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How glorious would it be for Tennessee to catch Alabama peaking ahead to LSU? Rocky Top did a nice job exposing @ Auburn - that home crowd has to be starving for a marque win - when is the last time they beat anyone worth talking about?
 

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How glorious would it be for Tennessee to catch Alabama peaking ahead to LSU? Rocky Top did a nice job exposing @ Auburn - that home crowd has to be starving for a marque win - when is the last time they beat anyone worth talking about?


Won't happen. Tennessee doesn't have the offense to keep up. Bama by 21+ easy.
 

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True Chaos is if Clemson, ND, and OSU is undefeated.... Georgia beats Bama in the title game...

Will they really leave Bama out or will a 1 loss Bama hop one of the undefeateds...
 

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True Chaos is if Clemson, ND, and OSU is undefeated.... Georgia beats Bama in the title game...
What I'd predict:

1. Ohio State
2. Clemson
3. Notre Dame
4. Georgia
5. Alabama

What would probably be correct:

1. Ohio State
2. Notre Dame
3. Clemson
4. Alabama
5. Georgia

Alabama and Georgia would have identical records, with Alabama having far more impressive wins and a "better loss." They should get in over Georgia even with a head-to-head loss. Body of work. This would also never happen.

Will they really leave Bama out or will a 1 loss Bama hop one of the undefeateds...
If anything, the committee would be predisposed to be anti-Bama. Having the same team in every single year is bad for business. "Bama bias" isn't really bias because Bama is really that good.
 

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Here's an interesting article about ND possibly being ranked #1 when the initial CFP poll comes out.

Notre Dame No. 1? LSU over OSU? Five questions Playoff committee must confront soon | NCAA Football | Sporting News

From the article:
How do you sort out one-loss mess?
The most outrage might come with the one-loss teams. N.C. State (6-0) can put Clemson on that list with a victory Saturday, but there's a good chance the Wolfpack will join this list of 13 Power 5 one-loss teams in the rankings. It will be down to 12 when Washington State (5-1) and Oregon (5-1) meet on Saturday in what amounts to a Pac-12 elimination game.

The committee tends to value wins over losses, but there is such a thing as a "good loss." Here are the teams that lost to an opponent currently ranked in the AP Top 25:

School Loss (Current ranking) Score
Michigan at Notre Dame (4) 24-17
Georgia at LSU (5) 36-16
Oklahoma vs. Texas (7) 48-45
LSU at Florida (11) 27-19
Florida vs. Kentucky (14) 27-16
Kentucky at Texas A&M (17) 20-14
Iowa vs. Wisconsin (23) 28-17

Sorting out Michigan and Oklahoma with SEC teams like Florida and Georgia will be interesting to see. Expect those teams to be among the top 15, provided they win their games. Kentucky and Iowa might look too high, but they really aren't.

Most desirable and chaotic - VaTech, Michigan and USC or Stanford are conference champions, meaning Clemson and Ohio State are out and the ACC and Pac 12 champs each have two losses. Bama loses one. ND is undefeated. All others have one or two losses.

ESPN drools with ND, SEC champ, Texas and Michigan in the Playoff.
 
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From the article:


Most desirable and chaotic - VaTech, Stanford, Michigan and USC are conference champions, meaning Clemson and Ohio State are out and the ACC and Pac 12 champs each have two losses. Bama loses one. ND is undefeated. All others have one loss.

ESPN drools with ND, SEC champ, Texas and Michigan in the Playoff.


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Can I throw in West Virginia beats Texas and Oklahoma but loses the B12 championship? ND and the SEC champ are in. Michigan has won the B10 and is in. One loss Bama, Ohio State and Clemson are back in the discussion vying with the two loss conference champs for the last spot.
 
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From the article:


Most desirable and chaotic - VaTech, Michigan and USC or Stanford are conference champions, meaning Clemson and Ohio State are out and the ACC and Pac 12 champs each have two losses. Bama loses one. ND is undefeated. All others have one or two losses.

ESPN drools with ND, SEC champ, Texas and Michigan in the Playoff.

I'm not so sure Texas would get in over a one loss Bama. Bama is going to get every benefit of the doubt if they continue to pass the "eyeball test". I could see a scenario where they get in over Texas if they run the table and beat LSU, Auburn and Miss State convincingly and then play well but lose a close game to Georgia or Florida in the SEC title game, and Texas scrapes by to barely beat opponents on the back half of their schedule.

If it gets really chaotic, it'll be interesting to see what happens with UCF. They may be able to end their season with wins against three ranked opponents - Cincinnati, South Florida and a conference title game against Houston in all likelihood. ND has two common opponents with UCF, Pitt and Navy. They smoked Pitt and if they smoke Navy and Navy plays ND close, they can argue they played better against common opponents than a ND team that can potentially be ranked #1.

I can see it now:
-# 1 ND draws # 4 UCF first round of playoffs
-Michigan plays a Florida team that falls ass backwards into the playoffs after they beat a one loss bama team in the SEC title game due to a series of fluke plays.
-Florida goes on to beat Michigan, Harbaugh comes out to the presser topless, pasty white and loses his mind
-ND is a win away against mid major UCF and a Florida team that still can't figure out how the hell they found themselves in a title game.
-We're drunker than hell, a beer in one hand and an Irish whiskey in the other, foaming at the mouth waiting for kickoff.
-ND wins the toss and defers.
-Polian gets cute with the kickoff and UCF houses it on their way to a convincing win.
-We all sober up and have a meeting in the "Brian Kelly revisited" thread.
-So Notre Dame.
 
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I'm not so sure Texas would get in over a one loss Bama. Bama is going to get every benefit of the doubt if they continue to pass the "eyeball test". I could see a scenario where they get in over Texas if they run the table and beat LSU, Auburn and Miss State convincingly and then play well but lose a close game to Georgia or Florida in the SEC title game, and Texas scrapes by to barely beat opponents on the back half of their schedule.

If it gets really chaotic, it'll be interesting to see what happens with UCF. They may be able to end their season with wins against three ranked opponents - Cincinnati, South Florida and a conference title game against Houston in all likelihood. ND has two common opponents with UCF, Pitt and Navy. They smoked Pitt and if they smoke Navy and Navy plays ND close, they can argue they played better against common opponents than a ND team that can potentially be ranked #1.

I can see it now:
-# 1 ND draws # 4 UCF first round of playoffs
-Michigan plays a Florida team that falls ass backwards into the playoffs after they beat a one loss bama team in the SEC title game due to a series of fluke plays.
-Florida goes on to beat Michigan, Harbaugh comes out to the presser topless, pasty white and loses his mind
-ND is a win away against mid major UCF and a Florida team that still can't figure out how the hell they found themselves in a title game.
-We're drunker than hell, a beer in one hand and an Irish whiskey in the other, foaming at the mouth waiting for kickoff.
-ND wins the toss and defers.
-Polian gets cute with the kickoff and UCF houses it on their way to a convincing win.
-We all sober up and have a meeting in the "Brian Kelly revisited" thread.
-So Notre Dame.

This is my worry. If we are going to lose, I'd much rather play Bama or or another perennial power than UCF. Can you imagine the fallout if we get clobbered by UCF? Even if they are a really good team and deserving of being in the playoffs, the headlines would completely trash ND. Unless UCF actually wins the NC game, then it might be more respectable for ND to lose.
 

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Does LSU jump ND in a Bye Week?

ND has a win over the new #5 or #4 Michigan winner over #24 MSU AND Leader of The Big not just the former leader of an Eastern Division.
 

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Does LSU jump ND in a Bye Week?

ND has a win over the new #5 or #4 Michigan winner over #24 MSU AND Leader of The Big not just the former leader of an Eastern Division.
Lol no.

We open CFP at #2.
 

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Does LSU jump ND in a Bye Week?

ND has a win over the new #5 or #4 Michigan winner over #24 MSU AND Leader of The Big not just the former leader of an Eastern Division.

Not a chance, but I bet the vote gap closes a bit.
F Herb
 

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Does LSU jump ND in a Bye Week?

ND has a win over the new #5 or #4 Michigan winner over #24 MSU AND Leader of The Big not just the former leader of an Eastern Division.

Maybe, but LSU has to play bama so does it really matter?
 

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Lol no.

We open CFP at #2.

#3.
Clemson just beat an undefeated/ranked team handily, and will likely have beaten FSU and Louisville right before the poll comes out. Us, we had a bad game vs Pitt, bye, might struggle with Navy and/or NW. Things certainly can change, but I'd bet my money on ND at #3
 

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#3.
Clemson just beat an undefeated/ranked team handily, and will likely have beaten FSU and Louisville right before the poll comes out. Us, we had a bad game vs Pitt, bye, might struggle with Navy and/or NW. Things certainly can change, but I'd bet my money on ND at #3
Michigan is #5. Their only loss is to us. We have the best win in the country, except maybe Florida over LSU.
 

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#3.
Clemson just beat an undefeated/ranked team handily, and will likely have beaten FSU and Louisville right before the poll comes out. Us, we had a bad game vs Pitt, bye, might struggle with Navy and/or NW. Things certainly can change, but I'd bet my money on ND at #3


Agree. Even if the next two weeks go reasonably well for us, Clemson will probably get the 2 spot. I think the further in the rear view mirror the UM win gets, the less impact it has with the voters. 2 or 3 doesn’t really matter anyway as long as Bama continues pounding the awful teams they play (besides LSU).
 

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So long as we don't end up #4 I'm fine with whatever bullshit people want to say. ( I don't think we will if we go unbeaten.)
 

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So LSU had a win over Miss State, but how was MS ranked 22nd? They had lost twice and beaten nobody unless you count Auburn.
 

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Michigan is #5. Their only loss is to us. We have the best win in the country, except maybe Florida over LSU.

They look at the body of work, but they say they look strongly at what the teams are doing currently. If we don't look good vs Navy, I doubt we sniff 2. Even if we look good, I'd still bet we are 3.

And scUM's record/SoS is not perfect. The only currently ranked team come next poll
that (MichSt will drop) scUM has beaten is Wiscy,,,, and Wiscy IMO will struggle on the road this coming weekend and may drop out themselves.
 

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LSU lost to a Florida team that isn't good. Yeah top 25 maybe but that's all, certainly not the 11th best team in the country.

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https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/tomorrows-top-25-today-clemson-to-no-2-washington-state-soars-in-college-football-rankings/


Tomorrow's Top 25 Today: Clemson to No. 2, Washington State soars in college football rankings
Projecting the new AP Top 25 college football rankings after a busy Week 8

Chip Patterson 2h ago

Here's how we think the new AP Top 25 will look on Sunday:

1. Alabama (Last week -- 1): We're getting spoiled by Tua Tagovailoa's excellence to the point where a 19-for-29 passing game for 300+ yards and four touchdowns seems to count as an "off day." The Tide are a machine that will now go back into the shed for a week off and return to action in the biggest game of the season, at LSU on Nov. 3.

2. Clemson (3): After a week off, Clemson returned to action with its best total performance of the season. The defensive line set the tone, winning battles against NC State up front and pushing Ryan Finley off rhythm and out of his comfort zone.

3. Notre Dame (4): The Irish were off in Week 8.

4. LSU (5): Strong, dominant performance from LSU at home on Homecoming. This gives the Tigers a ton of good momentum heading into the off week and preparation for Alabama.

5. Michigan (6): A huge weight was lifted from Jim Harbaugh and this Michigan team, passing one of the most important tests of the season with a dominant defensive performance against Michigan State. Even in the low-scoring win there are good grades for Shea Patterson and the offense, which has started to hit on a few explosive plays even against the tougher foes on its schedule.

6. Texas (7): The Longhorns were off in Week 8.

7. Georgia (8): The Bulldogs were off in Week 8.

8. Oklahoma (9): Everything clicked for the Sooners against TCU. Kyler Murray had four touchdowns and only five incompletions (19 for 24), the offense rolled up 536 yards, 26 first downs, dominated the time of possession and most importantly had no turnovers.

9. Ohio State (2): The most dynamic offense in the Big Ten came to a halt against a Purdue team that ranked No. 81 nationally in yards per play allowed. It's not the result that makes sense, but it's the result that's going to result in a drop fro the Buckeyes in the polls.

10. UCF (10): Darriel Mack Jr. gets the credit for keeping UCF's playoff hopes alive, guiding the Knights to a win without McKenzie Milton, who missed the game because of a coaches' decision.

11. Florida (11): The Gators were off in Week 8.

12. Washington State (25): The Cougars are set to be the biggest mover in the poll on Sunday after taking down Oregon and making their presence known in the four-team Pac-12 North title race.

13. West Virginia (13): The Mountaineers were off in Week 8.

14. Kentucky (14): On a busy Saturday evening, I'm guessing most AP voters weren't tuned in to Kentucky and Vanderbilt's rock right. By winning 14-7, the Wildcats are almost guaranteed to hold steady in the polls.

15. Oregon (12): A small step back for the Ducks after taking their second loss of the season. The Washington win should put a pretty high floor on how far the Ducks might fall, but AP voters have been known to ignore head-to-head results in the past. It will be interesting to see where Oregon lands.

16. Washington (15): The Huskies defense dominated the second half against Colorado, holding the Buffs to just 86 yards of offense. It was a strong performance after the loss to Oregon, but we'll see if it left enough of an impression to get AP voters to push UW up the rankings.

17. Iowa (19): Is Iowa one of the best teams in the Big Ten? Right now, the Hawkeyes need some help in order to get to the Big Ten Championship Game because of its loss to Wisconsin earlier in the season, but it's not crazy to think that this year's group is going to have a shot at finishing the regular season with double-digit wins. Since that loss to the Badgers, Iowa has beaten its next three opponents by an average of 22 points per game.

18. Texas A&M (17): The Aggies were off in Week 8.

19. Penn State (18): With Iowa, Michigan and Wisconsin coming up on the schedule, Penn State could not afford to drop a third straight game. Any win, even a 33-28 nail-biter, is a positive in this tough spot on the road at Indiana.

20. NC State (16): I don't expect a big drop for NC State because it's still a one-loss team with a couple wins against likely bowl teams in the ACC. That profile may lack a ranked win but it's still one of the 20 best profiles in the country.

21. South Florida (21): The Bulls got pushed by UConn but held on for a 38-30 win. No reason to move the still-undefeated USF way up, but keep an eye on this team as a big mover soon.

22. Wisconsin (23): A seven-turnover affair with Illinois that included two Alex Hornibrook interceptions didn't make for a game that allowed for big-picture takeaways for this Wisconsin team. Jonathan Taylor (159 rushing yards) is very good, and the Badgers can ride him to a Big Ten title game, but it's hard to expect much more than that based on what we've seen.

23. Stanford (NR): The Cardinal have finally gotten back in line after a couple of losses and were able to do so with a hard-fought win at Arizona State without much of a contribution from a banged-up Bryce Love. It hasn't ever really been pretty this season for David Shaw's bunch, but with just two losses and a win over Oregon, they're still in the mix in the Pac-12 North.

24. Appalachian State (NR): The Mountaineers were just on the edge of the top 25 a week ago and after besting Louisiana in a letdown spot could be set to crack the national rankings.

25. Virginia (NR): By going on the road and knocking off Duke as a touchdown underdog, Virginia has jumped right into the thick of the ACC Coastal race and is potentially set to crash the top 25.

Projected to drop out: Cincinnati (20), Mississippi State (22), Michigan State (24)
 

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Michigan ended a 17 game Road Losing Streak to ranked Top 25 teams dating back to a win over ND in '06.
 

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Michigan ended a 17 game Road Losing Streak to ranked Top 25 teams dating back to a win over ND in '06.

Meh. Was really hoping they were going to continue to trip over their own d*** and lose that game. Sparty just couldn't find any offense and it eventually bit them in the ass at the end of the 3rd.
 

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Only 5 Unbeatens left.
 

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Meh. Was really hoping they were going to continue to trip over their own d*** and lose that game. Sparty just couldn't find any offense and it eventually bit them in the ass at the end of the 3rd.


Michigan ends the season at The Shoe where they can start a new streak ... if OSU can find a coach who can win. What's that Interim guy doing these days?
 

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#3.
Clemson just beat an undefeated/ranked team handily, and will likely have beaten FSU and Louisville right before the poll comes out. Us, we had a bad game vs Pitt, bye, might struggle with Navy and/or NW. Things certainly can change, but I'd bet my money on ND at #3

2, 3 -- doesn't matter as long as Bama is #1 and we're not #4
 
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