2016 Presidential Horse Race

[pkt77242]

Michelle Obama delivered the winning oratory we Republicans have forgotten: Rick Wilson

 

[ACamp1900]

Giant Douche and Turd Sandwich is on right now... It's amazing how I used to think it was pretty appropriate 12 years ago................

 

[NorthDakota]

Will Paul Ryan be ready to run in 4-8 years??

 

[ACamp1900]

Will Paul Ryan be ready to run in 4-8 years??

Yeah, cuz that'll save us......

 

[GATTACA!]

The DNC is in thrall to the same globalist consensus that owns the GOPe. They correctly saw Bernie as a much bigger threat to their interests than Hillary. I suppose it's a credit to the DNC that they still have enough control over their party to control who they nominate.

I agree with this but then you can't turn around and say they were doing what they thought would be best for November.

 

[Bishop2b5]

We need a 30-year-younger Thomas Sowell.

 

[irishfan]

http://www.cnbc.com/2016/07/27/the-...rumps-russian-email-hack-bait-commentary.html

He's probably not fit to be President, but people should stop acting like he's some fool speaking without thinking.

He kicked off his campaign with the Mexico/rapists comments and somehow still fools people.

 

[wizards8507]

Joe Biden just ripped off Marco Rubio's "new American century" line, as if to twist the dagger in my soul.

 

[wizards8507]

Lmao apparently you can get the Democrats to applaud "faith, family, and work," as long as you say it en espanol.

 

[woolybug25]

Like Trump is who the Republican party wanted lol. They tried everything they could to stop Trump which is more than you can say for the Dems.

To the actual point of your post though I don't really care about Trump's taxes. Based on Romney's quote what would we hope to find? Trump has been audited 7 years in a row so clearly nothing illegal is going on. I think the reason he hasn't released them is because he is probably far less wealthy and far less charitable than he wants the voters to believe. In a normal election this would be a big deal, but realistically we already know our two options are both terrible human beings. Do we think the Clinton Foundation is any more charitable? Unlikely. Do we think he has any inappropriate foreign connections that are worse than Hillary's? Unlikely.

We're fighting over who's shit smells better.

Your first sentence has nothing to do with my comment. But whatevs.

Secondly, outside of the usual "but... But... What about Hillary" response, I would argue that being forthcoming to the IRS and the American public are vastly different things. The IRS doesn't care if you have unsavory, albeit legal, relationships. They don't care if those relationships tie you to unsavory organizations, countries or people. They care about whether you broke the law by violated the law by circumventing the tax code. He's been investigated seven straight years because he's shady. They may not have anything legally against him, but the American public deserves to know that story. Just like every other presidential nominee as far as I can remember.

 

[Ultimate Penn St. Hater]

Hey Wiz, are these all staged pictures with Obama too? Lol.

 

[IrishinSyria]

Obama's speech has been brilliant.

 

[IrishLax]

Obama's speech has been brilliant.

He's so good in this kind of setting.

 

[GATTACA!]

Your first sentence has nothing to do with my comment. But whatevs.

Secondly, outside of the usual "but... But... What about Hillary" response, I would argue that being forthcoming to the IRS and the American public are vastly different things. The IRS doesn't care if you have unsavory, albeit legal, relationships. They don't care if those relationships tie you to unsavory organizations, countries or people. They care about whether you broke the law by violated the law by circumventing the tax code. He's been investigated seven straight years because he's shady. They may not have anything legally against him, but the American public deserves to know that story. Just like every other presidential nominee as far as I can remember.

You said..

Are you guys even real conservatives or just pawns for whoever the Republican Party throws at you?

I was responding to the "whoever the republican party throws at you" part. The republican party didn't throw Trump out there, they actively tried to stop him. They failed, but they did try.

To your second point I mostly agree. There is no defense of Trump without mentioning how shitty Clinton is. Same reason no one can make a case for Hillary without bringing up Trump. In a normal election the tax thing would be a big deal because while he's probably not doing anything illegal, he's almost certainly hiding things that are at a bare minimum completely contradictory to what he's been telling voters. This isn't a regular election though, these are two shitty candidates for a reason. So when I say I don't care about the taxes what I really mean is that in this situation I don't care because my alternative is just as bad if not worse IMO.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

I agree with this but then you can't turn around and say they were doing what they thought would be best for November.

They didn't have to maximize competitiveness by gambling on an elderly socialist because the GOPe decided to self destruct.

 

[GATTACA!]

They didn't have to maximize competitiveness by gambling on an elderly socialist because the GOPe decided to self destruct.

I think we both know Hillary was getting pushed through no matter who ran against her in the primaries, that decision was made way before Bernie started making waves.

 

[phgreek]

Ya know, Mr. Obama did what I thought he'd do...good speech. Joe Biden did a good job...Mrs. Obama did a good job. These people really gave their everything, but when the lights go down, and the conventions fade into the mist...Hillary needs to be less Hillary of old...she better recreate herself, and start taking some air...

 

[Irish#1]

The DNC is in thrall to the same globalist consensus that owns the GOPe. They correctly saw Bernie as a much bigger threat to their interests than Hillary. I suppose it's a credit to the DNC that they still have enough control over their party to control who they nominate.

Or, they are as blind and as indifferent to their voters as the republicans are, and will give you what they want and not what the people want..

 

[connor_in]

 

[GoIrish41]

I think we both know Hillary was getting pushed through no matter who ran against her in the primaries, that decision was made way before Bernie started making waves.

I was a Bernie guy from the beginning, so nobody was more disappointed that he didn't win than I was. While the DNC may have had some bias in the primaries, let's not ignore reality. Hillary got 3.7 million more votes than Bernie. The will of the voters made Hillary the nominee, not anything the DNC did to tip the scales. No matter how bad the other side wants to delegitimize her candidacy, she has a ton of support and had that support from the beginning of the process.

 

[connor_in]

 

[connor_in]

 

[EddytoNow]

I was a Bernie guy from the beginning, so nobody was more disappointed that he didn't win than I was. While the DNC may have had some bias in the primaries, let's not ignore reality. Hillary got 3.7 million more votes than Bernie. The will of the voters made Hillary the nominee, not anything the DNC did to tip the scales. No matter how bad the other side wants to delegitimize her candidacy, she has a ton of support and had that support from the beginning of the process.

Nothing unusual about the DNC's support/favoritism for Hillary. She's been a loyal member of the Democratic Party since her days in Arkansas. She's worked tirelessly for the Party for many years. She's earned the Democratic Party's loyalty. Her candidacy is much like that of Bob Dole in 1996. Both were loyal Party members being rewarded for years of loyalty on their part. Neither was charismatic, nor warm and fuzzy. We had the President that everyone wanted to sit down and have a beer with (George W. Bush), and how did that work out? I'll take boring and competent this time.

Bernie, on the other hand, suddenly discovers he's a Democrat when he wants to run for President. Weighing the two. On one hand, you have a Democrat with 30+ years of Party membership. On the other hand, you have a 30+ year Independent, who saw an opportunity to run as a Democrat. Bernie belongs in the Democratic Party, but it took a long time for him to figure that out.

There's a reason the Republican Party spends so much time attacking Hillary. She's been a thorn in their side for 30+ years.

 

[connor_in]

 

[connor_in]

 

[connor_in]

Saw this...

#Bailout2016 — the election bailout plan that could save us from both Trump and Hillary

 

[connor_in]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Millennials think Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton are worse than Voldemort <a href="https://t.co/l6HbGDXHfu">https://t.co/l6HbGDXHfu</a></p>— TIME.com (@TIME) <a href="https://twitter.com/TIME/status/758419210464813056">July 27, 2016</a></blockquote>
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[GATTACA!]

Nothing unusual about the DNC's support/favoritism for Hillary. She's been a loyal member of the Democratic Party since her days in Arkansas. She's worked tirelessly for the Party for many years. She's earned the Democratic Party's loyalty. Her candidacy is much like that of Bob Dole in 1996. Both were loyal Party members being rewarded for years of loyalty on their part. Neither was charismatic, nor warm and fuzzy. We had the President that everyone wanted to sit down and have a beer with (George W. Bush), and how did that work out? I'll take boring and competent this time.

Bernie, on the other hand, suddenly discovers he's a Democrat when he wants to run for President. Weighing the two. On one hand, you have a Democrat with 30+ years of Party membership. On the other hand, you have a 30+ year Independent, who saw an opportunity to run as a Democrat. Bernie belongs in the Democratic Party, but it took a long time for him to figure that out.

There's a reason the Republican Party spends so much time attacking Hillary. She's been a thorn in their side for 30+ years.

Spin spin spin spin.

The corruption and bias was so bad the chairwoman of the DNC had to resign. There was blatant collusion between the party and the Clinton campaign to launder money in order give as much as possible to Hillary at the expense of down ballot candidates in their own party, ironically something they had accused Bernie of. There appears to have been widespread voter fraud to the tune of as much as 10% in places like New York. The list goes on and on and on, but listening to you and Goirish41 you would have us believe it's all roses.

The DNC spit in your collective faces and you're smiling and saying thank you.

 

[Wild Bill]

Trump takes lead over Clinton as GOP convention generates a bounce for its nominee - LA Times

 

[GoIrish41]

Spin spin spin spin.

The corruption and bias was so bad the chairwoman of the DNC had to resign. There was blatant collusion between the party and the Clinton campaign to launder money in order give as much as possible to Hillary at the expense of down ballot candidates in their own party, ironically something they had accused Bernie of. There appears to have been widespread voter fraud to the tune of as much as 10% in places like New York. The list goes on and on and on, but listening to you and Goirish41 you would have us believe it's all roses.

The DNC spit in your collective faces and you're smiling and saying thank you.

I'm not saying its all roses. I'm saying Clinton won by nearly 4 million votes. The voters picked Hillary. Period.