'18 SC QB Sam Hartman (Notre Dame Transfer)

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a mike said:
Now that's simply not true.

I spent all of July ripping on Brown. And I've also taken pot shots at Deland for having one foot out the door and not bothering to recruit since last summer.

All this whilst never saying anything critical about Rudolph nor Golden nor Gua.....wait a minute.....OMG??.....Am I really actually a racist? OH DEAR!!

But, but, but no, wait--lets think about this calmly and rationally--I've never said anything disparaging about Mickens nor Washington because--you know--they're like actually doing well at their job.

So it's actually just kinda like I'm just voicing my displeasure about certain aspects of the football team?

And perhaps I'm not a racist nor a "negative poster"?

And the people labeling me as such are suffering from a toxic and ignorant cocktail of ad homenin, projection, recency bias, confirmation bias--all the while not being able to intellectual engage on any of my points and observations?

And they're just behaving in a very overly emotional, reactionary, feminine manner because someone is saying something they can't refute but yet upsets them to hear?

Whew, this new revelation is such a relief!
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If this is what you think of most of us, why are you here?
 
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arrowryan said:
Does anyone know the backstory of II’s and Sampson’s borderline negative comments about Hartman’s time at ND? They never go into detail, but they make it seem that the people/staff at ND were not impressed post OSU.

Was he perfect? No, but he was screwed over with the promotion of Parker and the handling of the receiver situation.
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Hartman wasn't a bad guy but he also wasn't a leader. ND thought they were bringing in a leader. He was a little more 'detached' from what I've read/heard. Not a knock on him, if he played lights out it wouldn't have mattered. It matters because of how things shook out.

Parker wasn't a great hire (I personally think there was more chess involved in this than some are willing to admit) but he called a good enough game to win the tOSU game. Hartman not going for it on his 4th scamper and turning the wrong way were killers at different points. The called screen to Estime was a thing of beauty and Hartman, knowing he had to get it over any of the defenders, still didn't put enough air under it. That's why tOSU was able to pull off a miracle come back.

Parker wasn't ideal. Hartman wasn't either.


a mike said:
You needed to go one rung further up the ladder.

Maybe next time we don't get played for a raise by an OC at a mid-level program or get flat turned down by another?

But then certainly don't entertain the idea of hiring your buddy who's limited other experiences as an OC at two separate lower-level programs resulted in terminations.

Then we don't have to endure a second straight season that was DOA because of an obvious offseason misstep such as....say....rolling with an oft injured pick-6 machine and a 5'9 physically and athletic-impaired pair of QBs--rather than--obviously, addressing the shortcoming through the transfer portal like any other HC with any experience and discernment whatsoever would have seen necessary to do at the time.

And then were one wishing to win a NY Day bowl for the first time in two and a half decades, and the only obstacle was weathering two minutes and one half of football spotted a three TD lead, one could simply take back the reigns to the defense from an obvious abject train wreck experiment of a DC rather than one simply sitting there for 32 minutes of gameplay with one's hands on one's knees off alone not saying or doing anything to even consider taking control of the situation unraveling right jn front of one's eyes.
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Your ignorance is showing through. You know fuckall and you always pass it off as objective thought. If we followed every suggestion you make (and if we had record of all those you made before you were "a mike"), we'd be the most unstable program in CFB because we'd have fired everyone.

I'm positive you were one of the people who was very down on Golden after his first year. Because you're down on everyone unless they perform near perfect. Some were even saying we should be shopping for a new DC. I'm guessing you were also down on Al Washington at first. Mickens was a friend-hire, seems to have worked out well. Same with Chad Bowden. Same with our now departed safeties coach. And it also seems like our early returns on the first two recruiting classes have been extremely high.

He's made excellent hires almost across the board. The only ones I think he'd have redone would've been Stuckey and Parker (but I think Parker was a 1 year rental and it was known). I think after the UofU situation played out, their communication with Denbrock revealed that he was too locked into the 23 season at LSU, Denbrock likely expressed interest and let them know he'd be interested after the 2023 season was in the books. We know how quickly things played out and how Denbrock was supposed to sign the extension, etc. etc.

In retrospect, it really seems like we used Parker as the bridge and surrounded him with people to try and string together a successful season. He set a scoring record and our WR room was so depleted we didn't have enough guys to even consider 4 wide in most games. Parker was overmatched in the bigger games but still gave ND a chance despite an underperforming QB and potentially the worst WR room we've seen.

Freeman has attacked the portal with all of the resources he's been given. He's attacked recruiting with known limitations that ND takes effort on and off the field, we know that won't appeal to some recruits. I bet we could study the recruiting classes from Kelly's tenure and compare it to Freeman and we'd see an improvement in "hit rate". I may even spend time trying to tease it out if I can get my other work done because your posting is beyond obnoxious now.
 
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NDohio said:
If this is what you think of most of us, why are you here?
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It was just directed at mrmcgrail and IrishLion.

mrmcgrail for some reason decided a person was racist because the person was posting about the coach's lack of on the field production, offseason tactical blunders, and loss of momentum on the recruiting trail. Why mrmcgrail decided to take it to that realm??--not sure.

IrishLion habitually gets his feathers ruffled were a person to speak ill of Freeman. He clearly lacks objectivity on the subject. I'm guessing he sees Freeman as his shiny new toy and has lots of infatuation with him and as such is not open to hearing opposing opinions on Freeman not developing into the coach he hopes/wishes for as it triggers internal cognitive dissonance for him which results in him emotionally lashing out at dissenting opinions on the matter.

One only need pay heed to the mental gymnastics as per the below to see he is simply unable to hold a disparaging thought about Freeman in his head and will go to great lengths to protect himself from the creeping uncertainty that Freeman cannot be his own personal messiah and beacon of hope.

It's got me lol'ing

IrishLion said:
I think Freeman has the same fault of “too loyal to his guys,” but for different reasons.

For Freeman, I think his loyalty comes from just being a genuinely good dude. He’s gonna stick with his guys because he wants to take care of them…
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IrishLion said:
Some people just belong at ND Nation

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And Acamp is the space between their elbows.
 
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a mike said:
It was just directed at mrmcgrail and IrishLion.

mrmcgrail for some reason decided a person was racist because the person was posting about the coach's lack of on the field production, offseason tactical blunders, and loss of momentum on the recruiting trail. Why mrmcgrail decided to take it to that realm??--not sure.

IrishLion habitually gets his feathers ruffled were a person to speak ill of Freeman. He clearly lacks objectivity on the subject. I'm guessing he sees Freeman as his shiny new toy and has lots of infatuation with him and as such is not open to hearing opposing opinions on Freeman not developing into the coach he hopes/wishes for as it triggers internal cognitive dissonance for him which results in him emotionally lashing out at dissenting opinions on the matter.

One only need pay heed to the mental gymnastics as per the below to see he is simply unable to hold a disparaging thought about Freeman in his head and will go to great lengths to protect himself from the creeping uncertainty that Freeman cannot be his own personal messiah and beacon of hope.

It's got me lol'ing
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If you can't see the difference between Kelly (kind of an asshole, but has his moments) and Freeman (a good person, but lacking in experience), and seemingly have a desire to see all failures to resting expressly on MF's shoulders... that's fine!

But when the only input you bring to this board is constant negativity, you're gonna get called an asshole. I don't make the rules.
 
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Also, I don't think I have a posting history that shows an overabundance of defending MFMF from negativity. I haven't really dipped my toes into this subject too often overall.

My jimmies remain unrustled.
 
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IrishLion said:
I think Freeman has the same fault of “too loyal to his guys,” but for different reasons.

BK was an okay guy, but he’d been in the game a looooong time. There was no reason for him to go with BVG, then stick with BVG a year too long, other than laziness. He has connections and a great rep… he could’ve made some game-changing hires much earlier than he did (2016-2017 reset).

For Freeman, I think his loyalty comes from just being a genuinely good dude. He’s gonna stick with his guys because he wants to take care of them… the problem is that his circle is way too small for that. He has to branch out, and to his credit, he tried last year… but he made the mistake of going public with his main target, and everything went to hell.

I also don’t think it’s a given that Parker is OC again if he doesn’t get the job at Troy… but we’ll never know
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I think Freeman was pretty honest when he said he wasn't going to fire Parker after one season, because Freeman was afforded a second year.

But if we are speculating, I think Freeman will NEVER fire a coach due to performance after one year because he wasn't. Second "chances" like that tend to be incredibly impactful on a generous person (I think Freeman is one) and they want to afford that space for growth to their guys until it burns (fires) them. From a selfish perspective, he could just not want to admit being wrong about Parker, as well.

I'm not going to pretend to know the right answer for Freeman with Parker....but Freeman is responsible for his staff and he didn't fire Parker.
 
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Hartman would've had a better year if Rees was his OC rather than Parker; he didn't help Hartman out at all. ND also didn't have a #1 WR.

Leonard (who we can thank Hartman for) is coming into a better situation than Hartman did last year.
 
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irishandy said:
Hartman would've had a better year if Rees was his OC rather than Parker; he didn't help Hartman out at all. ND also didn't have a #1 WR.

Leonard (who we can thank Hartman for) is coming into a better situation than Hartman did last year.
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100%, other than the less experienced OL. Big upgrade to OC, more experienced and proven WRs, RB room loses a little without Estime but still strong. I bet Hartman takes that scenario over the Parker fiasco.
 
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100%, other than the less experienced OL. Big upgrade to OC, more experienced and proven WRs, RB room loses a little without Estime but still strong. I bet Hartman takes that scenario over the Parker fiasco.
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Well said!
 
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I think all this confirms is that all your asses have been watching hallmark Christmas movies…I know I have.
 
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