'20 NJ OLB Cody Simon (Ohio State Verbal)

[BobbyMac]

You had to bring up Cam Mcgrone . . .

Would you like a side of AJ Dillon with your order?

 

[T-Boone]

You had to bring up Cam Mcgrone . . .

Is he doing well?
edit: i just looked him up and he appeared in one game on special teams as a freshman.

 

[NDIrish88]

Would you like a side of AJ Dillon with your order?

There goes my week

 

[Irish#1]

I'm still going to trust the staff on this one, but it does seem strange to not lock up one of the top LB's. Heck, let him play end a few snaps here and there.

 

[InKellyWeTrust]

So we were all in n Asa Turner right up until signing day last year but we pass on a seemingly equally talented LB? It doesn't add up to me but I surely am not in the know kn these things.

 

[Veritate Duce Progredi]

So we were all in n Asa Turner right up until signing day last year but we pass on a seemingly equally talented LB? It doesn't add up to me but I surely am not in the know kn these things.

TBF, instead of ASA, we got Liufau and Bertrand, in addition to Kiser and Ekwonu.

It's a tough position because Bertrand loved ND and we can't turn down 4 star players who love the school but we also oversigned the position the last 2 years so now we really don't 'need' another LB.

The problem is Simon looks so good in camps that it's hard to turn down a potential top 100 LB.

 

[zelezo vlk]

I don't think that Liufau and Bertrand or Asa Turner was the option. The staff were fighting for Asa even after getting Liufau and Bertrand committed. That's at least how I remember it.

 

[Veritate Duce Progredi]

I don't think that Liufau and Bertrand or Asa Turner was the option. The staff were fighting for Asa even after getting Liufau and Bertrand committed. That's at least how I remember it.

Oh...then disregard my previous post.

 

[zelezo vlk]

Oh...then disregard my previous post.

Yeah, the fact that they were pursuing Asa after Lifuau & Bertrand's commitment made me puzzled why they wouldn't look into another linebacker for this cycle. Yeah yeah, different cycles so numbers are different, but if you wanted to add another body to the group and there's a guy who is a logical fit (tho not a lock), then why not take him? The staff must not be as high on Cody as others.

 

[fightingirish26]

Not to get all doom and gloom, but this has been on my mind for a little while. Anyone else think this is bad news regarding Shayne? Not in terms of transferring, but in terms of not being that good at football? Cause I mean if Shayne was absolutely lighting it up I would have a hard time seeing the staff designate Cody as surplus to requirements. Obviously the numbers game is a big factor but it might not be everything.

 

[BobbyMac]

Not to get all doom and gloom, but this has been on my mind for a little while. Anyone else think this is bad news regarding Shayne? Not in terms of transferring, but in terms of not being that good at football? Cause I mean if Shayne was absolutely lighting it up I would have a hard time seeing the staff designate Cody as surplus to requirements. Obviously the numbers game is a big factor but it might not be everything.

Using that logic wouldn't Alaska Gilman & Michael Love been offered?

 

[Veritate Duce Progredi]

Not to get all doom and gloom, but this has been on my mind for a little while. Anyone else think this is bad news regarding Shayne? Not in terms of transferring, but in terms of not being that good at football? Cause I mean if Shayne was absolutely lighting it up I would have a hard time seeing the staff designate Cody as surplus to requirements. Obviously the numbers game is a big factor but it might not be everything.

No. Way too early to correlate anything to how Shayne is playing. He's a RS freshman. Give him at least another year before we start putting labels on him.

 

[fightingirish26]

Using that logic wouldn't Alaska Gilman & Michael Love been offered?

I almost elaborated but didn't feel the need. You couldn't really use Sam Mustipher to judge PJ as they played different positions. Same thing with J+M Love, plus M Love is tiny. Alakai is prob too small as well.

But Shayne and Cody are playing more or less the same position at similar sizes. I generally agree that it's too early to judge Shayne as a RS FR but if I was the staff, Shayne's play would definitely be a factor in this recruitment to some extent. Along with other factors, like behavior and overall fit.

I just feel like if I was on the staff, and Shayne was looking like a top 100 recruit, I wouldn't be pushing his highly rated little brother with similar measurables out.

 

[NDdomer2]

How can you push him out if he's never been in?

 

[BobbyMac]

How can you push him out if he's never been in?

First World problems of a Test Tube Baby.

 

[NDIrish88]

I'm. Not buying they dont have room for him anymore. 12 commits now. Carmody is 13 plus another 4 DBs is 17. 2 more WRs is 19. Even if you throw in melton they could still add him at 21.

 

[BobbyMac]

I'm. Not buying they dont have room for him anymore. 12 commits now. Carmody is 13 plus another 4 DBs is 17. 2 more WRs is 19. Even if you throw in melton they could still add him at 21.

With Atteberry and Coleman off the board, the only thing stopping him from a guaranteed spot (if they haven't lost his attention) is Melton committing. Sounds like he's a counter at LB evven though he's coming in with Botelho like Hayes & Okwara didin '16.

I stick by the idea that there will be room for him at some point... but will he want the spot is the question.

First world problems fosho.

 

[NDIrish88]

Clint Brewster CB to OSU. I'm gonna puke again.

 

[Irish#1]

With Atteberry and Coleman off the board, the only thing stopping him from a guaranteed spot (if they haven't lost his attention) is Melton committing. Sounds like he's a counter at LB evven though he's coming in with Botelho like Hayes & Okwara didin '16.

I stick by the idea that there will be room for him at some point... but will he want the spot is the question.

First world problems fosho.

Clint Brewster CB to OSU. I'm gonna puke again.

There's your answer.

 

[NDIrish88]

Granted, I think Farrell is a nut, but this only makes me want Cody Simon more in this class.

https://n.rivals.com/news/ask-farrell-how-weak-is-the-2021-linebacker-class-

 

[NDIrish88]

So I know we have discussed this over and over again but, now I think there should be numbers for Cody Simon in this class. Driskell has stated the max ND will go to is 22. Not sure if they actually want to go that high but who knows. IF ND lands Offord, Bartleson, Nixon, Watts, 2 more WRS and 2 more DBS it will have a class of 21. I even over estimated the amount of WRs and DBs they make take. They are not going to land everybody, Melton looks as if he is going to UM, and EJ Holland has said Cody and Lea speak all the time. So I am wondering what other dominoes have to fall in order to get Cody into the class.

 

[stlnd01]

So I know we have discussed this over and over again but, now I think there should be numbers for Cody Simon in this class. Driskell has stated the max ND will go to is 22. Not sure if they actually want to go that high but who knows. IF ND lands Offord, Bartleson, Nixon, Watts, 2 more WRS and 2 more DBS it will have a class of 21. I even over estimated the amount of WRs and DBs they make take. They are not going to land everybody, Melton looks as if he is going to UM, and EJ Holland has said Cody and Lea speak all the time. So I am wondering what other dominoes have to fall in order to get Cody into the class.

There. Is. Always. Room.

Which is why, in this case, it almost feels like it's either
A: A numbers thing specific to linebacker depth.
Or
B: They just don't really want him that much.

Either way, I don't get it. Cody Simon seems like a take all day. Would really hate to watch him turn into a top-line player at Ohio State.

 

[Veritate Duce Progredi]

So I know we have discussed this over and over again but, now I think there should be numbers for Cody Simon in this class. Driskell has stated the max ND will go to is 22. Not sure if they actually want to go that high but who knows. IF ND lands Offord, Bartleson, Nixon, Watts, 2 more WRS and 2 more DBS it will have a class of 21. I even over estimated the amount of WRs and DBs they make take. They are not going to land everybody, Melton looks as if he is going to UM, and EJ Holland has said Cody and Lea speak all the time. So I am wondering what other dominoes have to fall in order to get Cody into the class.

Yes you did. If they sign Nixon and Watts, both are capable of playing on either side. I think they take 1 more true WR at most if that happens (and it sounds like McMillan would be the top target).

 

[NDIrish88]

Yes you did. If they sign Nixon and Watts, both are capable of playing on either side. I think they take 1 more true WR at most if that happens (and it sounds like McMillan would be the top target).

I would agree with you there. I think they want at least one true safety as well, so a minimum of 5 DBs is what they will take, IMO. If Brunelle has the green light and they get McMillan that would stand at 20.

Also ND has a few LBs with injury history like Jack Lamb, Drew White and JD Bertrand.

2021 does not look as promising for LBS either. Something seems off with this big time.

 

[Veritate Duce Progredi]

I would agree with you there. I think they want at least one true safety as well, so a minimum of 5 DBs is what they will take, IMO. If Brunelle has the green light and they get McMillan that would stand at 20.

Also ND has a few LBs with injury history like Jack Lamb, Drew White and JD Bertrand.

2021 does not look as promising for LBS either. Something seems off with this big time.

Agreed. Let's hope Simon has maintained interest in the Irish so when the staff finally realizes we have space, he might still jump on board.

 

[IrishLax]

In general, ND has always gotten burned when they "pass" on quality players because they're "full". We're never actually full. Last year they did a great job of taking player past what we "should" and accounting for attrition. In previous years... the '12 class in particular is a great example of this... we would often get burned closer to NSD by players flaking because there was no recruiting depth behind them.

ND has passed on a LOT of quality players in this class already, primarily because of head count. We'll see if it works out differently than years past.

 

[arrowryan]

Can anyone come up with a list of players that they passed on in the Kelly era? I’d consider them a miss if they were multi year college starters and/or spent time in the NFL.

Whether the staff has room for Cody or not, I can live with their decision. Luck said it before, Notre Dame has plenty of linebackers with strengths similar to Cody. They just don’t have the experience yet.

 

[Domina Nostra]

Can anyone come up with a list of players that they passed on in the Kelly era? I’d consider them a miss if they were multi year college starters and/or spent time in the NFL.

Whether the staff has room for Cody or not, I can live with their decision. Luck said it before, Notre Dame has plenty of linebackers with strengths similar to Cody. They just don’t have the experience yet.

Does it start with Gio Bernard?

 

[NDMIA]

What constitutes being passed on? ND had their commitment almost in hand and decided they wanted different guys? Or everyone agrees they had a really good chance at landing them and ND didn't take them or recruit them that hard? There's a ton of gray area in there. For example, was JJ McCarthy passed on? There's no guarantee that ND lands him if they offer him early and beat out Michigan. It's tricky. Also, it requires someone with vast knowledge of the recruiting processes going back several years. I could think off the top of my head I have been keeping track of Malik Vann, Devin O'Rourke, and John Waggoner from the 2018 class who all wanted to be at ND (John Waggoner especially) and were either never offered or pursued very hard.

2018 Class
DL RS FR John Waggoner 6'5'' 270 - Redshirted, already in 2 deep for year 2
DL RS FR Devin O'Rourke 6'6'' 248 - Redshirted,
DL SO Malik Vann 6'4'' 263 - In 2 deep and played every game last season
RB SO Ronnie Walker 5'11'' 210 - #2 RB in 2019 season at IU
WR SO Solomon Enis 6'3'' 205 - #5 WR his FR YR, #4 going into 2019
WR SO Rondale Moore 5'9'' 175 - Was he ever passed on???
TE RS FR Luke Ford 6'6'' 250 - Don't know if he'd even go to ND if recruited hard
OL RS FR Tommy Brown 6'7'' 315 - Visited twice from Cali, had family in SB
OL RS FR Emil Ekiyor 6'3'' 327 - We'll see...we'll see
LB RS FR Cameron McGrone 6'1'' 228 - Redshirted, could see minutes in year 2

Here's a small snippet of guys I stole from the 247 positional rankings. There's a whole host of problems you run into with thinking about who ND "passed on". An example, Solomon Enis was evaluated in person by Del Alexander and Brian Polian and no offer came from the visit. If they had offered immediately, taken Brian Kelly on a private jet in the recruiting period and recruited him hard as hell, then maybe they win that recruitment, but there's so many unknowns and he didn't go to campus at all. I liked him as a prospect a lot which is why I included him, but by the logic I just listed, almost any player that ND watched film on or evaluated and didn't offer is "passed on" and that's 200+ kids a cycle. Feel free to correct some guys from that list cause I really don't remember if Rondale Moore was ever recruited, would've even come to ND, or if Cam McGrone was recruited hard or passed on. Luke Ford seemed like a silly pass, but he's been a nonfactor in college football so far and we'll see what he does at Illinois because George Takacs and Tommy Tremble looked like the right takes in this cycle. For other classes I have no idea, but for starters, let me know about 2018 and potentially other classes in the past.

 

[Irish Man3]

Not sure IE would like some of the names this staff has told thanks but no thanks to over the last...... 8 years.