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im more concerned with who our QB will be throwing to this year.
no fuller
no c brown
no robinson
no proven TE

almost think zaire might/could do better with a hodgepodge of umprovens, and that kizer benefitted from having very good wr crew to throw to last year.
this year wr are a different and unproven group.

I take the same data to determine a more accurate passer is needed to place the ball with proper location and pace for less experienced WRs to succeed. If you assume our WR corps is not as good as last year - someone who can make better reads and hit tighter windows is that much more important.

Counterpoint - someone better at tucking and running when WRs are blanketed becomes that much more important.

Kind of why I am getting comfortable with the two QB set up. Find the hot hand in the first half and ride that hot hand if it is a tight game in the second half.
 

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So how has Justin Yoon looked? Expecting big things from that little guy
 

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So how has Justin Yoon looked? Expecting big things from that little guy

terrible by all accounts. of the live practices the media have seen he's 1/9 on FG attempts. They are blaming the change of holder though, poor Gummy.
 

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terrible by all accounts. of the live practices the media have seen he's 1/9 on FG attempts. They are blaming the change of holder though, poor Gummy.

Is this serious? He was a top ten fg kicker last year. Something has changed to affect him that much?
 
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Is this serious? He was a top ten fg kicker last year. Something has changed too affect him that much?

yup, listen to the latest Podcasts. Folks are worried about him but are reserving judgement til he sees game action. I think he'll be fine personally. Special teams is never sharp this time of year.
 

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So how has Justin Yoon looked? Expecting big things from that little guy
as noted above he has been pretty bad...BK said it's his technique that is off right now

“I think (holder Montgomery VanGorder) has done a really good job,” Kelly said Wednesday. “(Long snapper Scott Daly) has done a great job of snapping. A little bit, just mechanical. It's just a routine that he's got to get into. We felt like, you know, a couple times, he just doesn't finish the way he needs to.

“But when he finishes on the ball, and I think his first one in overtime was from 45 yards, you know, he is really effective. And so it's just really just being consistent with his mechanics. His operation times are outstanding, so it has nothing to do with operation. Just consistency in his mechanics. I think he's close.”

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That is really odd. I have never heard of a kicker losing his technique/mechanics so dramatically. I'm concerned.
 

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not saying it is this...but ever had the yips?

I have personally never had the yips but I know kickers get them. Doesn't sound like that's what this is, though.

I have heard of kickers going into funks after missing a FG in a game but never between seasons like this.
 

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I have personally never had the yips but I know kickers get them. Doesn't sound like that's what this is, though.

I have heard of kickers going into funks after missing a FG in a game but never between seasons like this.

only reason i bring this up right now is that i am experiencing it right now w/ pitching...it's terrible and mechanically it just doesn't feel right and i keep changing my mechanics...it was just something that made me think why all of a sudden is his mechanics off...just a thought
 

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im more concerned with who our QB will be throwing to this year.
no fuller
no c brown
no robinson
no proven TE

almost think zaire might/could do better with a hodgepodge of umprovens, and that kizer benefitted from having very good wr crew to throw to last year.
this year wr are a different and unproven group.

I was saying something similar a few weeks back. We've got a lot of inexperience at WR, and based on what has been said in camp there's a lot of drops going on. Relying on these young WRs to deliver a heavy passing attack may be asking too much, at least early in the season. It probably makes a lot of sense to rely on our beast OL, our experienced backs, and Zaire to run the ball...passing just enough to keep the defense honest. In those first few games there's no reason we can't load up and run right at the defense with some power. Kizer could be inserted as Golson was in the LSU game in passing situations or 2 minute drill.
 

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I've always consisted WR's a luxury item. If you have really good ones, great. If not, not a deal breaker.
 

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I'm down for going with 1 WR, 2 QB, 1 RB, 1 TE and 6 OL. We could rack up more rushing yards than Navy.
 

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I'm down for going with 1 WR, 2 QB, 1 RB, 1 TE and 6 OL. We could rack up more rushing yards than Navy.

I was thinking 2TE set with Symthe and Luatua to block, Hunter and Sanders at WR to stretch the field with some speed, then QB and RB...but I like the way you think!
 

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I've always consisted WR's a luxury item. If you have really good ones, great. If not, not a deal breaker.

I just think that the demise of our WR corp is being drastically overstated. By all accounts Hunter looks prepared to be the new #1. This will not be the first time that our #1 WR goes from remedial production to big time production in 1 season. Fuller did it from his freshman to sophomore seasons. Nobody thought he was a first round talent after his freshman season. The guy who is not being talked about enough is CJ Sanders. I still contend that he'll be one of the best players on this team with the ball in his hands, kids dynamic. Kelly realizes this, that's why he's working exclusively with the 1's. He's going to have a breakout season, mark it down. ESB is a little bit of a wildcard. I could see him having a Fuller type freshman season where he makes some big plays but isn't consistent. The good news is, we have a collection of guys like Boykin (playing better), Holmes, Claypool, Stepherson, etc. that could contribute.

Keep in mind that in 2014 we came into the year in this exact same spot, with a lot of question marks at WR. Fuller became the #1, Chris Brown/Robinson double teamed the W position, and CJ Prosise was productive out of the slot. Sound familiar. Hunter #1, ESB/Boykin (W), Sanders at slot. That 2014 WR group was good enough to win all the games we played in. Plus, I think we'll have better QB play which will help and the RB group is better.
 

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I just think that the demise of our WR corp is being drastically overstated. By all accounts Hunter looks prepared to be the new #1. This will not be the first time that our #1 WR goes from remedial production to big time production in 1 season. Fuller did it from his freshman to sophomore seasons. Nobody thought he was a first round talent after his freshman season. The guy who is not being talked about enough is CJ Sanders. I still contend that he'll be one of the best players on this team with the ball in his hands, kids dynamic. Kelly realizes this, that's why he's working exclusively with the 1's. He's going to have a breakout season, mark it down. ESB is a little bit of a wildcard. I could see him having a Fuller type freshman season where he makes some big plays but isn't consistent. The good news is, we have a collection of guys like Boykin (playing better), Holmes, Claypool, Stepherson, etc. that could contribute.

Keep in mind that in 2014 we came into the year in this exact same spot, with a lot of question marks at WR. Fuller became the #1, Chris Brown/Robinson double teamed the W position, and CJ Prosise was productive out of the slot. Sound familiar. Hunter #1, ESB/Boykin (W), Sanders at slot. That 2014 WR group was good enough to win all the games we played in. Plus, I think we'll have better QB play which will help and the RB group is better.

I'm with you. Until I see a lot of dropped balls I think our receivers will be just fine. When the start doubling them, start going to the TE in the middle. If they don't drop the double teams they pay the price one way or another.
 

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I just think that the demise of our WR corp is being drastically overstated. By all accounts Hunter looks prepared to be the new #1. This will not be the first time that our #1 WR goes from remedial production to big time production in 1 season. Fuller did it from his freshman to sophomore seasons. Nobody thought he was a first round talent after his freshman season. The guy who is not being talked about enough is CJ Sanders. I still contend that he'll be one of the best players on this team with the ball in his hands, kids dynamic. Kelly realizes this, that's why he's working exclusively with the 1's. He's going to have a breakout season, mark it down. ESB is a little bit of a wildcard. I could see him having a Fuller type freshman season where he makes some big plays but isn't consistent. The good news is, we have a collection of guys like Boykin (playing better), Holmes, Claypool, Stepherson, etc. that could contribute.

Keep in mind that in 2014 we came into the year in this exact same spot, with a lot of question marks at WR. Fuller became the #1, Chris Brown/Robinson double teamed the W position, and CJ Prosise was productive out of the slot. Sound familiar. Hunter #1, ESB/Boykin (W), Sanders at slot. That 2014 WR group was good enough to win all the games we played in. Plus, I think we'll have better QB play which will help and the RB group is better.

Demise might be too strong a word. Raw might be more accurate. We all know there's a lot of talent and potential in this WR crew. It just might not be prudent to go with a heavy passing attack against Texas given the experience on the OL, QB, and RB positions. It may be asking too much of our WRs to go to Texas passing heavy in an away game to start the season, going against a team that is looking for blood after being utterly humiliated last year.
 

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you honestly didnt think both would play against texas? I mean even if he came out and named on the starter yesterday the other one would play eventually in that game.

I figured both would play, but am curious how he is going to handle it? Will he split quarters, possessions, by field position and time left on the clock? What if the starter comes out on fire?Does he stick with them until they cool off? Just curious as to how playing time will be meted out.
 

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I just think that the demise of our WR corp is being drastically overstated. By all accounts Hunter looks prepared to be the new #1. This will not be the first time that our #1 WR goes from remedial production to big time production in 1 season. Fuller did it from his freshman to sophomore seasons. Nobody thought he was a first round talent after his freshman season. The guy who is not being talked about enough is CJ Sanders. I still contend that he'll be one of the best players on this team with the ball in his hands, kids dynamic. Kelly realizes this, that's why he's working exclusively with the 1's. He's going to have a breakout season, mark it down. ESB is a little bit of a wildcard. I could see him having a Fuller type freshman season where he makes some big plays but isn't consistent. The good news is, we have a collection of guys like Boykin (playing better), Holmes, Claypool, Stepherson, etc. that could contribute.

Keep in mind that in 2014 we came into the year in this exact same spot, with a lot of question marks at WR. Fuller became the #1, Chris Brown/Robinson double teamed the W position, and CJ Prosise was productive out of the slot. Sound familiar. Hunter #1, ESB/Boykin (W), Sanders at slot. That 2014 WR group was good enough to win all the games we played in. Plus, I think we'll have better QB play which will help and the RB group is better.

I'm with you.
 

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Demise might be too strong a word. Raw might be more accurate. We all know there's a lot of talent and potential in this WR crew. It just might not be prudent to go with a heavy passing attack against Texas given the experience on the OL, QB, and RB positions. It may be asking too much of our WRs to go to Texas passing heavy in an away game to start the season, going against a team that is looking for blood after being utterly humiliated last year.

Maybe, but with BK calling plays (right?) we are going to pass at lest 50% of the time.
 
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only reason i bring this up right now is that i am experiencing it right now w/ pitching...it's terrible and mechanically it just doesn't feel right and i keep changing my mechanics...it was just something that made me think why all of a sudden is his mechanics off...just a thought

dude...I have fixed 100 softball pitchers...you have a case of Steve Blass Disease...I got it once too...sucks.

two things

...you may actually have done something to the nerves in your arm which change the feedback you are used to getting...so you are throwing untethered. If you've had trauma to your arm or shoulder, or tendonitus, it can goof you up because the muscles don't fire right, and provide the feedback you are used to. Go get someone to do a dry needle procedure on you (physical therapists do it), shoulder, elbow, and wrist. Then follow the physical therapists instructions...

...you may have talked yourself into reliance upon feedback that is a liar...get on the mound with a bucket of balls, put a catcher behind the plate, and a video camera next to you and start filming. Look at the target, and close your eyes, go through your routine, and deliver the ball. keep your eyes closed until you hear the ball hit the glove or dirt. Don't ask where the ball went, and don't focus on that. Keep doing it. If after a bucket, your catcher says you generally throw strikes, you need to keep doing this in your warmup routine because you have lying eyes...which means your mechanics are fine, you have a tendency to lose them based on trying to compensate for bad feedback from your eyes...you need to drive muscle memory, and confidence from feel, and use your eyes only pre-pitch, and then become a robot. If you are off and all over the place with mechanics ( you'll know when your catcher tells you and after you review the film...its feedback other than eyes...see my first suggestion...

Also, if you have significantly changed your load, or your workout regimen, that can screw you up. DO the blind work...it will all come back...just don't freak out. Your brain is the enemy to mechanics...
 

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dude...I have fixed 100 softball pitchers...you have a case of Steve Blass Disease...I got it once too...sucks.

two things

...you may actually have done something to the nerves in your arm which change the feedback you are used to getting...so you are throwing untethered. If you've had trauma to your arm or shoulder, or tendonitus, it can goof you up because the muscles don't fire right, and provide the feedback you are used to. Go get someone to do a dry needle procedure on you (physical therapists do it), shoulder, elbow, and wrist. Then follow the physical therapists instructions...

...you may have talked yourself into reliance upon feedback that is a liar...get on the mound with a bucket of balls, put a catcher behind the plate, and a video camera next to you and start filming. Look at the target, and close your eyes, go through your routine, and deliver the ball. keep your eyes closed until you hear the ball hit the glove or dirt. Don't ask where the ball went, and don't focus on that. Keep doing it. If after a bucket, your catcher says you generally throw strikes, you need to keep doing this in your warmup routine because you have lying eyes...which means your mechanics are fine, you have a tendency to lose them based on trying to compensate for bad feedback from your eyes...you need to drive muscle memory, and confidence from feel, and use your eyes only pre-pitch, and then become a robot. If you are off and all over the place with mechanics ( you'll know when your catcher tells you and after you review the film...its feedback other than eyes...see my first suggestion...

Also, if you have significantly changed your load, or your workout regimen, that can screw you up. DO the blind work...it will all come back...just don't freak out. Your brain is the enemy to mechanics...

Can you fix my golf swing?
 
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On WR, I see it like this.

Significant drop at the #1 (Fuller >> Hunter)

Marginal drop at the #2 (Hunter > ESB? Hunter didn't do much last year).

Slot: Likely a marginal increase, just because Carlisle was nothing at that spot.
 

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On WR, I see it like this.

Significant drop at the #1 (Fuller >> Hunter)

Marginal drop at the #2 (Hunter > ESB? Hunter didn't do much last year).

Slot: Likely a marginal increase, just because Carlisle was nothing at that spot.

I think there is a distinct chance that ESB actually becomes the deep threat.
 

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On WR, I see it like this.

Significant drop at the #1 (Fuller >> Hunter)

Marginal drop at the #2 (Hunter > ESB? Hunter didn't do much last year).

Slot: Likely a marginal increase, just because Carlisle was nothing at that spot.

I think you could be right about the Slot given how electric Sanders can be, but to call Carlisle nothing is a bit of a slight imo. He made plays, and actually had more receptions than Hunter last year (#3 on the team behind Fuller and Brown). He was also good enough for Arizona to pick him up.
 

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Can you fix my golf swing?

I do football and baseball/softball...

And fix your golf swing...I'm going to guess you are generally within 3-4 of par per 9...

Anything I'd tell you would almost certainly make it worse...
 

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He's not going to stand behind you and hold you during your swing....

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