2020 ND Football Schedule Options

[domer13]

Unless things take a turn in the correct direction, we're going to see a shutdown of the school and the football team sooner rather than later. ND had a very good plan in place to have on campus classes this year, but students wanting to ignore social distancing guidelines is what it is.

Agreed. Not looking good here. I would predict sooner rather than later.

 

[IrishLax]

Agreed. Not looking good here. I would predict sooner rather than later.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The discouraging thing here is that ND actually tested ALL of its students prior to them returning. Literally one off-campus party has caused this domino.<a href="https://t.co/f9jEl0T70E">https://t.co/f9jEl0T70E</a> <a href="https://t.co/bDeVutIn2N">https://t.co/bDeVutIn2N</a></p>— Stewart Mandel (@slmandel) <a href="https://twitter.com/slmandel/status/1295772416388423680?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 18, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

It's sad. And I'm not being too judgmental, because I know I did a lot of irresponsible shit in college, but it's insane to think about how a couple people jeopardized so much for so many people.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

I'm guessing the innate desire for hormone induced partying and sexy time with each other will make social distancing very difficult on most campuses nation wide

 

[House16]

Unless things take a turn in the correct direction, we're going to see a shutdown of the school and the football team sooner rather than later. ND had a very good plan in place to have on campus classes this year, but students wanting to ignore social distancing guidelines is what it is.

Strongly disagree that ND had a good plan in place. If your plan depends on college kids not socializing, it's not a good plan. Add that to: kids not getting tested even though they want to (a good plan would test people repeatedly regardless), lack of robust contact tracing actually happening, and organized social gatherings (Father John defending a picture of a girls' dorm all shoulder to shoulder with him in the middle, yikes), and you have a recipe for disaster. If you run this experiment 100 times, you have huge outbreaks like this 100 times. It was a foregone conclusion.

 

[stpeteirish]

and we're really not a 'party school' wait till the SEC starts rolling.

 

[Some Irish Bloke]

Strongly disagree that ND had a good plan in place. If your plan depends on college kids not socializing, it's not a good plan. Add that to: kids not getting tested even though they want to (a good plan would test people repeatedly regardless), lack of robust contact tracing actually happening, and organized social gatherings (Father John defending a picture of a girls' dorm all shoulder to shoulder with him in the middle, yikes), and you have a recipe for disaster. If you run this experiment 100 times, you have huge outbreaks like this 100 times. It was a foregone conclusion.

Guess i don't follow the bold; is the University supposed to be run like a concentration camp? No one in or out? The party was off campus. They can't hold students against their will or lock them in dorms. At a certain point you have to trust the students at a prestigious university such as Notre Dame to do the right thing, and they didn't do it. We all partied in college (well, I'm sure majority if not all) and it appears the temptation coming back to school for the semester was too much for the kids. Not sure how that's on the plan that the University itself enacted.

 

[domer13]

Guess i don't follow the bold; is the University supposed to be run like a concentration camp? No one in or out? The party was off campus. They can't hold students against their will or lock them in dorms. At a certain point you have to trust the students at a prestigious university such as Notre Dame to do the right thing, and they didn't do it. We all partied in college (well, I'm sure majority if not all) and it appears the temptation coming back to school for the semester was too much for the kids. Not sure how that's on the plan that the University itself enacted.

Fr. Jenkins will be speaking to the whole student body today at 5pm EST for a virtual "Town Hall." It will be fascinating to see if any major changes are coming.

 

[Dizzyphil]

Fr. Jenkins will be speaking to the whole student body today at 5pm EST for a virtual "Town Hall." It will be fascinating to see if any major changes are coming.

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[domer13]

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To be clear, the Town Hall was announced two days ago. So the address was not necessarily a response to today's news (although presumably in anticipation of it).

 

[Irish YJ]

Wonder if he'll be party shaming them, and tell them to wear protection.

 

[House16]

Guess i don't follow the bold; is the University supposed to be run like a concentration camp? No one in or out? The party was off campus. They can't hold students against their will or lock them in dorms. At a certain point you have to trust the students at a prestigious university such as Notre Dame to do the right thing, and they didn't do it. We all partied in college (well, I'm sure majority if not all) and it appears the temptation coming back to school for the semester was too much for the kids. Not sure how that's on the plan that the University itself enacted.

So I’m by no means a medical expert and also not currently on campus, but the 1000 tests performed this month seems woefully inadequate to me. There have been tweets and reddit posts all over of people claiming they wanted to get tested but that HERE didn’t have capacity. Apparently some students sought testing from the medical system in south bend? It seems to me that if you really want to try to have 8,000 kids congregated on/around campus in a global pandemic, you need to test every one of them at least once a week and have far more robust contact tracing. However, all of my opinion is shaded by a strong belief that it’s ridiculous to try to do in-person classes in a pandemic, as I think every college will discover over the next couple weeks.

What saddens me is that I’m already sure that administrations around the country who set up a scenario that could only lead to abject failure, are sure to say that it’s the student’s fault an outbreak happened, because they went to a party. Obviously no one should be partying, but that doesn’t exonerate the administration.

 

[T-Boone]

Wonder if he'll be party shaming them, and tell them to wear protection.

It could just be a random "f#ck Mic#igan" announcement to boost morale?

 

[IrishLax]

So I’m by no means a medical expert and also not currently on campus, but the 1000 tests performed this month seems woefully inadequate to me. There have been tweets and reddit posts all over of people claiming they wanted to get tested but that HERE didn’t have capacity. Apparently some students sought testing from the medical system in south bend? It seems to me that if you really want to try to have 8,000 kids congregated on/around campus in a global pandemic, you need to test every one of them at least once a week and have far more robust contact tracing. However, all of my opinion is shaded by a strong belief that it’s ridiculous to try to do in-person classes in a pandemic, as I think every college will discover over the next couple weeks.

What saddens me is that I’m already sure that administrations around the country who set up a scenario that could only lead to abject failure, are sure to say that it’s the student’s fault an outbreak happened, because they went to a party. Obviously no one should be partying, but that doesn’t exonerate the administration.

I think you have some valid criticisms in both your posts, but I also think big picture it's unrealistic to say ND needed to do "more" here. Tests are not unlimited nor are they free. And the bolded is what I disagree with.

They started off by screening everyone and making sure everyone returning to campus was cleared. Then they set up classrooms in a safe manner, and asked the kids to behave in a safe manner. We saw that what they were doing with the football team -- before students returned to campus -- was working perfectly. The administration created a safe environment full of cleared people... the people in that environment chose to break protocols and at that point no amount of testing/tracing is going to be rapid enough to stop an outbreak.

There is also no rationale for testing people who 1) have been cleared 2) have no symptoms 3) haven't been in contact with someone who has it. Where things went awry is students deciding to throw off campus parties and have people there who had been outside the "bubble" and had not been cleared. At that point, they did do contact tracing and told everyone who had been at that party to quarantine. It takes time to test and get test results back, so telling people who had been exposed but are asymptomatic to quarantine is exactly what you're supposed to do. They got undone by people not following instructions.

 

[House16]

I think you have some valid criticisms in both your posts, but I also think big picture it's unrealistic to say ND needed to do "more" here. Tests are not unlimited nor are they free. And the bolded is what I disagree with.

They started off by screening everyone and making sure everyone returning to campus was cleared. Then they set up classrooms in a safe manner, and asked the kids to behave in a safe manner. We saw that what they were doing with the football team -- before students returned to campus -- was working perfectly. The administration created a safe environment full of cleared people... the people in that environment chose to break protocols and at that point no amount of testing/tracing is going to be rapid enough to stop an outbreak.

There is also no rationale for testing people who 1) have been cleared 2) have no symptoms 3) haven't been in contact with someone who has it. Where things went awry is students deciding to throw off campus parties and have people there who had been outside the "bubble" and had not been cleared. At that point, they did do contact tracing and told everyone who had been at that party to quarantine. It takes time to test and get test results back, so telling people who had been exposed but are asymptomatic to quarantine is exactly what you're supposed to do. They got undone by people not following instructions.

Yeah so I agree with the majority of this, especially that tests are neither unlimited nor free. I guess what it comes down to is whether you believe it was reasonable to stake your plan on the ND student body not throwing a party. If you're of my mindset that it was inevitable that college kids would throw parties, then based on your thoughts above, no amount of testing/tracing could have stopped an outbreak and this whole experiment was doomed from the start. It feels like the only defense of bringing students back to campus then is if folks honestly believed that it was at least likely that no parties would be held, which seems dubious to me.

 

[Irish YJ]

It could just be a random "f#ck Mic#igan" announcement to boost morale?

He could also follow the Catholic party line and say condoms suck!

 

[notredomer23]

146 students tested positive with 0 hospitalizations.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">More details on Notre Dame’s spike in positive cases to 147 total.<br><br>Notre Dame reports no hospitalizations among that total and 146 were students, with one positive coming from a staff member. The majority of positive cases are seniors living off campus.</p>— Pete Sampson (@PeteSampson_) <a href="https://twitter.com/PeteSampson_/status/1295835052601942017?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 18, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[tussin]

I wonder if any colleges will just YOLO this on campus like we did with #Swine09

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Most of the positives being off-campus seniors should make quarantining them much easier than it otherwise would be.

 

[Irish YJ]

I wonder if any colleges will just YOLO this on campus like we did with #Swine09

Zero hospitalizations isn't going to freak anyone out who was already pro kids on campus.
Purely my opinion, but anyone who didn't expect cases popping up and climbing, was a bit naive. So long as the hospitalization rate is low, I'd be fine if I were a student or parent.

Hope the kids take this as a wake up about off campus parties. Keep them small, and students only.

 

[tussin]

I wonder if any colleges will just YOLO this on campus like we did with #Swine09

Every aspect of this post reveals my identity to be a washed up millennial.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

https://news.nd.edu/news/notre-dame-enacts-two-weeks-of-remote-instruction/

 

[Irish YJ]

https://news.nd.edu/news/notre-dame-enacts-two-weeks-of-remote-instruction/

This actually might help the FB team stay Covid free.

 

[Rack Em]

Every aspect of this post reveals my identity to be a washed up millennial.

Did Swine09 even exist? I barely even remember that on campus.

 

[irishfan]

Assuming and goes to full-online in two weeks, does the school have it in them to try and make football work? Similar to having football players on campus for the summer, but also framing the announcement that there would also be research students on campus?

Or does the school just shut it all down?

 

[Sea Turtle]

146 students tested positive with 0 hospitalizations.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">More details on Notre Dame’s spike in positive cases to 147 total.<br><br>Notre Dame reports no hospitalizations among that total and 146 were students, with one positive coming from a staff member. The majority of positive cases are seniors living off campus.</p>— Pete Sampson (@PeteSampson_) <a href="https://twitter.com/PeteSampson_/status/1295835052601942017?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 18, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Wow, this sounds really dangerous for college age men and women.

 

[NDRock]

Did Swine09 even exist? I barely even remember that on campus.

Actually had a buddy die from it. Was young but had some health problems (heart, overweight, etc.)

 

[Valpodoc85]

Bit early yet for hospitalization give it 3-4 days. The frustrating part of this is ND leadership saw they had a path to in person teaching, however, unlikely and elected to take it. IMHO leadership should acknowledge the most likely outcome and plan around that.

 

[Ndaccountant]

Zero hospitalizations isn't going to freak anyone out who was already pro kids on campus.
Purely my opinion, but anyone who didn't expect cases popping up and climbing, was a bit naive. So long as the hospitalization rate is low, I'd be fine if I were a student or parent.

Hope the kids take this as a wake up about off campus parties. Keep them small, and students only.

Couple of thoughts on this.

1) Parties off campus is a symptom, not the problem. Kids living off campus is the issue. Parties just spread it faster, but the spreading can/is likely to continue with interaction of those off-campus in day to day life.

2) ND was foolish to think this wouldn't happen. For the last 6 months you had kids locked up inside and most had the independence snatched from them. What in the living hell did they think would happen the first moment they all get back together again?

3) Students may or may not feel safe. But man, if you are in the at risk pool (or have loved ones that are) and are working at ND as a professor, support staff, or otherwise, you have to think twice about going to work. Its about the students and the greater community.

4) I am so glad I am not in college during this time period. All of this crap, at ND or any other school, is going to lead to an insane amount of public shaming on campus. "Guess who I caught not wearing a mask"; "These people don't want football"; "Can you believe she had 7 dudes during her bukkake session instead of the more responsible 3?" are all things students will nag each other over during the coming weeks.

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

We all knew this was going to happen, and this is why the Big 3 (Big 12, ACC, SEC) pushed back the start of their seasons. Let the kids come back, see what happens, and give yourself a month plus to react/ change.

Fingers crossed.

 

[Irish YJ]

Couple of thoughts on this.

1) Parties off campus is a symptom, not the problem. Kids living off campus is the issue. Parties just spread it faster, but the spreading can/is likely to continue with interaction of those off-campus in day to day life.

2) ND was foolish to think this wouldn't happen. For the last 6 months you had kids locked up inside and most had the independence snatched from them. What in the living hell did they think would happen the first moment they all get back together again?

3) Students may or may not feel safe. But man, if you are in the at risk pool (or have loved ones that are) and are working at ND as a professor, support staff, or otherwise, you have to think twice about going to work. Its about the students and the greater community.

4) I am so glad I am not in college during this time period. All of this crap, at ND or any other school, is going to lead to an insane amount of public shaming on campus. "Guess who I caught not wearing a mask"; "These people don't want football"; "Can you believe she had 7 dudes during her bukkake session instead of the more responsible 3?" are all things students will nag each other over during the coming weeks.

IMO, on campus kids go to off campus parties. I know I sure did in college. And college age kids staying home doesn't guarantee they actually stay at home. I've talked to too many parents of teens and college age kids who complain about their kids gathering too much, sneaking out, etc.. And all you have to do is turn on the news to see late teen and 20 something kids running around.

Risk pool people should not be going out plain and simple.