.
I agree here. I posted two links above about UNC. Today they had to go back to all undergrad classes be virtual and they are having to arrange for housing refunds among other things. They have been open less than three weeks and already have nearly 400 people in quarantine on and off campus. It’s risky as hell to open up schools and then expect student athletes not to get sick.
 

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They should throw together some Blue/Gold type games.
Why don't ND and Purdue just play a practice game and then ND organise another practice game against Indiana.
Enough of these practice sessions behind closed doors.
 
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Unless things take a turn in the correct direction, we're going to see a shutdown of the school and the football team sooner rather than later. ND had a very good plan in place to have on campus classes this year, but students wanting to ignore social distancing guidelines is what it is.
 
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