2017 NFL Draft

[NDdomer2]

Doesn't it seem like there is a lot more noise around Kizer? I know a lot of it is negative, but media and GM's seem to be talking about him more than any other QB in the draft. It just makes me think that some of these guys are trying to get him to fall to their team.

and he wore a gold helmet for college and talking about those guys gets clicks.

 

[woolybug25]

I got a 36 on my "wonderlick".... Beautiful waste of time.
Give it a shot.

50 Question Wonderlic Sample Test Exam | WTS

Just a heads up to everybody. Sounds like the test we took here is a bit different than the real Wonderlic.

Having taken sample tests online and now having taken the genuine article, there are some major differences.

1. You can't use a timer.

Online tests count you down from 12, and you can see it. Wonderlic doesn't let you see a clock and offers only a one-minute warning. You can't use a calculator either, only a couple of pieces of blank paper and a pencil.

2. Many questions are not multiple choice.

On the sample tests I had taken, many of the math questions were multiple choice. This enabled you to do a quick glance at the choices and move on quickly. Most of the math questions on my test, and the one given to the players, are fill-ins, which means you can't just take your chances guessing.

3. Not feeling pressure of time takes practice.

Whether they admit to it or not, many players study for the Wonderlic. It's a factor because teams still administer it, and some teams care about low scores or are impressed by higher scores. I took two practice tests and clearly was affected by the clock winding down. After the one-minute warning was given, I felt like I was essentially rendered useless.

Darren Rovell takes Wonderlic test, rethinks publishing leaked scores of NFL draft prospects

 

[johnnycando]

Why do you think I have to win all of them here?

Understood.

I'm with you.

 

[arrowryan]

A lot of reports coming out that say Cleveland is taking Trubisky. Lol Browns are gonna Brown!

 

[NDdomer2]

Just a heads up to everybody. Sounds like the test we took here is a bit different than the real Wonderlic.



Darren Rovell takes Wonderlic test, rethinks publishing leaked scores of NFL draft prospects

eh.. rovell still doubled the score of some of those guys at the bottom. 11's and 13's are embarrassing no matter how you slice it, imo.

 

[woolybug25]

eh.. rovell still doubled the score of some of those guys at the bottom. 11's and 13's are embarrassing no matter how you slice it, imo.

True, I was just saying that the one we took isn't really accurate to the real wonderlic.

 

[zelezo vlk]

True, I was just saying that the one we took isn't really accurate to the real wonderlic.

True. I thought it was fun to try my hand, but I didn't think it was the actual Wonderlic. Every year Bleacher Report et al. offer a "Wonderlic test" so we Joe Schmoes can see how we stack up to the elite athletes. After the 4th guy in my group of friends got a 45+ I figured we weren't seeing the same test as the foosball players.

 

[woolybug25]

True. I thought it was fun to try my hand, but I didn't think it was the actual Wonderlic. Every year Bleacher Report et al. offer a "Wonderlic test" so we Joe Schmoes can see how we stack up to the elite athletes. After the 4th guy in my group of friends got a 45+ I figured we weren't seeing the same test as the foosball players.

I'm actually not really surprised that these kids do poorly on it either. Considering there is a fair amount of math to do without the use of calculators. That is old school, these kids nowadays can't do free hand math... hell... they can't even read or write cursive.

 

[zelezo vlk]

I'm actually not really surprised that these kids do poorly on it either. Considering there is a fair amount of math to do without the use of calculators. That is old school, these kids nowadays can't do free hand math... hell... they can't even read or write cursive.

I wonder if the NFL should add a cursive writing segment to the Wonderlic. FTR, I can do all of those things, just very poorly.

 

[ACamp1900]

If they take MT 1, after passing on much more highly rated QBs last year while sitting at 2...

"I Bow Out"

They can get both MG and MT if they really want them, tho why the hell they would want MT so bad is freakin beyond me... get the defense built, give Brock and Cody a chance this year, and if it doesn't work then get one of the many expected first round QBs next year.

 

[dublinirish]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">DeShone Kizer will be on <a href="https://twitter.com/dpshow">@dpshow</a> in about 20 minutes. NBCSN.</p>— BlueandGold.com (@BGInews) <a href="https://twitter.com/BGInews/status/857612337490145280">April 27, 2017</a></blockquote>
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[ACamp1900]

"Myles Garrett, no matter what."..... or maybe Solomon Thomas, or Jamal Adams... just not a third round graded quarter back.

 

[woolybug25]

If they take MT 1, after passing on much more highly rated QBs last year while sitting at 2...

"I Bow Out"

They can get both MG and MT if they really want them, tho why the hell they would want MT so bad is freakin beyond me... get the defense built, give Brock and Cody a chance this year, and if it doesn't work then get one of the many expected first round QBs next year.

I'm not convinced they can get MT with the 12th pick. They would probably have to trade up from 12, which even then, doesn't guarantee anything.

 

[woolybug25]

McShay just changed his #1 overall pick in his mock to Trubinsky.

 

[ACamp1900]

Fun little factoid:

This is really the first time ever the Browns have 'earned' the first overall pick. They had the first overall pick in 1954 but were coming off a season where they went 11-1 and lost the NFL title came, (not sure how they got the first overall) ... they also had the 12th pick that year oddly. They drafted first overall two other times but those were results of expanding back into the league in the last 90s.

In the 54 draft they took a QB named Garrett, lol, first overall... he never played for the team.

 

[RDU Irish]

Bears trade #3 to Browns for #12 and #33 - Browns get MT and MG. Brownies get their two top choices and Bears get an extra impact player or blow the extra on a certain developmental QB. The value up high is in DL, IMO, plenty of S/CB/LB help deeper in the draft than to reach with a top five pick. I think Bears could use an impact DL but worry they won't take one. If they don't want one then get the hell out of the top 5 and trade down for extra picks!

 

[zelezo vlk]

Bears trade #3 to Browns for #12 and #33 - Browns get MT and MG. Brownies get their two top choices and Bears get an extra impact player or blow the extra on a certain developmental QB. The value up high is in DL, IMO, plenty of S/CB/LB help deeper in the draft than to reach with a top five pick. I think Bears could use an impact DL but worry they won't take one. If they don't want one then get the hell out of the top 5 and trade down for extra picks!

The Bears could get much more than that in a trade, especially if a QB is involved. I'd not at all be happy to trade down 9 spots for just 33.

 

[woolybug25]

The Bears could get much more than that in a trade, especially if a QB is involved. I'd not at all be happy to trade down 9 spots for just 33.

and the 12th he said. We are essentially moving down 9 spots and getting the first pick in the second round. I would do that in a red second.

 

[ACamp1900]

If the Browns would get Garrett and Adams in that I'd be super happy with that... but they'd take that UNC hack.

 

[zelezo vlk]

and the 12th he said. We are essentially moving down 9 spots and getting the first pick in the second round. I would do that in a red second.

I wouldn't. I don't take the trade value charts as Gospel, but they do show that it's being fleeced. If you think the difference between Solomon Thomas Jamal Adams etc and the next tier is small enough, fine. But the Bears could definitely get way more than 33 for dropping 9 spots and missing on one of the elite talents.

 

[IrishLion]

The more QB's that go before #9, the better for the Bengals. Hopefully the Browns do trade up, and hopefully the Jets reach for a QB.

 

[woolybug25]

I wouldn't. I don't take the trade value charts as Gospel, but they do show that it's being fleeced. If you think the difference between Solomon Thomas Jamal Adams etc and the next tier is small enough, fine. But the Bears could definitely get way more than 33 for dropping 9 spots and missing on one of the elite talents.

I do think that you can get really good guys at both positions later in the draft, especially at #12. Furthermore, a bunch of teams in the top ten are looking to trade down, so you can't demand the moon and the stars and get it. The Browns know damn well we aren't picking Trubisky at #3, but they can't be sure that he wont be picked by the Jaguars, Jet's or Bills. So they have plenty of trade partners if they chose to.

 

[zelezo vlk]

I do think that you can get really good guys at both positions later in the draft, especially at #12. Furthermore, a bunch of teams in the top ten are looking to trade down, so you can't demand the moon and the stars and get it. The Browns know damn well we aren't picking Trubisky at #3, but they can't be sure that he wont be picked by the Jaguars, Jet's or Bills. So they have plenty of trade partners if they chose to.

This is why it's the Bears that they need to suit, and not anybody else. I imagine the Niners are asking for the Moon, and the Bears just need to be a little lower to clinch the deal. Though I like guys in the second tier like Barnett, Hooker etc, I'd prefer to stick with Jamal Adams or Solomon Thomas, who are the elite prospects in this class. If it's not a big return (multiple seconds or next year's 1st), tell the Browns to pound sand.

 

[RDU Irish]

I wouldn't. I don't take the trade value charts as Gospel, but they do show that it's being fleeced. If you think the difference between Solomon Thomas Jamal Adams etc and the next tier is small enough, fine. But the Bears could definitely get way more than 33 for dropping 9 spots and missing on one of the elite talents.

The breadth of needs for the Bears and the way this draft stacks up - I would expect an elite talent would be there at #12 for either S, TE, CB, LB - especially if a bunch of yahoos are shooting for QBs like the Brownies. They (supposedly) don't need a DE - (I disagree and would take Garrett, Thomas or Allen as those talents at those positions are invaluable IMO). But if they are looking for S/CB/LB - one of Adams, Reddick, Conley, Hooker, Lattimore will be available at 12. If not OJ Howard isn't a bad way to go either. It is a question of getting 3 of the top 35 instead of two - at the cost of a top five pick. For their needs, I think it fits nicely.

In this draft I think that is a good trade to make and - like you say - you can probably entice that out of someone based on the "charts". Decent chance they could get Browns to add one of their three 5th round picks to the mix.

 

[woolybug25]

This is why it's the Bears that they need to suit, and not anybody else. I imagine the Niners are asking for the Moon, and the Bears just need to be a little lower to clinch the deal. Though I like guys in the second tier like Barnett, Hooker etc, I'd prefer to stick with Jamal Adams or Solomon Thomas, who are the elite prospects in this class. If it's not a big return (multiple seconds or next year's 1st), tell the Browns to pound sand.

I'm not following your logic here. Why not just offer the Jags the same thing if we say no?

I don't think there are really any super elite talents outside of Garrett in this draft. I love Adams and hope we get him, but if we traded down and got Hooker, then used the extra pick on say... Peppers. I would take that 2-1 over Adams.

 

[zelezo vlk]

I'm not following your logic here. Why not just offer the Jags the same thing if we say no?

I don't think there are really any super elite talents outside of Garrett in this draft. I love Adams and hope we get him, but if we traded down and got Hooker, then used the extra pick on say... Peppers. I would take that 2-1 over Adams.

There's absolutely no guarantee that Hooker would be there at 12; he's been linked to the Chargers from the very beginning of the process.

My logic in who the Browns can talk to about trading is this:

1. We want Trubsiky
2. We need to trade up to bypass teams who will pick him.
3. The Jags are a team that want Mitchell.

Conclusion: The Browns need to trade above the Jags to the Bears spot. Now if the Jags don't actually want Trubisky, then yes, the Bears do not have as much leverage. But if they do, and recent reports have said they do, then the Browns need to get to at least #3.

That's my logic.

 

[ACamp1900]

How in the holy fuck all have we gotten to a world where multiple teams chase QBs with 2nd round grades like this??? It's the ultimate team game where no player is on the field half the freakin time and yet we've all tricked ourselves into believing this bs about the pretty-boy QB savior. Much more often than not: show me a QB on a good team, and I'll show you some guy who isn't as good as everyone thinks who gets all the credit, and inversely show me a stud QB on a bad team and I'll show you some guy who is considered a bust.

 

[RDU Irish]

I hate the idea of taking a safety in the top 5 - if Adams is the pick I think it is a waste of a top 5 pick. If not one of the top DL, I very much prefer getting an extra pick this year in the top 40.

 

[ACamp1900]

I've seen some Browns insiders kind of laugh at the MT stuff... I wonder if Sashi and CO have a defender they really want at 12 and are seeing if they can create a panic run on QBs so someone falls to them at 12????

 

[RDU Irish]

How in the holy fuck all have we gotten to a world where multiple teams chase QBs with 2nd round grades like this??? It's the ultimate team game where no player is on the field half the freakin time and yet we've all tricked ourselves into believing this bs about the pretty-boy QB savior. Much more often than not: show me a QB on a good team, and I'll show you some guy who isn't as good as everyone thinks who gets all the credit, and inversely show me a stud QB on a bad team and I'll show you some guy who is considered a bust.

Andrew Luck says "Hi".

Mike Glennon can get it done for the Bears - they are better off getting a TE like Howard to help Glennon than chasing a QB with a small chance of being the future - and definitely won't help them this year.