2016 NFL Draft

[IrishLion]

Where are you seeing this? I have looked at a few mocks that have come out after the combine and they all have Hargreaves going before Alexander. In fact they all have Hargreaves going in the top 10 and as the second DB after Ramsey.

The SB Nation mock draft above cites his short arms as a growing concern, and has him falling into the 20 spot. I saw one other mock that had him in the 20's, but it was a local thing that was probably just trying to pick up the current "feel" around the prospects.

I know, my reaction was strong considering the guy is still a first-rounder. But my problem is that this stuff happens every year right after the combine. Some prospect, that is clearly a stud, will fall in the draft (or at least their stock will take a hit) because one person will cite a useless concern (like arm-length on a guy playing lockdown corner), and then everybody runs with that, and then front office "sources" start citing the same issues with so-and-so's "measurables."

Darquez Dennard might have been the first CB drafted in '14 if not for his short arms. And that's a ridiculous reason.

 

[Sherm Sticky]

The SB Nation mock draft above cites his short arms as a growing concern, and has him falling into the 20 spot. I saw one other mock that had him in the 20's, but it was a local thing that was probably just trying to pick up the current "feel" around the prospects.

I know, my reaction was strong considering the guy is still a first-rounder. But my problem is that this stuff happens every year right after the combine. Some prospect, that is clearly a stud, will fall in the draft (or at least their stock will take a hit) because one person will cite a useless concern (like arm-length on a guy playing lockdown corner), and then everybody runs with that, and then front office "sources" start citing the same issues with so-and-so's "measurables."

Darquez Dennard might have been the first CB drafted in '14 if not for his short arms. And that's a ridiculous reason.

Mike Mayock, who we all respect, agrees with us that Vernon is a top 10 pick. Says he has the best feet of a DB in the past 5 years.


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[RDU Irish]

BFD - then he lands on a better team with a chip on his shoulder and said team gets a steal. That is why so many teams stay on top, they pick up gifts like that if they fall to them.

Fuller definitely helped his stock - great to see ND guys burning it up. I really would have liked to see Jaylon and Russell run the 40 but that is selfish fan stuff.

 

[dublinirish]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">No <a href="https://twitter.com/thejaylonsmith">@thejaylonsmith</a> in 1st Round; <a href="https://twitter.com/ronnie_stanley">@ronnie_stanley</a> goes 6th to Ravens. <a href="https://t.co/4irTyDHGl2">https://t.co/4irTyDHGl2</a></p>— Eric Hansen (@EHansenNDI) <a href="https://twitter.com/EHansenNDI/status/705044760541552640">March 2, 2016</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This mock has <a href="https://twitter.com/ronnie_stanley">@ronnie_stanley</a> 11th to Bears, <a href="https://twitter.com/Will_Fuller7">@Will_Fuller7</a> 22nd to Texans; no <a href="https://twitter.com/thejaylonsmith">@thejaylonsmith</a> in 1st round. <a href="https://t.co/YiOxb7IcVC">https://t.co/YiOxb7IcVC</a></p>— Eric Hansen (@EHansenNDI) <a href="https://twitter.com/EHansenNDI/status/705045623389573120">March 2, 2016</a></blockquote>
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[koonja]

I hope Jaylon goes ~ pick 30 in 2nd round. Makes 3.7 million off of the insurance policy in that case, goes to a contender who also adds a true 1st rounder and he is part of a dynasty.

 

[#1rish]

Keep in mind any insurance policies Jaylon cashes in on is tax-free. Feel bad for him if he drops but hopefully that softens the blow a little bit.

 

[pkt77242]

The SB Nation mock draft above cites his short arms as a growing concern, and has him falling into the 20 spot. I saw one other mock that had him in the 20's, but it was a local thing that was probably just trying to pick up the current "feel" around the prospects.

I know, my reaction was strong considering the guy is still a first-rounder. But my problem is that this stuff happens every year right after the combine. Some prospect, that is clearly a stud, will fall in the draft (or at least their stock will take a hit) because one person will cite a useless concern (like arm-length on a guy playing lockdown corner), and then everybody runs with that, and then front office "sources" start citing the same issues with so-and-so's "measurables."

Darquez Dennard might have been the first CB drafted in '14 if not for his short arms. And that's a ridiculous reason.

I don't think that the criticism is "real", though there are reasons to criticize him (propensity to get burned on double moves, lack of elite speed, and slightly short), but I think the criticisms like "short arms" are more like psychological warfare. If a team is picking around 8-10, maybe they leak something like that to hopefully discourage another team from trying to trade above them and pick him, or maybe a team picking 12-15 says it in hopes that he will slide to them. I don't think that teams care about his arm length (though they might care about the other things that I listed), it is more a disinformation campaign.

 

[pkt77242]

Also I personally feel that Hargreaves compares to Joe Haden. Similar size, neither ran great 40 times, and both have the ability to be shut down corners.

 

[ACamp1900]

Man if Jaylon's position holds true.... I mean, obviously no one saw the injury coming but if some 'sucker' had bet me that Jaylon Smith wouldn't be in the first round a few months ago I would have lost a lot of money...

 

[dublinirish]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I don't get too carried away with shuttle times for OL but Ronnie Stanley struggled...4.90 short shuttle and 8.03 3 cone. Not good.</p>— Daniel Jeremiah (@MoveTheSticks) <a href="https://twitter.com/MoveTheSticks/status/705662921049636865">March 4, 2016</a></blockquote>
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[ResLife Hero]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">New mock is up. On <a href="https://twitter.com/MikeAndMike">@MikeAndMike</a> + <a href="https://twitter.com/SportsCenter">@SportsCenter</a> in a bit to break it down. <a href="https://t.co/7OdvVmHYOe">https://t.co/7OdvVmHYOe</a></p>— Mel Kiper Jr. (@MelKiperESPN) <a href="https://twitter.com/MelKiperESPN/status/707185465196220417">March 8, 2016</a></blockquote>
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[dublinirish]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/NotreDame?src=hash">#NotreDame</a> pro day will include Jaylon Smith and Everett Golson. <a href="https://t.co/QaLVHSRLvu">pic.twitter.com/QaLVHSRLvu</a></p>— Brian Hamilton (@BrianHamiltonSI) <a href="https://twitter.com/BrianHamiltonSI/status/707217193314820097">March 8, 2016</a></blockquote>
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[dublinirish]

Dak Prescott arrested for DUI in Starkville

 

[irishff1014]

When will these people ever learn?

 

[bkess8]

When will these people ever learn?

They won't. I can tell you from being in the military and I'm sure a lot of other active duty or veterans can back me up. You can tell these young kids (this generation) until your blue in the face not to drink and drive, drink underage, or use drugs and they will still do what they want. They only understand when it's too late.

IMO Prescott doesn't have a very bright future in the NFL anyway unless he wants to switch positions. It didn't work out for Tebow and I see Prescott cut from about the same mold.

 

[dublinirish]

They won't. I can tell you from being in the military and I'm sure a lot of other active duty or veterans can back me up. You can tell these young kids (this generation) until your blue in the face not to drink and drive, drink underage, or use drugs and they will still do what they want. They only understand when it's too late.

IMO Prescott doesn't have a very bright future in the NFL anyway unless he wants to switch positions. It didn't work out for Tebow and I see Prescott cut from about the same mold.

the frequency that people will drink and drive in america its truly staggering for me as a European. In so many places over here it just isn't done, not even 1 beer.

 

[dublinirish]

Group

Report: Chip Kelly's Eagles Offered The Titans A Shit-Ton For Marcus Mariota
A 2015 first rounder (20th overall)
A 2016 first rounder (would have been 13th overall)
A 2015 second rounder (47th overall)
Any quarterback on the roster
Any defensive player on the roster

 

[woolybug25]

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How do you not grab Kiko and Bradford to the bank. Two first rounders? Sheesh.

 

[IrishLion]

How do you not grab Kiko and Bradford to the bank. Two first rounders? Sheesh.

Seriously. You delay finding your QB by a year, but you can rebuild the rest of your team while waiting it out.

Mariota is good... but if I'm Tennessee, I'd rather use the extra first rounder and second rounder to add two more key pieces, and survive on Bradford for a year.

 

[NorthDakota]

Thats nuts. I'd have taken it and trololol'ed my way to building a dynasty.

 

[zelezo vlk]

The Tennessee GM thought he was a franchise QB. He's certainly shown flashes of it. Attaching yourself to a great quarterback is a surefire way to ensure job security.

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[dublinirish]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Gators?src=hash">#Gators</a> bench press:<br>Kelvin Taylor - 17<br>Trip Thurman - 21<br>Mason Halter - 9<br>Anthony Harrell - 22</p>— Only Gators .com (@onlygators) <a href="https://twitter.com/onlygators/status/712276810130542597">March 22, 2016</a></blockquote>
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Halter was UF's starting Right Tackle in 2015..

 

[STLcardz-NDirish]

I'm predicting a team trades up and snags fuller with a top 18 pick. Some Serious buzz floating around him

 

[IrishSteelhead]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Gators?src=hash">#Gators</a> bench press:<br>Kelvin Taylor - 17<br>Trip Thurman - 21<br>Mason Halter - 9<br>Anthony Harrell - 22</p>— Only Gators .com (@onlygators) <a href="https://twitter.com/onlygators/status/712276810130542597">March 22, 2016</a></blockquote>
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Halter was UF's starting Right Tackle in 2015..

If he was one of these guys, I'm guessing his wonderlic score wasn't much higher:

 

[NDVirginia19]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Gators?src=hash">#Gators</a> bench press:<br>Kelvin Taylor - 17<br>Trip Thurman - 21<br>Mason Halter - 9<br>Anthony Harrell - 22</p>— Only Gators .com (@onlygators) <a href="https://twitter.com/onlygators/status/712276810130542597">March 22, 2016</a></blockquote>
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Halter was UF's starting Right Tackle in 2015..

Seriously? I Know high school linebackers who can put up 225 more than 9 times, and they're DIII players

 

[ResLife Hero]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">RGIII signs w/ <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Browns?src=hash">#Browns</a><br><br>What does it mean for team's <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/NFLDraft?src=hash">#NFLDraft</a> plans?<a href="https://twitter.com/MikeMayock">@MikeMayock</a>'s take: <a href="https://t.co/ODFvPlDIup">https://t.co/ODFvPlDIup</a> <a href="https://t.co/BwqOOPcg5i">pic.twitter.com/BwqOOPcg5i</a></p>— CollegeFootball 24/7 (@NFL_CFB) <a href="https://twitter.com/NFL_CFB/status/713060079025725440">March 24, 2016</a></blockquote>
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[dublinirish]

Seriously? I Know high school linebackers who can put up 225 more than 9 times, and they're DIII players

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Derwin James.<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/FSU?src=hash">#FSU</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/DerwinJames?src=hash">#DerwinJames</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/FSUvsUF?src=hash">#FSUvsUF</a> <a href="https://t.co/Ll9X8Bcp1G">pic.twitter.com/Ll9X8Bcp1G</a></p>— Cinefunk (@CineFunk) <a href="https://twitter.com/CineFunk/status/670790404258856961">November 29, 2015</a></blockquote>
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[dublinirish]

http://www.irishenvy.com/forums/professional-teams/272690-2016-nfl-draft-3.html

Moritz Boehringer Draft Profile – NFL.com

Packers interested in German wideout Moritz Boehringer, per report - Acme Packing Company

 

[dublinirish]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">And with the second pick in the 2016 <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/NFLDraft?src=hash">#NFLDraft</a>, the Cleveland <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Browns?src=hash">#Browns</a> select.... <a href="https://t.co/wy6U5cYTxL">https://t.co/wy6U5cYTxL</a></p>— Jon Ledyard (@LedyardNFLDraft) <a href="https://twitter.com/LedyardNFLDraft/status/717206407829975040">April 5, 2016</a></blockquote>
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[ACamp1900]

It is known.... until a video surfaces of Paxton Lynch motor boating speed balls... then all beats are off....