2013 Fall Camp Thread

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Of all the positions in football a true freshman has the greatest chance of making a large impact at running back provided that he is not expected to do anything else. If he has a strong line, can count to three and his only job is to take the ball and hit the left or right hole, what is there to learn?

Blocking... In Kelly's offense... blocking.
 

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who was the last true frosh RB to have significant playing time at ND? Allen? Walker?
 
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Blocking... In Kelly's offense... blocking.

This is the one element that was emphasized during Bryant's recruitment. He was one of a very few HS RB that did have to pass block in HS. Not saying he will be up to speed to block in the college game right away but if he did indeed have to block in HS, he will be ahead of the curve that most freshman RB have to get past in Kelly's system. If that is his only hurdle to getting onto the field, it is another reason I am optimistic we will see #1 on offense a lot this year (and no, not the Irish Chocolate package).
 

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from Keith yesterday

from Keith yesterday

That’s Tommy Rees (11) working the mobility drills. I’ve heard from multiple people over the past few weeks that have independently said how strong and athletic Rees looks during summer and camp workouts. I’ve also heard that his arm strength looks better than it has in the past, something that could play a huge role in this offense being more efficient if the run game gets cranked up and play-action opportunities present themselves.
 

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That’s Tommy Rees (11) working the mobility drills. I’ve heard from multiple people over the past few weeks that have independently said how strong and athletic Rees looks during summer and camp workouts. I’ve also heard that his arm strength looks better than it has in the past, something that could play a huge role in this offense being more efficient if the run game gets cranked up and play-action opportunities present themselves.

i sure hope this is all for real
 
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Tuitt looks like he's got a bit more "blubber" on him this season. I know I know, he had off season hernia surgery, but I can't help but wonder if this extra weight he has on him will effect his quickness.

The biggest part of his game in his quickness and explosion off the LOS. I sure hope he didn't loose some of it.

Several have mentioned this. Are you sure you are not looking at him from the spring? Because once again yesterday it showed him destroying a blocking dummy, and I didn't think he looked bad at all. Reports published showed him down from 322 to 315, even though he shows up at 322 on the spring roster (both copies).
 
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That’s Tommy Rees (11) working the mobility drills. I’ve heard from multiple people over the past few weeks that have independently said how strong and athletic Rees looks during summer and camp workouts. I’ve also heard that his arm strength looks better than it has in the past, something that could play a huge role in this offense being more efficient if the run game gets cranked up and play-action opportunities present themselves.

I heard he benched his body weight.
 
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That’s Tommy Rees (11) working the mobility drills. I’ve heard from multiple people over the past few weeks that have independently said how strong and athletic Rees looks during summer and camp workouts. I’ve also heard that his arm strength looks better than it has in the past, something that could play a huge role in this offense being more efficient if the run game gets cranked up and play-action opportunities present themselves.

I think it's time Keith be introduced to the 'Crazy kool aid statements' thread, lol.
 

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I think it's time Keith be introduced to the 'Crazy kool aid statements' thread, lol.

I didn't know you have seen enough practice/know enough people close to the program to be so sure that a player can't improve in the offseason
 

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Most college men, athletes or not, come in as boys and go out [physically, mentally, confidence-wise] as men. There is no obvious reason to suspect that someone like Tommy Rees can't do the same in all three areas. He certainly has always had the right attitude about getting better by effort. That plus the coaching and the moral support of his buddies could do what needs to be done.

Tommy Rees will never be mistaken for RGIII, but I'll wait to see what "Tommy Rees, Senior Notre Dame Man" can become. I believe that it is at least reasonable to have some optimism here.

IF the right side of the OLine really firms up, then I think that Tommy will have some "rocking chair time", OFTEN, to set up and throw, reading his progressions accurately and not nervously staring down a missing Eifert. That line will also give the running threat that Tommy never can, so that only in 3rd and long will his inability to "Johnny Football it" make a difference.

With true protection, I am quite happy with his accuracy, even more than Everett's last season [thank God Everett could keep drives going with his athleticism, as he often stopped them with his inaccuracy]. Tommy might just, with upgraded OLine help, be the unspectacular "Pike-type QB" to surgically move the team downfield.

I'm not as nervous about Tommy as I am about Right Guard, and Safety "mental play". We're loaded with athleticism at safety, but not yet [to my viewing] with intelligent generalship. If I was Elliot [yeh, I know, thank God I'm not], I'd go with Matthias Farley and the fellow who has the defense down most smartly from the rest of the group. ... whoever that is among our pile of really good players there.

None of our problems seem hard to solve, at least in theory. If we get perhaps only three things smoothed out, this team is going to be better than last year's, maybe significantly so. If we flop on those areas, or get unlucky injuries, then we're not.
 

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Most college men, athletes or not, come in as boys and go out [physically, mentally, confidence-wise] as men. There is no obvious reason to suspect that someone like Tommy Rees can't do the same in all three areas. He certainly has always had the right attitude about getting better by effort. That plus the coaching and the moral support of his buddies could do what needs to be done.

Tommy Rees will never be mistaken for RGIII, but I'll wait to see what "Tommy Rees, Senior Notre Dame Man" can become. I believe that it is at least reasonable to have some optimism here.

IF the right side of the OLine really firms up, then I think that Tommy will have some "rocking chair time", OFTEN, to set up and throw, reading his progressions accurately and not nervously staring down a missing Eifert. That line will also give the running threat that Tommy never can, so that only in 3rd and long will his inability to "Johnny Football it" make a difference.

With true protection, I am quite happy with his accuracy, even more than Everett's last season [thank God Everett could keep drives going with his athleticism, as he often stopped them with his inaccuracy]. Tommy might just, with upgraded OLine help, be the unspectacular "Pike-type QB" to surgically move the team downfield.

I'm not as nervous about Tommy as I am about Right Guard, and Safety "mental play". We're loaded with athleticism at safety, but not yet [to my viewing] with intelligent generalship. If I was Elliot [yeh, I know, thank God I'm not], I'd go with Matthias Farley and the fellow who has the defense down most smartly from the rest of the group. ... whoever that is among our pile of really good players there.

None of our problems seem hard to solve, at least in theory. If we get perhaps only three things smoothed out, this team is going to be better than last year's, maybe significantly so. If we flop on those areas, or get unlucky injuries, then we're not.

I think added protection for TR will be a good thing. However, I am of the opinion that the offense will be designed to prevent TR from taking too much time in the pocket. His arm strength isn't the best, so he stands to benefit from quick reads and quick throws with the occasional 7 step drop. If we see Tommy taking more 7 step drops than 5 step drops, I think we are in trouble.
 

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Hopefully our D will be much better than 2011 so we aren't forced to throw long, and have the option of running, short passes and just keeping the playbook open in general.

Also I haven't heard much talk of Elijah Shumate recently. I really liked his play last year, and am excited to see him this season. What do you guys expect his role to be? There is not enough PT for all of the talent back there!
 

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Also I haven't heard much talk of Elijah Shumate recently. I really liked his play last year, and am excited to see him this season. What do you guys expect his role to be? There is not enough PT for all of the talent back there!

Starting SS.
 
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Tuitt looks like he's got a bit more "blubber" on him this season. I know I know, he had off season hernia surgery, but I can't help but wonder if this extra weight he has on him will effect his quickness.

The biggest part of his game in his quickness and explosion off the LOS. I sure hope he didn't loose some of it.

Several have mentioned this. Are you sure you are not looking at him from the spring? Because once again yesterday it showed him destroying a blocking dummy, and I didn't think he looked bad at all. Reports published showed him down from 322 to 315, even though he shows up at 322 on the spring roster (both copies).

Here is what Keith Arnold had to say during his Practice 2 Analysis:

(There’s been some talk about Tuitt’s camp weight, with his listed 322 pounds larger than Kelly expected him to be after his offseason weight gain raised a few eyebrows in spring practice. Tuitt was able to train with the team this summer, and before you read too far into the number posted, consider the very real chance that they just didn’t adjust the number from the last roster.)

Also, Whiskey posted a great analysis from OFD of TR's improvement, showing in '11 his inability to belly back to the line, as a reason for limited vision and strength that led to one if not most of Tommy's SA interceptions. Two things:

1) '11 was Charlie Molnar's last year as Offensive Coordinator;
2) A little Technical Adjustment can go long way toward improving a quarterback's arm and vision, the two knocks against TR.

That’s Tommy Rees (11) working the mobility drills. I’ve heard from multiple people over the past few weeks that have independently said how strong and athletic Rees looks during summer and camp workouts. I’ve also heard that his arm strength looks better than it has in the past, something that could play a huge role in this offense being more efficient if the run game gets cranked up and play-action opportunities present themselves.

The main reason TR is looking better, besides the fact that he looks like an athlete now, is that the technical end of his performance is better. See Whiskey's posting in TR's thread. It may have taken most of two years, but TR either finally unlearned Charlie Molnar's offense, or got the coaching CM missed when he had the chance in '10 or '11.
 
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Starting SS.

Agreed, I think fall camp will give him enough time to get the position down mentally. They've basically already told us he is ridiculously good at everything else. Just needs to get down assignments and the mental part of it.
 

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he has had one practice in pads since he stepped on campus in January of 2012 in which he was full go, and in that practice, he broke his collarbone.
 
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To keep the thread on point, I'm still dumbfounded every time we hear a 2 minute interview from a recruit and we deem him a high character, RKG.

A guy like Manziel probably sounded awesome in his recruiting interviews. Public speaking/interview skills has nothing to do with character/integrity/RKG-ness.

Now carry on yolo-ing!

Edit: can mod move this to kool-aid thread?
 
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he has had one practice in pads since he stepped on campus in January of 2012 in which he was full go, and in that practice, he broke his collarbone.

I think he'll end up as a slot WR. Folston will be Theo 2.0. Bryant will be our pure RB.
 

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I think he'll end up as a slot WR. Folston will be Theo 2.0. Bryant will be our pure RB.

I agree with this. When I think about our RBs, I don't even think of Amir because I don't expect him to play a traditional RB role in our offense.
 
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