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Swim team kicked ass. To bad the soccer girls didn't play well. Solo (head case) needs to be gone.

Because the field players completely lacked creativity in the offensive third of the field you want to get rid of the #1 keeper in the world?
 

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I'm hoping that his teammates are as disappointed by this lack of sportsmanship as the rest of the world appears to be:

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Apparently the judge called both contestants back out to the mat, and made the Egyptian at least bow to his opponent.
 

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This is ridiculous.

The Fall Guys: Russian Paralympians Stuck on Road to Rio
Barred from Rio, Russia's Paralympic team still hope to make it to the Games by contesting the ban.
(Moscow Times)

With a month until the opening of the 2016 Summer Paralympics, Russia’s 267 athletes still have a chance to make it to Brazil. Government officials have already filed an appeal to the Court of Arbitration for Sports (CAS) in Lausanne and are hoping the decision can be overturned in time.

But the odds seem stacked against them.

Hopes Not Yet Crushed

The decision has hit the athletes hard. “I’m in my forties, and every Olympiad could become my last,” Ashapatov told The Moscow Times. “It hurts to think that all the effort we’ve put into training could go to waste.”

Ashapatov, 43, started off as an amateur volleyball player. After losing his leg in a tragic accident in 2002, he took on track and field, as well as continuing to play volleyball and train in arm wrestling. During the 2008 Beijing Paralympics, he won two gold medals in discus throwing and shot put, breaking world records in both. He repeated his success four years later at the 2012 London Paralympics, when he once again set new world records in both disciplines.

According to Ashapatov, doping among Paralympic athletes is not widespread. “There have been several individual cases, but I have never come across or even heard of doping being a common thing in my entire career in Paralympic sport,” he says.

Valentina Zahgot, a rower who participated in the 2008 Beijing Paralympics, echoes his sentiment. “It is absurd. We only take meds which are required for our conditions,” she told The Moscow Times. “Our health issues are complicated as they are, and no one wants to worsen them by doping.”

Banning any Russian athlete regardless? That's 267 Paraolympians because twelve samples in the past were found to be "manipulated"? What about the ninety-five percent of their Paraolympians who are clean? Americans would be up in arms if it was their athletes.
 
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This is ridiculous.

The Fall Guys: Russian Paralympians Stuck on Road to Rio
Barred from Rio, Russia's Paralympic team still hope to make it to the Games by contesting the ban.
(Moscow Times)

Banning any Russian athlete regardless? That's 267 Paraolympians because twelve samples in the past were found to be "manipulated"? What about the ninety-five percent of their Paraolympians who are clean? Americans would be up in arms if it was their athletes.


The East German Judge is pissed but stilling scoring 13s.

As expected, Russian officialdom condemned the ban as cruel and unjust.

Russian Foreign Ministry spokesperson Maria Zakharova called it “a betrayal of the very highest standards of human rights which govern the modern world.”

Sports Minister Vitaly Mutko claimed that the allegations of doping were “groundless.” Deputy Prime Minister Arkady Dvorkovich wrote on social media that “those who voted for this decision have no conscience and no honor.”

Western experts see things differently, noting that IPC came to a decision that many expected would come from the International Olympic Committee weeks earlier.

It was “a tale of two major organizing bodies,” wrote Richard Ings, the former head of the Australian Anti-Doping Agency.

“The same evidence, same country, same rules, same ethical and political arguments — bravo, IPC!
 

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This is ridiculous.

The Fall Guys: Russian Paralympians Stuck on Road to Rio
Barred from Rio, Russia's Paralympic team still hope to make it to the Games by contesting the ban.
(Moscow Times)



Banning any Russian athlete regardless? That's 267 Paraolympians because twelve samples in the past were found to be "manipulated"? What about the ninety-five percent of their Paraolympians who are clean? Americans would be up in arms if it was their athletes.

It was more than 12............. But, regardless; the Russian Paralympic Organization repeatedly has tampered with samples, so the IPC concluded that they were out of compliance with the IPC rules for doping. Being a member of an out of compliance federation means that you are not eligible to compete. If the situation is unfair to anyone, it is unfair to those athletes from other countries who have been doing it clean, while there was systemic doping going on in Russia.
 

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It was more than 12............. But, regardless; the Russian Paralympic Organization repeatedly has tampered with samples, so the IPC concluded that they were out of compliance with the IPC rules for doping. Being a member of an out of compliance federation means that you are not eligible to compete. If the situation is unfair to anyone, it is unfair to those athletes from other countries who have been doing it clean, while there was systemic doping going on in Russia.

How many more? Widespread would be a different matter, but paralympians?

When you are a clean athlete from a federation not in compliance, what's unfair to other athetes? What's fair to you?

In the best spirit of the Olympics, blanket condemnations and penalties undermine the importance of participation. If you are clean, come join. Testing medalists will confirm that or prove a change.
 
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Let me know when they keep track for sportsmanship.

Swimmer Yefimova Demands Apologies After Winning Second Medal in Rio

Yefimova, who received a two year doping suspension in 2013, won the right to compete after lodging an appeal with the Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS). The court ruled in favor of the athletes, calling the IOC's ban “unenforceable."

Yefimova hit out at her critics on winning her second silver medal of the Games, saying “I won my case (at CAS). If someone thinks they know better than the judge then they can go there themselves and look into it. I’m waiting for apologies.”

You can only hope Lilly King grows up.
 
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So if you cheat and get called out its the person that calls you out who is at fault? Seems about right for 2016...
 

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Because the field players completely lacked creativity in the offensive third of the field you want to get rid of the #1 keeper in the world?

She was not good at ll this year. She cost the team a win to a tie. And then her complete sore loser comments. Cya
 

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So if you cheat and get called out its the person that calls you out who is at fault? Seems about right for 2016...

I thought it was unfair that Yulia Stepanova, who blew the whistle on the Russian doping and who served her suspension, was not allowed to compete in the Olympics. She and her husband, a former Russian Anti-Doping Agency employee, decided not to appeal the IOC's decision saying,
“Although we are heartbroken, we wish to clarify that we have from the beginning chosen to not follow a judicial path. We understand that the (International Olympic Committee) has discretion to invite whomever they choose to the Games. We believe that in exercising this discretion to deny Yuliya a place in the competition, it sends a message that the World Anti-Doping Code and the values of Olympism are merely words on a page.”

The Russian Olympic Committee could appeal any ban of their athletes or could nominate any of their athletes who had served their doping suspensions for admission to the Games. But the ROC would not nominate the whistleblower and the IOC would not step in to grant admission to Yulia, who said in her statement,
“We believe that the IOC's focus on Yuliya's past sanction for doping shifts the spotlight away from the real issue, which is that the IOC took no action against Russia for punishing Yuliya for being a credible whistle-blower by refusing to put her on Russia's Olympic team. At no point did the IOC, unlike the IAAF, demand publicly from the Russian sports authorities that they recognize our whistle-blowing as an important and valuable contribution for clean sport in Russia. This amounts to political discrimination in direct violation of the Olympic Charter and was nowhere mentioned in the IOC's decision.
Our disappointment and sadness is huge.”

Yuliya Stepanova served her ban and should have been allowed to compete as an independent athlete as the World Anti-Doping Agency and the International Association of Athletics Federations recommended.



Yulia Efimova was cleared by the International Swimming Federation (ISF) and admitted to the Olympics Games by the IOC. Efimova tested positive for DHEA in 2013 and served a 16 month ban from the sport. Earlier this year, Yulia was given a provisional ban for testing positive for meldonium, but the ISF lifted the suspension on the advice from the World Anti-Doping Agency. Meldonium was added to the banned substances list in January. It is unclear how long it takes to clear the body.

The Court of Arbitration for Sports (CAS) ruled that athletes cannot be banned from Rio on the basis that they have previously been sanctioned since that would amount to sanctioning the athlete twice for the same offense.

The righteous outrage, in spite of all of this, over a swimmer who has been clean since serving her ban, the banning of the whistleblower of Russian doping and all of their entire Paralympic team athletes seem ridiculous - - but maybe about right for 2016's blanket solutions to everything.
 
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My wife is making me watch synchronized swimming.

Kill me now.

Quick and easy or slow and agonizing?

If the former: two liters of Wild Turkey 101 with a gallon or two of Boone's Farm Apple Annie as a chaser.

If the latter: Just keep your eyes glued to the TV screen.
 

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Great finish to Olympics golf competition. Justin Rose edges out Henrik Stenson for gold. Matt Kuchar shoots 63 to grab bronze for US. Way to go Kooch.
 

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That was as tense a finish as we see in a major golf event. I think golf will be a event beyond 2020 in Tokyo. Great stuff. The players that opted out are probably feeling a little regret.
 

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I was surprised with the golf. Found it more exciting than I expected with so many of the top names skipping it. But they will all be fighting to play in Tokyo.
 

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Jordan Spieth decided not to attend the games and it opened a spot for Matt Kuchar. Think Matt is pretty happy about that.
 

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Question of the night. Is Usain Bolt Will Fuller fast?


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Question of the night. Is Usain Bolt Will Fuller fast?


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Will probably gets him in the first 40, but after the first 40 Bolt gets a head of steam, nobody beats him. Gatlin ran about as good a race as he could have. Got a great lead, but that last 30 yards Bolt went by him with ease.

IMO it will be a long time before we see another Bolt.
 

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Will Fuller wouldn't touch Bolt. You guys need another cup of coffee this morning...

Will ran an unofficial 4.3 40m. Bolt's projected 40 time (albeit with a lot of variables) is 4.2 or less. Some think it could be closer to 4.0. Bolt isn't even considered one of the best starters out of the blocks. So not only would Will probably lose the first 40m, he'd get crushed in the 100m. Will might be able to hang with Bromell and Gatlin for a bit, but those two are considered amazing starters and have excellent first 50m splits...and not even those two can keep pace with Bolt over a full 100m race.
 

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Will Fuller wouldn't touch Bolt. You guys need another cup of coffee this morning...

Will ran an unofficial 4.3 40m. Bolt's projected 40 time (albeit with a lot of variables) is 4.2 or less. Some think it could be closer to 4.0. Bolt isn't even considered one of the best starters out of the blocks. So not only would Will probably lose the first 40m, he'd get crushed in the 100m.Will might be able to hang with Bromell and Gatlin for a bit, but those two are considered amazing starters and have excellent first 50m splits...and not even those two can keep pace with Bolt over a full 100m race.

He'd get crushed in 100m by probably three quarters of a second, maybe almost a full second. He'd actually do a better job of "hanging with" Bolt for the beginning of the race than either Bromell or Gatlin, because Bolt is a very slow starter (relative to other elite sprinters) whereas some of those other guys bust out of the blocks. When you look at Bromell's times running the 60m, he'd probably run 4.1ish in the 40 with no starting blocks. However, if you adjust for NFL timing methods that don't start the clock until the athlete starts moving (so no reaction time from starting gun), he might be closer to 4.0.
 
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