2016 Presidential Horse Race

[phgreek]

1. While I don't think that some of his statements have helped race relations (and some hurt it), I think that a significant chunk of the race relations are due to his election but not him. Racist people were unhappy that he was elected and some black people are upset that when he was elected, some people believed that it was the end of racism, which they don't believe is true (sorry typing on a phone).

As to the part about cops? You do realize that under Obama less police officers are dying (from shootings, knifing, etc) than under any other 8 year President in recent history, right? While this year has seen a spike (though it isn't over so it could go either way), he will still have less than GWB most likely. Care to explain?

I would love to explain ...pretty easy really... Never said MORE...so your graphs are a Red Herring....

what I said was, Mr. Obama engaged where he should not have...and if you are someone who beats the drum "Words Matter"... it was pretty fucking quiet from the leftern front while the President was busy "not helping" with his words leading up to cops getting executed.

 

[Irish Insanity]

I'm surprised he even was able to get a cottage on the Champlain islands for $600k. That's a freaking steal, man.

This is the real story

 

[johnnycando]

People aren't swayed at this point in the game, unless you're an 18 year-old Latino.

Aka "Project Taco Bowl."

 

[phgreek]

Anybody see that there's a dude currently climbing Trump Tower with suction cups? Going on right now.

Man scales Trump Tower with suction cups - CNNPolitics.com

Cops ... uhm...gently helped him off the building...LMAO!

 

[calvegas04]

I'm surprised he even was able to get a cottage on the Champlain islands for $600k. That's a freaking steal, man.

HK probably bought it for him to get his support. Should be investigated

 

[Whiskeyjack]

HK probably bought it for him to get his support. Should be investigated

Heckler & Koch? Didn't realize Bernie was that pro-gun.

 

[johnnycando]

https://youtu.be/GCrrhJT8zqA

 

[Buster Bluth]

You don't see the difference between a socialist/populist presidential candidate who's built his popularity on the idea of reducing inequality and a multibillionaire businessman?

I think it's a joke. Plenty of upper middle class families have cottages around that price. He's a senator in his seventies buying a cottage--so what?

I think what is going on here is loons on the Right interpreting his campaign as "fuck everything about the rich" and see this as certifiable hypocrisy, as if he has to work every weekend at a soup kitchen and make $15/hr too just like the people he's fighting for. Two stupid views are aligning here, nothing more.

As for the billionaires owning gigantic mansions versus Sanders, nothing it out of line. It's not inequality. If you play your cards wisely when it comes to your income, you can buy one of these later in life. Hell my mother is a school teacher and bought one for half that...no shit a US Senator can buy one at $600k.

 

[NorthDakota]

But I cannot get behind the greater ideas behind the Dems.

I am Pro-Christianity, Pro-Calling Radical "Islam" a Religion of Terrorism, Pro-Life, Pro-Oil, Pro-Nuke, Pro-American Flag, Pro-Gun, Pro-Immigration Reform, Pro-Food Stamp Reform, etc.

I am incredibly anti-Obamacare.

This is why I will vote Trump my man.

I'm also a small business owner expecting to make a dent in the American dream within the next 10 years, and pay off some mortgages.

All of these things bring me to where I am. And a lot of these things will bring Texas together as a Nation someday, except for Austin. They'll have to relocate...

The Dakota Delegation second's this post.

 

[pkt77242]

 

[kmoose]

I don't think my post said that he was advocating shooting anyone. I said he was using those specific words intentionally to fire up an angry base of support, and that some of those supporters might take his words literally. In other words, while he might not condone shooting someone, he is playing with fire by using rhetoric that is likely to make angry supporters even angrier. Angry people don't always act rationally. And like it or not, Trump will be responsible if one of those supporters chooses to act in a violent manner after being riled up by months of Trump's over-the-top rhetoric. If you don't want the barn to burn down, you should be putting out the fire, not fanning the flames.

Is this how desperate liberals have become? They have to insinuate that Trump was subliminally enabling some loon to go shoot Clinton? If Clinton gets shot, you can damn well guarantee that it was MUCH more likely because of something SHE said, than because of something that Donald Trump said. You guys are really getting pathetic with these outlandish criticisms, ya know?

 

[Bogtrotter07]

But I cannot get behind the greater ideas behind the Dems.

I am Pro-Christianity, grin:
Pro-Calling Radical "Islam" a Religion of Terrorism,
Pro-Life, grin:
Pro-Oil, You and Hillary. My biggest grudge against her is her terrible record on the environment. By the way the article you posted makes that point. All the stuff it says has been public knowledge for years. This article boils it down, eliminates the timeline, and takes it all out of context, so it looks particularly nefarious. In reality, compared to what a lot of politicians do it is rather mundane.
Pro-Nuke, (I don't know what pro-nuke is : bomb or produce power?
Pro-American Flag, :allhail:
Pro-Gun,
Pro-Immigration Reform,
Pro-Food Stamp Reform, etc.

I am incredibly anti-Obamacare.

This is why I will vote Trump my man. - But here is the question. Regardless of the fact that we are actually in agreement on most of the issues you listed, what the hell does that have to do with Trump? He has proven he will say what he needs to whomever he is talking to at the time. I could probably put together a tape montage of him talking out of both sides of his mouth on all the issues you mentioned and then some!

I'm also a small business owner expecting to make a dent in the American dream within the next 10 years, and pay off some mortgages.

All of these things bring me to where I am. And a lot of these things will bring Texas together as a Nation someday, except for Austin. They'll have to relocate...

You know I don't have an issue with you, other than you wouldn't make that one introduction a few years ago. And I really don't have an issue with anyone who wants to vote against Hillary. That is your and anyone else's right. But I just want to provide some goggles with a breathing apparatus, and polarized lenses . . . I just think we are both being fed sunshine and smoke this cycle. And when I hear what sounds like it, I am sounding off.

 

[Buster Bluth]

Is this how desperate liberals have become? They have to insinuate that Trump was subliminally enabling some loon to go shoot Clinton? If Clinton gets shot, you can damn well guarantee that it was MUCH more likely because of something SHE said, than because of something that Donald Trump said. You guys are really getting pathetic with these outlandish criticisms, ya know?

It's just not something you joke about.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

Bernie Sanders Buys $600K Summer Home in Vermont : People.com

Unless Bernie bought this home for everyone who worked on his campaign/ staff to party/ vacation...

hahahahaha

What the fuck does his real estate purchase have to do with his campaign? More douchery?

She added that they were able to purchase the new home after selling her family's lake house in Maine.

This is the Sanders family's third home. They also own a row house on Capitol Hill in Washington, D.C., and a modest colonial home in Burlington, Vermont, which PEOPLE visited in December 2015.

 

[pkt77242]

Is this how desperate liberals have become? They have to insinuate that Trump was subliminally enabling some loon to go shoot Clinton? If Clinton gets shot, you can damn well guarantee that it was MUCH more likely because of something SHE said, than because of something that Donald Trump said. You guys are really getting pathetic with these outlandish criticisms, ya know?

LOL. So your best comeback was to belittle him? Typical kmoose.

Also I remember lots of Conservatives saying that Obama was inciting people to attack the police and blaming him for attacks on police when he said hasn't said anything that can be misconstrued as a call to attack the police (while Trump's comments were closer to that line).

For the record, I don't think that Trump was trying to incite someone to harm HRC. I do think that he was trying to throw some red meat to 2nd amendment supporters, and some red meat to people farther to the right (think Sharon Angle's comments, back in 2012?). Trump likes to push the envelope by saying things that are ambiguous so he can have plausible deniability when the blowback happens.

ETA: Also it wasn't even just liberals who thought that the comment was over the line, Michael Hayden former CIA director under GWB felt the same way.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

It's just not something you joke about.

This is it.

All there is, and needs saying.

Because to tie together a lot of posts in this thread, any one who makes a comment like this in public, let alone in the venue of a candidate of an endorsed presidential campaign, needs to know better and control himself. And anyone willing to overlook it needs to learn to control themselves a little better. Let alone someone who would parse nuances when the original statement was far over the line, and argue subtleties like somehow that changed the fact that someone stepped over the line - well they really need re-edumaction from way back! (An early age.)

 

[Ultimate Penn St. Hater]

Disgraced ex-congressman Mark Foley sits behind Trump at rally - CNNPolitics.com

 

[woolybug25]

Disgraced ex-congressman Mark Foley sits behind Trump at rally - CNNPolitics.com

Unreal...

Donald Trump on Wednesday again slammed Hillary Clinton and her campaign for allowing the father of Orlando shooter Omar Mateen to sit in the stands behind her at a recent rally.

But sitting behind Trump was ex-congressman Mark Foley, who resigned in disgrace in 2006 after sending sexually explicit messages to teenage boys.

"When you get those seats, you sort of know the campaign. You sort of know the campaign," Trump said at the rally in Sunshine, Florida. As Trump upbraided Clinton for having Mateen in the stands behind her, Foley smiled, applauded and even waved at Trump.
"How many of you people know me?" Trump asked those seated behind him.
Foley, visible just to Trump's left, quickly raised his hand in response.

How does this go unnoticed by Trump's staff or Trump himself? This guy is a sexual deviant and he put him behind him at a speech where a talking point is who sat behind Hillary? Are you fucking kidding me?

 

[ACamp1900]

They're like, ' geez, what do we have to do to lose this thing?!'

"Remember that one guy?"

 

[connor_in]

It's just not something you joke about.

As HRC and Biden learned in 2008

 

[kmoose]

LOL. So your best comeback was to belittle him? Typical kmoose.

Also I remember lots of Conservatives saying that Obama was inciting people to attack the police and blaming him for attacks on police when he said hasn't said anything that can be misconstrued as a call to attack the police (while Trump's comments were closer to that line).

For the record, I don't think that Trump was trying to incite someone to harm HRC. I do think that he was trying to throw some red meat to 2nd amendment supporters, and some red meat to people farther to the right (think Sharon Angle's comments, back in 2012?). Trump likes to push the envelope by saying things that are ambiguous so he can have plausible deniability when the blowback happens.

ETA: Also it wasn't even just liberals who thought that the comment was over the line, Michael Hayden former CIA director under GWB felt the same way.

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[kmoose]

It's just not something you joke about.

What was the joke?

Trump very clearly said that he thinks that Hillary Clinton is going to try to destroy the 2nd Amendment, and that, if she is elected President, she will appoint judges that share that same goal. So he said, "maybe some of the 2nd Amendment people can do something about it." I don't see a joke there at all........ I see a guy saying, "If you are pro-2nd Amendment, rally together with your like minded friends and get behind me."

 

[IrishJayhawk]

As HRC and Biden learned in 2008

When Buster voted for McCain.

 

[dad4aa]

What was the joke?

Trump very clearly said that he thinks that Hillary Clinton is going to try to destroy the 2nd Amendment, and that, if she is elected President, she will appoint judges that share that same goal. So he said, "maybe some of the 2nd Amendment people can do something about it." I don't see a joke there at all........ I see a guy saying, "If you are pro-2nd Amendment, rally together with your like minded friends and get behind me."

Well said. The problem is the liberal media will twist words to fit there agenda and then run with it to make Trump look bad. Unfortunately he does enough of that on his own. No need to try and create issues that are not there.

 

[phgreek]

They're like, ' geez, what do we have to do to lose this thing?!'

"Remember that one guy?"

This whole...not trying to win gets more credible by the hour...

Trump is a trying person to begin with, but his campaign folks are idiots...I mean, good hell, this election cycle is a war of unforced errors...

 

[drayer54]

Bernie Sanders Buys $600K Summer Home in Vermont : People.com

Unless Bernie bought this home for everyone who worked on his campaign/ staff to party/ vacation...

hahahahaha

Who the hell cares? He should be able to afford it. This is just a distraction from HRC selling our government via the Clinton foundation and being wreckless with classified information.

 

[IrishJayhawk]

What was the joke?

Trump very clearly said that he thinks that Hillary Clinton is going to try to destroy the 2nd Amendment, and that, if she is elected President, she will appoint judges that share that same goal. So he said, "maybe some of the 2nd Amendment people can do something about it." I don't see a joke there at all........ I see a guy saying, "If you are pro-2nd Amendment, rally together with your like minded friends and get behind me."

That makes sense if you ignore words and the order in which you say them.

 

[RDU Irish]

You don't see the difference between a socialist/populist presidential candidate who's built his popularity on the idea of reducing inequality and a multibillionaire businessman?

Three homes for everyone! It would be like 2007 all over again! Only 2008 would never come thanks to the liberal application of pixie dust!

 

[RDU Irish]

Not true (note, I am not saying that they don't abuse the charitable foundation or profit from it, just that there are things that they do with the money).
Where Does Clinton Foundation Money Go?

Vast right wing conspiracy talk coming:

Of course they are an unconventional foundation with a big payroll and minimal direct grants! How better to hire cronies and kick back to your hit men, err I mean supporters! PENSIONS included ... Seriously? Love to know the terms of pension bene accrual. Love to know who is managing those nine figure investment accounts. Love to see the actual amount of "work" put in by those folks on payroll.

Devil is in the details and we know how those details will be wiped, like with a cloth, well before a full story can be discovered.

Look at ND magazine - always highlighting the type of work they claim to be doing - why weren't they able to highlight a single video at the DNC of their work to illustrate how awesome they are? Because it is a complete sham. Sorry - more like 80%to 90% sham - I'm sure they do something to keep up appearances but their sociopathic tendencies forcing them to push the law further and further.

 

[zelezo vlk]

How do we reduce the level of partisanship in this country? It really seems to me that nobody is willing to compromise or even be respectful anymore.

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