2016 Presidential Horse Race

[IrishLax]

And cause meet effect. I think it is a solvable problem as a result. The ultimate irony being the same people hating on Trump will have him to thank when they are not stereotyped as illegals due to the color of their skin anymore.

If you kids never hate you, you aren't doing your job.

Straight talk, the very few Latinos who I know that voted for Trump did so with this as one of their main logic points. They think illegal immigration makes them, as a group of people, look bad. Accordingly, they want illegals gone/no more undocumented people coming in.

 

[kmoose]

Laws most certainly can be and are discriminatory. As well as implementation of laws. Are all laws? No. But thats not what I asked and not what you said.

Well lets look at white collar crimes. Are punishments for white collar crimes similar or same to blue collar crimes. No way. Blue collar crimes have significantly disproportionate jail terms, and future repercussions to family units among other things, than white collar crimes.

The CEO of Wells Fargo isnt serving any jail time for knowingly committing millions of dollars of financial fraud, however a 3-time AA drug user gets life.

But a white 3x drug law loser gets the same sentence as a brown 3x drug law loser. Maybe the drug laws disproportionately affect certain demographics because certain demographics are more involved in the drug trade?

 

[BobbyMac]

What's your point? It is much less white than it has been. Was super white when ND was living there. It has an airport named after John Wayne. It's where Nixon was from (although he'd be an R.I.N.O. now a days). Wally George got his start there as did B-1 Bob. It's one of the cradles of the looney bin white nationalist conservatism you see today.

Have lived in South OC where the very white folks are, lived in North County San Diego, live in Scottsdale, AZ, I'm from Indiana and have even lived in Kentucky. OC is the least looney bin white nationalist conservative of those places. Those days are over. Pretty sure all the people you're referring to retired and bought ranches in Wyoming.

 

[phgreek]

This video is amazing. Look at the rage in Trump's eyes. This video could be a Marvel movie about the origins of a supervillain.

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...some say this moment in 2011 is, at least in part, responsible for 11/9/2016.

Smug, condescending, spiteful behavior directed toward a guy like Trump gets you a boomerang full of all that shit. Hope they both enjoy Trump's policy initiatives.

I do think Trump could effectively utilize Mr. Obama in a practical way. I would ask him to stay on the Federal Payroll as a special appointee, and go to Chicago to direct an initiative to settle that shit down. I'd give him the power to direct the national guard, and whatever resources he needed. Would go a long way to solve a real problem and mend some fences.

 

[BobbyMac]

...some say this moment in 2011 is, at least in part, responsible for 11/9/2016.

Smug, condescending, spiteful behavior directed toward a guy like Trump gets you a boomerang full of all that shit. Hope they both enjoy Trump's policy initiatives.

I do think Trump could effectively utilize Mr. Obama in a practical way. I would ask him to stay on the Federal Payroll as a special appointee, and go to Chicago to direct an initiative to settle that shit down. I'd give him the power to direct the national guard, and whatever resources he needed. Would go a long way to solve a real problem and mend some fences.

...and when he couldn't get Chicago's south and west sides to shape up, the last bit of luster would fade from this one time gem.

But seriously, who'd think a chauffeured white boy from Hawaii could clean up Chicago anyways?

 

[DomerInHappyValley]

Sorry guys...a little bit of a rant this morning...

Are we just about done with the special snowflakes and their reality freakout over the results of a "free and fair election"? I read a bunch of articles and social media posts and saw a bunch of videos and watched the news...I mean seriously, what is wrong with these people? To feel bad, ok, go ahead...but to protest not an action but a result that just didn't turn out in your favor wnd have those protests turn over to riots and vandalism...it doesn't exactly make the D party look very good.

When the Cubs won, did the people in Cleveland cry, stage protests, riot, and cause harm to people and property? When the Cavs won, did the Golden State fans do it? When Obama won, did people take to the streets and teachers cancel classes and constantly post to Facebook self important posts about it being the end of the USA. There are stories and some evidence that there is professional organization to some of this. Lovely... The celebrities who said they'd leave...no one thought they actually would and most say they were just joking, riiiiihgt.

Personally, if the election didn't turn out the way you wanted, sorry, not sorry. Some will and some won't. I am not even 50 and i know I have liked the results and not liked the results of many elections, but I have never cried over it or taken to the streets to cause damage. You know, I even grant a little bit of leeway to the younger voters if this is their first election voting and maybe (possibly) some to people voting in their second, but if you are 26 and doing any of this stuff, please pull yourself together and act like the adult you claim to be. Lear something if you haven't already...

The world is not and never has been or probably ever will be unicorns and rainbows in gumdrop houses on lollipop lane.

THERE IS REALITY

...and you know what, the reality is that we live in pretty good country...I and many other think it is the best in the world. Prefect? Not a chance, sweetheart. We are human. We have our flaws. Racism and sexism and all of that DO exist and will continue to. Inequality and hatred do as well. But you know what, look back in history. Even our own brief history of the USA. Notice something? Things have gotten better in all of those areas. I believe they still will no mater who is in office. It is not always a straight line but things get better, we continue forward as a nation.

Everything gets better when we work together. If you do not like something, work to change it. Crying and whining and stompy footing and burning and assaulting are NOT working for change. CHANGE DOES NOT JUST HAPPEN! YOU HAVE TO WORK FOR IT! You don't like the result of the election? Work and organize and put forward a candidate that stands for what you want, and then work to make others understand why their way is better. I mean this for not just D's but R's too as many of them did not want DJT but he is what we were left with as the candidate that came somewhat closer to our views than HRC. For all sides, putting the other person down does not get as many people voting as giving them something to vote for. I am guilty of this as well, I am not excusing myself. I had the old South Park Giant Douche vs Sh!t sandwich conundrum and took the Giant Douche. The candidates try to give people something to vote FOR sometimes, but most of the time they spend more time giving you something to vote against. Ronald Reagan, Bill Clinton, and Barack Obama are the ones in my voting lifetime that have done the best at trying to give people more of something to vote FOR, not that I necessarily like all of their policies, but they worked on presenting the vision thing (TM GHWB).

I need to end the amorpuous, stream of consciousness rant and get some work done and apologize for going off the rails a bit.

Let just say this to the D party. I do not like DJT as a person and how he tends to act, but I think our country was not moving in the right direction in a number of areas. If you want me to vote for your people, GIVE ME A REASON TO. Yes, I am a white catholic male, but I do not feel that I am sexist, racist, etc, etc, etc, so do not assume that I am. Do not automatically write me off. If you can convince me that the majority of what you want to do is viable and will be good for the country, you can have my vote. However, I am not a 1 issue person. Most everyone I know are not 1 one issue voters (and I do know and have lots of family on both sides of the aisle).

Lastly...if people rioting and denigrating the people who voted for Trump honestly believe that what you are doing will help improve things in our country or draw more people to your cause all I can do is shake my head and worry about the future of our nation and the future for my child.

/thus endeth the rant

Have a good weekend everyone and Thanks to all who have served/are serving our nation in the military. God bless you and God bless the USA

The newest rallying cry is that Hilary won the popular vote and we should dismantle the electoral college.
I guess the fact Trump won the popular vote in more states than Hillary has slipped their mind.

What we're seeing is two different things now I think.
1) What's been called liberal arrogance. The thought that people who live in the country aren't smart enough to know what's good for themselves. Which is why the Reagan Democrats turned out for Trump the way they did.

2) These special little snowflakes bought into the identity politics that Hillary played to get their support. These are the same people who attacked a bakery owner for their personal beliefs on gay marriage and their refusal to bake a cake and were told they were right to do so, but when one of their own institute a male tax in a business they own they cheer and support them and believe they are in the right when no one turns out to protest that business.

It's the bubble they live in.

 

[Ndaccountant]

This video is amazing. Look at the rage in Trump's eyes. This video could be a Marvel movie about the origins of a supervillain.

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https://www.buzzfeed.com/mckaycoppins/how-the-haters-made-trump?utm_term=.lnb78Z9Y6#.pljMY2B85

That dinner and the aftermath, specifically Mitt, is mentioned here. Interesting read, even if it is only one author's viewpoint.

The longer the night went on, the more conspicuous Trump’s glower became. He didn’t offer a self-deprecating chuckle, or wave warmly at the cameras, or smile with the practiced good humor of the aristocrats and A-listers who know they must never allow themselves to appear threatened by a joke at their expense. Instead, Trump just sat there, stone-faced, stunned, simmering — Carrie at the prom covered in pig’s blood

Looking back on that night, Favreau and Lovett told me they were torn about having added weight to the chip on Trump’s shoulder. “I really don’t take any pleasure in Trump being the nominee, sincerely, even if it means they lose,” Lovett said. “If only we hadn’t made that joke, maybe we’d have peace in our time.”

But right at that moment, Trump had not yet formulated his face-saving plan. So when a reporter caught him on his way out and asked if he liked the jokes, Trump couldn’t come up with anything to say but the truth.
“No,” he replied, unusually quiet. “Not really.”

.....

A couple weeks after the dinner, Trump announced that he was bowing out of 2012 contention. Even though he was leading in “polls across the country,” he wasn’t “ready to leave the private sector” — especially his stake in “the number one show on NBC.” (That month the season finale of Celebrity Apprentice notched its worst ratings in franchise history, and a new primary poll showed Trump in fifth place.)
No matter — Trump was now in demand. His decision not to run had delivered, however fleetingly, that feeling of political A-list status that he so craved. Republican presidential prospects begin voyaging to Trump Tower to kiss his ring. Trump liked this, but it was the visit from Mitt Romney — grandee of the establishment, golden boy of the donor class — that left him feeling truly special. “We hit it off really well, better than I expected,” Trump said on CNN.
He did not know, when their meeting in Trump Tower ended, that Romney was planning to sneak out a side door so as to avoid the press; that Mitt’s campaign manager had made clear at the outset of this shameful trip that he wanted “no fucking pictures”; that the candidate’s aides would spend the rest of the day cracking jokes about the Donald’s taste in decor and patently inflated net worth.
Trump announced his endorsement of Romney in February 2012 at his Las Vegas hotel. He bragged to reporters about how hard the campaign had worked to win him over, and made a point of repeatedly plugging his hotel, which, the press learned, was “number one in Nevada” and also “the tallest building in Nevada.”
“Have you ever seen a press conference this big?” he asked Andrea Saul, the campaign’s spokeswoman and designated Trump whisperer.
“Oh, never, Mr. Trump,” she replied, suppressing a smirk. Saul and her fellow campaign staffers politely waited until he was out of earshot before they began laughing.
It went like this all through 2012, and after a while Trump started to catch on. Calls to campaign headquarters went unreturned for days. When I interviewed him in 2014, he became especially exercised as he recalled how the campaign had declined his offer to stump for Romney in Florida. “I mean, Florida?” Trump sputtered. “I do great in Florida! They love me in Florida! I employ a lot in Florida. They love me… I could have helped him carry Florida. For some reason I just kept waiting.”
But for Trump, the ultimate insult came at the Republican National Convention in Tampa. “Everybody wanted me to make a keynote speech,” Trump told me. “People were writing me thousands of letters and emails, all going crazy.” Yet despite the pleading of these vast letter-writing multitudes, the Romney campaign turned him down. Trump was indignant. “What, I wouldn’t say the right thing?” he told me. “Hey, I went to the Wharton School of Finance. I did great.” Anyway, as consolation, the campaign said he could produce a short video to show at the convention — but in the end, even that got scuttled.

Trump told me that Romney and his advisers were simply “afraid of me” — worried about how much less presidential Mitt would look compared to him. But people close to Trump said he has never stopped seething over the campaign’s convention snubs. “They treated him like shit,” said one confidante. (Romney emerged earlier this year as a leading spokesman of the GOP’s anti-Trump faction, but when I tried to arrange an interview with him on the subject, I was informed that he was summering with his family at their lake house in New Hampshire and would be unavailable for comment.)
As the election neared its end, Trump saw no point in trying to adhere to the Romney campaign’s rules of political propriety. In October, he made a big show of offering $5 million to Obama’s charity of choice if the president would release his college transcripts — a stunt that drew near-universal derision.
On election night, Trump bolted from the Boston hotel where the Romney campaign was holding its party as soon as it became clear that he wasn’t going to win. He had no interest in hobnobbing with haters and losers. Ascending into the sky on his helicopter, Trump dictated a series of tweets to an aide calling for mass political mutiny.
“This election is a total sham and a travesty. We are not a democracy!”
“Let’s fight like hell and stop this great and disgusting injustice!”
“Revolution!”

 

[Cackalacky]

But a white 3x drug law loser gets the same sentence as a brown 3x drug law loser. Maybe the drug laws disproportionately affect certain demographics because certain demographics are more involved in the drug trade?

Nope. Drug use between demographics, particularly white and blacks have no significant statistical variance. However, due to cultural differences between inner cities and suburbs, police activities and investigations are performed much more in areas affecting specific demographics. According to your stance these should be the same becasue laws and implementation of laws are equal and not discriminatory

Per the ACLU:

6. The Cost of Imprisoning 3-Time Losers For Life
Will Be Prohibitively High

The passage of "3 Strikes" laws will lead to a significant increase in the nation's already swollen prison population, at enormous cost to taxpayers. Today, it costs about $20,000 per year to confine a young, physically fit offender. But "3 Strikes" laws would create a huge, geriatric prison population that would be far more expensive to care for. The estimated cost of maintaining an older prisoner is three times that required for a younger prisoner -- about $60,000 per year.

The cost might be worth it if older prisoners represented a danger to society. But experts tell us that age is the most powerful crime reducer. Most crimes are committed by men between the ages of 15 and 24. Only one percent of all serious crimes are committed by people over age 60.

7. "3 Strikes" Will Have a Disproportionate Impact
On Minority Offenders

Racial bias in the criminal justice system is rampant. African American men, in particular, are overrepresented in all criminal justice statistics: arrests, victimizations, incarceration and executions.

This imbalance is largely the result of the "war on drugs." Although studies show that drug use among blacks and whites is comparable, many more blacks than whites are arrested on drug charges. Why? because the police find it easier to concentrate their forces in inner city neighborhoods, where drug dealing tends to take place on the streets, than to mount more costly and demanding investigations in the suburbs, where drug dealing generally occurs behind closed doors. Today, one in four young black men is are under some form of criminal sanction, be it incarceration, probation or parole.

Because many of these laws include drug offenses as prior "strikes," more black than white offenders will be subject to life sentences under a "3 Strikes" law.

8. "3 Strikes" Laws Will Impose Life Sentences on Offenders Whose Crimes Don't Warrant Such Harsh Punishment

Although "3 Strikes" sponsors claim that their purpose is to protect society from only the most dangerous felons, many of the "3 Strikes" proposals encompass a broad range of criminal conduct, from rape to minor assaults. In an open letter to the Washington State voters, more than 20 current and former prosecutors urged the public to vote against the "3 Strikes" proposal. To explain why they opposed the law's passage, they described the following scenario:

"An 18-year old high school senior pushes a classmate down to steal his Michael Jordan $150 sneakers -- Strike One; he gets out of jail and shoplifts a jacket from the Bon March, pushing aside the clerk as he runs out of the store -- Strike Two; he gets out of jail, straightens out, and nine years later gets in a fight in a bar and intentionally hits someone, breaking his nose -- criminal behavior, to be sure, but hardly the crime of the century, yet it is Strike Three. He is sent to prison for the rest of his life."

 

[ACamp1900]

I had one encounter of students complaining about a professor advocating California leaving the Union but aside from that I was reading all this insanity on college campuses across the country this morning and actually thought how I was lucky to work for the school I do since it seems that those of all walks of life here can actually handle reality... not even one minute after that I get a mass email offering support and counseling sessions to anyone who just can't deal with the results...........

 

[connor_in]

I had one encounter of students complaining about a professor advocating California leaving the Union but aside from that I was reading all this insanity on college campuses across the country this morning and actually thought how I was lucky to work for the school I do since it seems that those of all walks of life here can actually handle reality... not even one minute after that I get a mass email offering support and counseling sessions to anyone who just can't deal with the results...........

My teacher wife who does not vote and thus does not complain about it, just rolls with the punches and lives with whatever occurs, told me the day after the election that one of her teacher friends came in and was worried for her job thinking that because DJT won, that the schools would be shut down in the near future. She was NOT KIDDING per my wife, she looked sad and scared.

 

[phgreek]

...and when he couldn't get Chicago's south and west sides to shape up, the last bit of luster would fade from this one time gem.

But seriously, who'd think a chauffeured white boy from Hawaii could clean up Chicago anyways?

...media would never label anything the first black president did as a failure...highlighting even the most rudimentary achievements as "progress"...thats why Trumnp couldn't lose by doing it.

I do believe 8 years in office may have taught Mr. Obama a thing or two...would like to see if we can get something out of our investment in his training.

I'm not sure President Obama would do it...I think he's had his fill of shit that he can't control. I suspect he's headed for academia.

 

[connor_in]

...media would never label anything the first black president did as a failure...highlighting even the most rudimentary achievements as "progress"...thats why Trumnp couldn't lose by doing it.

I do believe 8 years in office may have taught Mr. Obama a thing or two...would like to see if we can get something out of our investment in his training.

I'm not sure President Obama would do it...I think he's had his fill of shit that he can't control. I suspect he's headed for academia.

I am told that there is good money in speaking gigs and starting your own foundation.

 

[DomerInHappyValley]

...media would never label anything the first black president did as a failure...highlighting even the most rudimentary achievements as "progress"...thats why Trumnp couldn't lose by doing it.

I do believe 8 years in office may have taught Mr. Obama a thing or two...would like to see if we can get something out of our investment in his training.

I'm not sure President Obama would do it...I think he's had his fill of shit that he can't control. I suspect he's headed for academia.

I get the feeling the Mrs. Obama might wanna make a run at political office.

 

[phgreek]

I get the feeling the Mrs. Obama might wanna make a run at political office.

Most certainly...and she'll get her chance. Maybe Trump should ask her to go fix Chicago...great way to launch a career in politics.

 

[phgreek]

I am told that there is good money in speaking gigs and starting your own foundation.

only if your spouse is on the other end doling out the play...allegedly.

 

[connor_in]

only if your spouse is on the other end doling out the play...allegedly.

Oh, I am sure Bill is still doling out the play (per Colin Powell)

 

[connor_in]

I get the feeling the Mrs. Obama might wanna make a run at political office.

Chelsea Clinton being groomed to run for Congress | New York Post

 

[BobbyMac]

But a white 3x drug law loser gets the same sentence as a brown 3x drug law loser. Maybe the drug laws disproportionately affect certain demographics because certain demographics are more involved in the drug trade?

Nope. Drug use between demographics, particularly white and blacks have no significant statistical variance. However, due to cultural differences between inner cities and suburbs, police activities and investigations are performed much more in areas affecting specific demographics. According to your stance these should be the same becasue laws and implementation of laws are equal and not discriminatory

Drug trade and drug use are two different things. Are there any reliable stats that show percent of traffickers per race?

 

[wizards8507]

No its absolutely not. American citizens who commit crimes are protected by the constitution and allowed access to such provisions per each state in which the crime was committed. De-fine an un-american activitiy (LOL) that would not be either subject to laws established by the Constitution or as an enemy combatant (lol).

So know we pivot to redundnacy....Am I to believe that you, the champion of SMALL government that, you would be acceptable of a cabinet level federal group that's whole existence is redundant to State and local governments, the DOJ, and FBI for American Citizens, or redundant to terrorist departments such as DHS and the CIA, NSA?
As progressive as I am that is completely ridiculous.

Jayhawk described it as "scary." I never suggested it was a good idea, I just think "scary" is a tad overboard.

 

[Cackalacky]

Drug trade and drug use are two different things. Are there any reliable stats that show percent of traffickers per race?

Although shifting the discussion typically occurs with kmoose when going back and forth, I dont know why he chose traffickers in response to me when I said users initially. There is no statistical difference between users and race. There is overwhelming evidence that the laws and enforcement activities are discriminatory. I will give him the benefit of the doubt here though, I probably should not.

Its possible he wants to pivot to an aspect of this discussion that could be construed as Mexicans illegally bringing in drugs and therefore would fit his narrative but that is not anywhere near the point I am making.

 

[Cackalacky]

Jayhawk described it as "scary." I never suggested it was a good idea, I just think "scary" is a tad overboard.

This is such a backpedal. Just say "this^^^^^^" instead of vehemently disagreeing, then having me have to disprove your vehemence with evidence only to have you say... "well this is what I meant", when in reality its not even close to what you said.

 

[Ndaccountant]

Although shifting the discussion typically occurs with kmoose when going back and forth, I dont know why he chose traffickers in response to me when I said users initially. There is no statistical difference between users and race. There is overwhelming evidence that the laws and enforcement activities are discriminatory. I will give him the benefit of the doubt here though, I probably should not.

Its possible he wants to pivot to an aspect of this discussion that could be construed as Mexicans illegally bringing in drugs and therefore would fit his narrative but that is not anywhere near the point I am making.

I think that depends on how you read the data. The last one that I have seen is below. Now, you can choose to look at drug use within one's lifetime and/or within the past year, but I do think that frequency of use is more important here, which is why the last columns are the most important - use within the last month. Depending on the year, you would get a 23% difference between white and African American or 15%. I would call that statistically meaningful. Might not be enough to explain the disparities in law enforcement, but meaningful none the less.

 

[Cackalacky]

I think that depends on how you read the data. The last one that I have seen is below. Now, you can choose to look at drug use within one's lifetime and/or within the past year, but I do think that frequency of use is more important here, which is why the last columns are the most important - use within the last month. Depending on the year, you would get a 23% difference between white and African American or 15%. I would call that statistically meaningful. Might not be enough to explain the disparities in law enforcement, but meaningful none the less.

We can also make it more complicated including legal drug abuse such as prescription drugs which are not counted as illicits I believe and other limitations but day in day out ( as in monthly/daily usage), the uses are typically the same between race for illicits. I see that the lifetime uses tend to be skewed becasue whites may have more access to effective treatment compared to minorites.

http://www.vocativ.com/291203/white-people-do-more-drugs-black-people-serve-more-time/

 

[wizards8507]

This is such a backpedal. Just say "this^^^^^^" instead of vehemently disagreeing, then having me have to disprove your vehemence with evidence only to have you say... "well this is what I meant", when in reality its not even close to what you said.

You're smarter than that.

I don't support Trump, for example, but I'm going to defend him when someone says "Trump is literally Hitler." Use some capacity for nuance. Arguing that Jayhawk's criticism of Newt is unfounded is not the same as advocating for what Newt said.

Likewise, imagine someone said "global warming is man-made so we need to ban fossil fuels by 2018." I assume you'd agree that banning fossil fuels in a year is idiotic, but that doesn't mean you're advocating for a position that climate change is a fiction.

 

[IrishBroker]

We can also make it more complicated including legal drug abuse such as prescription drugs which are not counted as illicits I believe and other limitations but day in day out ( as in monthly/daily usage), the uses are typically the same between race for illicits. I see that the lifetime uses tend to be skewed becasue whites may have more access to effective treatment compared to minorites.

http://www.vocativ.com/291203/white-people-do-more-drugs-black-people-serve-more-time/

"Drug related offenses"...is extremely broad. I mean, you cannot compare a guy getting caught with a little weed...to a guy moving pounds of it. What is their criteria here?

And this chart only says "tried at least once in their lifetime"

 

[Cackalacky]

"Drug related offenses"...is extremely broad. I mean, you cannot compare a guy getting caught with a little weed...to a guy moving pounds of it. What is their criteria here?

And this chart only says "tried at least once in their lifetime"

Regarding the MAIN topic here is the relevant, most current report that has been used:
http://www.samhsa.gov/data/sites/default/files/NSDUH-DetTabs2014/NSDUH-DetTabs2014.pdf There is a ton of information herein. I direct your questions to this for your perusal.
As to the article its relevance is in that trying a drug is one part of becoming addicted to it versus abusing it versus going to jail for it. The point of that which is supported is to show that certain races use certain drugs like marijuana the same and others such as hallucinogens differently as relative to the total population.

And as to your statement about moving pounds of it, for certain drugs there is little to no difference in 3 grams versus a kilo. Particularly if the 3x rule applies.

 

[IrishJayhawk]

You're smarter than that.

I don't support Trump, for example, but I'm going to defend him when someone says "Trump is literally Hitler." Use some capacity for nuance. Arguing that Jayhawk's criticism of Newt is unfounded is not the same as advocating for what Newt said.

Likewise, imagine someone said "global warming is man-made so we need to ban fossil fuels by 2018." I assume you'd agree that banning fossil fuels in a year is idiotic, but that doesn't mean you're advocating for a position that climate change is a fiction.

No, Trump is advocating for that.

Beyond that, I think there is a slippery slope danger here. And there's historical precedent.

 

[connor_in]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Democrats on Monday: "Love trumps hate! ❤️❤️❤️"<br><br>Democrats today: <a href="https://t.co/He2OCPqr3L">pic.twitter.com/He2OCPqr3L</a></p>— GayPatriot (@GayPatriot) <a href="https://twitter.com/GayPatriot/status/796842664071221249">November 10, 2016</a></blockquote>
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[connor_in]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Found this old pic of the 2012 Romney riots. <a href="https://twitter.com/realDailyWire">@realDailyWire</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/benshapiro">@benshapiro</a> <a href="https://t.co/XvbMCJTDS7">pic.twitter.com/XvbMCJTDS7</a></p>— Josh Griffith (@FlyoverTruth) <a href="https://twitter.com/FlyoverTruth/status/796915416702603264">November 11, 2016</a></blockquote>
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[connor_in]

GROSS: What this anti-Trump protester reportedly did in the streets last night will disgust you – twitchy.com

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Liberal protester takes a dump in public on a sign and then smears it in with her hand. What a shame!! <a href="https://t.co/kGtoLw6nWY">https://t.co/kGtoLw6nWY</a></p>— MT (@Mtgalitan) <a href="https://twitter.com/Mtgalitan/status/796936926527750144">November 11, 2016</a></blockquote>
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