'18 SC QB Sam Hartman (Notre Dame Transfer)

[ulukinatme]

Does anyone know the backstory of II’s and Sampson’s borderline negative comments about Hartman’s time at ND? They never go into detail, but they make it seem that the people/staff at ND were not impressed post OSU.

Was he perfect? No, but he was screwed over with the promotion of Parker and the handling of the receiver situation.

Rees stays, we win OSU and Clemson, probably still lose Louisville due to the team being gassed. To be fair, Rees setup his replacement with a very experienced offense everywhere but receiver, and the talent was there it was just young. Problem was the replacement was a noob that had no clue what to do unless he had an overwhelming talent advantage against the team he faced. Parker managed to score just 4 points more against OSU than we did the previous season despite upgrading at QB, receiver, RB, and a more experienced OL. Plus we were at home.

 

[spoonidentity]

Does anyone know the backstory of II’s and Sampson’s borderline negative comments about Hartman’s time at ND? They never go into detail, but they make it seem that the people/staff at ND were not impressed post OSU.

Was he perfect? No, but he was screwed over with the promotion of Parker and the handling of the receiver situation.

I agree and have the same questions in my mind. He did play great in some games and the issue is he wasn't perfect in all games. But he still mentored the young QBs and was an overall good representative of the University.

Unless there is a significant back story other than "underperforming," it all sounds petty.

 

[NDPhilly]

Hartman wasn’t perfect, but we screwed him pretty bad (ignoring the NIL $$$). He probably should have transferred out after Rees left, and I’d be surprised if he doesn’t regret staying.

 

[Valpodoc85]

Sam is a quality guy. He will be fine whatever his path in life

 

[pumpdog20]

Sam's unwillingness to be a dawg cost us against Ohio State. He learned his lesson and helped us beat Duke with a different attitude.
Whatever the reason was, it was a rather disappointment his time here.

 

[Rockin’Irish]

Hartman wasn’t perfect, but we screwed him pretty bad (ignoring the NIL $$$). He probably should have transferred out after Rees left, and I’d be surprised if he doesn’t regret staying.

I wouldn’t be surprised if we see him in the USFL……and I’d bet he made some great business contacts at ND for using down the road.

 

[stlnd01]

Does anyone know the backstory of II’s and Sampson’s borderline negative comments about Hartman’s time at ND? They never go into detail, but they make it seem that the people/staff at ND were not impressed post OSU.

Was he perfect? No, but he was screwed over with the promotion of Parker and the handling of the receiver situation.

I remember there was some discussion (on here) mid-season about his body language during games. Like he'd go off and stand completely by himself a lot of the time, which seems odd for a QB and purported leader and led to some suggestions he'd kinda checked out. But also maybe that's just his process (like some starting pitchers are total weirdos on gameday). I dunno, but it was noticable.
And then the flipflop on playing in the bowl game, which IIRC, he was until he wasn't. But honestly given that basically everyone else on the offense wasn't playing either I don't really blame him.
Maybe those sort of things? But I like Sam. Much respect for sticking after Rees left, and he was always a class act and seemed like a good mentor to the young QBs. Even if he didn't light the world on fire, I'm glad he was here.

 

[ulukinatme]

Sam's unwillingness to be a dawg cost us against Ohio State. He learned his lesson and helped us beat Duke with a different attitude.
Whatever the reason was, it was a rather disappointment his time here.

Blame starts at the top. Parker cost us that game. OSU wanted nothing to do with Estime on that last series, and Parker pulled him in favor of running a screen. If we run the ball one more time instead of the pass, then OSU burns their TO and they're unable to prevent the runoff when they had the intentional grounding penalty. Hell, they probably don't even get the ball back on offense if Estime stays on the field, he probably picks up the 1st.

 

[a mike]

Blame starts at the top. Parker Freeman cost us that game.

You needed to go one rung further up the ladder.

Maybe next time we don't get played for a raise by an OC at a mid-level program or get flat turned down by another?

But then certainly don't entertain the idea of hiring your buddy who's limited other experiences as an OC at two separate lower-level programs resulted in terminations.

Then we don't have to endure a second straight season that was DOA because of an obvious offseason misstep such as....say....rolling with an oft injured pick-6 machine and a 5'9 physically and athletic-impaired pair of QBs--rather than--obviously, addressing the shortcoming through the transfer portal like any other HC with any experience and discernment whatsoever would have seen necessary to do at the time.

And then were one wishing to win a NY Day bowl for the first time in two and a half decades, and the only obstacle was weathering two minutes and one half of football spotted a three TD lead, one could simply take back the reigns to the defense from an obvious abject train wreck experiment of a DC rather than one simply sitting there for 32 minutes of gameplay with one's hands on one's knees off alone not saying or doing anything to even consider taking control of the situation unraveling right jn front of one's eyes.

 

[greyhammer90]

You needed to go one rung further up the ladder.

Maybe next time we don't get played for a raise by an OC at a mid-level program or get flat turned down by another?

But then certainly don't entertain the idea of hiring your buddy who's limited other experiences as an OC at two separate lower-level programs resulted in terminations.

Then we don't have to endure a second straight season that was DOA because of an obvious offseason misstep such as....say....rolling with an oft injured pick-6 machine and a 5'9 physically and athletic-impaired pair of QBs--rather than--obviously, addressing the shortcoming through the transfer portal like any other HC with any experience and discernment whatsoever would have seen necessary to do at the time.

And then were one wishing to win a NY Day bowl for the first time in two and a half decades, and the only obstacle was weathering two minutes and one half of football spotted a three TD lead, one could simply take back the reigns to the defense from an obvious abject train wreck experiment of a DC rather than one simply sitting there for 32 minutes of gameplay with one's hands on one's knees off alone not saying or doing anything to even consider taking control of the situation unraveling right jn front of one's eyes.

I don't know how to feel about Freeman, could you write ten more paragraphs?

 

[Henges24]

I wouldn’t be surprised if we see him in the USFL……and I’d bet he made some great business contacts at ND for using down the road.

Pretty certain he was drafted is the USFL draft

 

[greyhammer90]

Does anyone know the backstory of II’s and Sampson’s borderline negative comments about Hartman’s time at ND? They never go into detail, but they make it seem that the people/staff at ND were not impressed post OSU.

Was he perfect? No, but he was screwed over with the promotion of Parker and the handling of the receiver situation.

Reading the tea leaves, the vibe that I've always gotten about Hartman from the beat was that he started off extremely professional and all-in as per his compensation, but by the time the Louisville game came around he was mentally checked out. I don't remember the exact phrase, but someone at Irish Illustrated outright stated that Sam wasn't trying to earn his paycheck from October on. I also think there is a reason why almost every media member has a worse impression of Hartman than the average fan does. Could be wrong of course, but that's my impression.

 

[NDpendent]

Finally got to use the ignore button. Lots of annoying posters over the years but I never felt the need to use it until now

 

[mrmcgrail]

Yeah I'm starting to think there is something more there with a Mike it's wild. Maybe racial because it's insane that everything goes to Freeman

 

[mcbri014]

Yeah I'm starting to think there is something more there with a Mike it's wild. Maybe racial because it's insane that everything goes to Freeman

Wait, is he du lac and not Irishdrunk?!

 

[a mike]

Maybe racial

Now why on earth good friend would you propose such a theory merely by a person voicing their displeasure of a football coach?

This all just coming out of left field from you for seemingly no related reason whatsoever within the confines/context of discussing a football coach.

What could be causing such an unsolicited provocation?

 

[IrishLion]

Now why on earth good friend would you propose such a theory merely by a person voicing their displeasure of a football coach?

This all just coming out of left field from you for seemingly no related reason whatsoever within the confines/context of discussing a football coach.

What could be causing such an unsolicited provocation?

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This dude been nothing but negative and now he’s out here accusing others of projection lol

Who’s subconsciously feeling inadequate?????

 

[jprue24]

You guys remember Freeman was bringing Parker back right?

 

[stlnd01]

You guys remember Freeman was bringing Parker back right?

Sure. I remember when he was bringing Stuckey back too.

 

[IrishLion]

You guys remember Freeman was bringing Parker back right?

I think Freeman has the same fault of “too loyal to his guys,” but for different reasons.

BK was an okay guy, but he’d been in the game a looooong time. There was no reason for him to go with BVG, then stick with BVG a year too long, other than laziness. He has connections and a great rep… he could’ve made some game-changing hires much earlier than he did (2016-2017 reset).

For Freeman, I think his loyalty comes from just being a genuinely good dude. He’s gonna stick with his guys because he wants to take care of them… the problem is that his circle is way too small for that. He has to branch out, and to his credit, he tried last year… but he made the mistake of going public with his main target, and everything went to hell.

I also don’t think it’s a given that Parker is OC again if he doesn’t get the job at Troy… but we’ll never know

 

[IrishTusker]

Blame starts at the top. Parker cost us that game. OSU wanted nothing to do with Estime on that last series, and Parker pulled him in favor of running a screen. If we run the ball one more time instead of the pass, then OSU burns their TO and they're unable to prevent the runoff when they had the intentional grounding penalty. Hell, they probably don't even get the ball back on offense if Estime stays on the field, he probably picks up the 1st.

Right. That's what Michigan did for 8 minutes or whatever and basically close out that game.

 

[IrishTusker]

Yeah I'm starting to think there is something more there with a Mike it's wild. Maybe racial because it's insane that everything goes to Freeman

There is no evidence of any "racial" issue. As for Freeman, he's the head coach and "ultimately" responsible for everything. Criticism probably has more to go with him being young/inexperienced; being promoted internally after BK bailed; and ND not being a "first time HC job." Hiring Parker was not a great decision, and that's on Freeman. Granted that Swarbrick put him in a difficult position. But he could have hired someone better.

 

[stlnd01]

I think Freeman has the same fault of “too loyal to his guys,” but for different reasons.

BK was an okay guy, but he’d been in the game a looooong time. There was no reason for him to go with BVG, then stick with BVG a year too long, other than laziness. He has connections and a great rep… he could’ve made some game-changing hires much earlier than he did (2016-2017 reset).

For Freeman, I think his loyalty comes from just being a genuinely good dude. He’s gonna stick with his guys because he wants to take care of them… the problem is that his circle is way too small for that. He has to branch out, and to his credit, he tried last year… but he made the mistake of going public with his main target, and everything went to hell.

I also don’t think it’s a given that Parker is OC again if he doesn’t get the job at Troy… but we’ll never know

I think hiring Parker to begin with was largely a function of timing - Rees left pretty late in the hiring cycle, and then the saga with the guy from Utah, we were just a few weeks from spring ball with no OC. Now, maybe making a major long-term decision out of short-term convenience is a mark of inexperience. But it wasn't like Parker was his first (or second or even third) choice there. (unlike BK who largely had his choice of hires and until 2017 mostly hired his buddies).

As for whether we were really keeping Parker after 2023, I think back to Freeman saying he wanted his entire staff back and then Stuckey being flat-out fired 24 hours later. I'm not sure I'd take every word he says at face value (which is fine). I also think the Denbrock move happened so fast I find it unlikely that he and Freeman hadn't been talking before Parker got the Troy job. Guys get "fired" into "better" jobs at a lower level of the sport all the time. Remember Charley Molnar?

 

[mrmcgrail]

If parker was his pick he would never have brought in other candidates and pretty much offered the job to Ludwig with Parker sitting there with him at the hockey game and look at this guy's posts it's all Freeman all the time it's asanine

 

[pumpdog20]

I'm guessing its a small minority, but sure seems like Freeman has lost 3 games this year before the season has even started.
Not understanding the negativity, this is the season of optimism.

 

[a mike]

look at this guy's posts it's all Freeman all the time it's asanine

Now that's simply not true.

I spent all of July ripping on Brown. And I've also taken pot shots at Deland for having one foot out the door and not bothering to recruit since last summer.

All this whilst never saying anything critical about Rudolph nor Golden nor Gua.....wait a minute.....OMG??.....Am I really actually a racist? OH DEAR!!

But, but, but no, wait--lets think about this calmly and rationally--I've never said anything disparaging about Mickens nor Washington because--you know--they're like actually doing well at their job.

So it's actually just kinda like I'm just voicing my displeasure about certain aspects of the football team?

And perhaps I'm not a racist nor a "negative poster"?

And the people labeling me as such are suffering from a toxic and ignorant cocktail of ad homenin, projection, recency bias, confirmation bias--all the while not being able to intellectual engage on any of my points and observations?

And they're just behaving in a very overly emotional, reactionary, feminine manner because someone is saying something they can't refute but yet upsets them to hear?

Whew, this new revelation is such a relief!

 

[MacIrish75]

Now that's simply not true.

I spent all of July ripping on Brown. And I've also taken pot shots at Deland for having one foot out the door and not bothering to recruit since last summer.

All this whilst never saying anything critical about Rudolph nor Golden nor Gua.....wait a minute.....OMG??.....Am I really actually a racist? OH DEAR!!

But, but, but no, wait--lets think about this calmly and rationally--I've never said anything disparaging about Mickens nor Washington because--you know--they're like actually doing well at their job.

So it's actually just kinda like I'm just voicing my displeasure about certain aspects of the football team?

And perhaps I'm not a racist nor a "negative poster"?

And the people labeling me as such are suffering from a toxic and ignorant cocktail of ad homenin, projection, recency bias, confirmation bias--all the while not being able to intellectual engage on any of my points and observations?

And they're just behaving in a very overly emotional, reactionary, feminine manner because someone is saying something they can't refute but yet upsets them to hear?

Whew, this new revelation is such a relief!

I mean, idk if you're racist, but you're absolutely a negative poster lol.

 

[Me2SouthBend]

I mean, idk if you're racist, but you're absolutely a negative poster and troll lol.

FIFY

 

[NDpendent]

Friendly reminder without Sam Hartman we would likely have no Riley Leonard. Sam was working on Leonard behind the scenes since the Duke game.

 

[IrishLion]

Some people just belong at ND Nation