'17 MD SDE Joshua Paschal (Kentucky Verbal)

[Wild Bill]

Long, athletic, and quick edge rushers are just hard to find, and it's really difficult to project how linemen, both O and D, will develop their bodies.

Rochelle, Jones, Trumbetti and Tillery were all highly ranked kids coming out of high school. Is there a team on our schedule with a starting D line that has more stars coming out of high school than these four?

I do agree, this team could use some helping getting after the QB. Sam Hubbard on the edge and Eddie Vanderdoes in the middle combined with what we have would have been nice...

 

[arrowryan]

I was hoping Trumbetti and Daelin Hayes can hold down WDE, so Rochelle can actually get breaks and/or slide inside having Jay Hayes as his full time SDE back up. I wonder if that will happen once Daelin Hayes is healthy.

As is, Jay Hayes is playing jumbo WDE, and Rochelle doesn't really have a quality back up. Don't tell me Bonner until there's reason to believe Bonner is ready to play at this level.

I think Khalid Kareem will be a good backup to Rochelle this year

 

[ND Fan Vancouver]

I think Khalid Kareem will be a good backup to Rochelle this year

That's what I was thinking till I saw him in the blue-gold game. I'm sorry, but he is just not ready. He got pushed around and showed zero burst. Seriously concerned me.

 

[rtrn2glory]

I would think that with our current depth at d line any guy that can help us rush the passer would be a take

 

[dublinirish]

That's what I was thinking till I saw him in the blue-gold game. I'm sorry, but he is just not ready. He got pushed around and showed zero burst. Seriously concerned me.

yup didnt he put on 40 lbs over the spring or something crazy like that? His body will need to get used to the weight. Same thing happened to Jacob Matuska, gained so much weight but lost speed/explosiveness

 

[ColinKSU]

Long, athletic, and quick edge rushers are just hard to find, and it's really difficult to project how linemen, both O and D, will develop their bodies.

Rochelle, Jones, Trumbetti and Tillery were all highly ranked kids coming out of high school. Is there a team on our schedule with a starting D line that has more stars coming out of high school than these four?

I do agree, this team could use some helping getting after the QB. Sam Hubbard on the edge and Eddie Vanderdoes in the middle combined with what we have could have been nice...

I'd be willing to bet that Michigan State, Stanford and USC have lines equivalent in star power to that of the Irish. In terms of actual and expected production, they're all far ahead of ND's line. As for the rest of the schedule, I don't expect Army, Navy or Syracuse to contend with the Irish in terms of star power because they're not national powers.

But even if ND gets through their schedule 12-0, what's the ultimate goal? If it's winning a national title, they still have to meet up with a team like Ohio State or Alabama that has actual big boys who can give Malik or Kizer a long day.

 

[Veritate Duce Progredi]

I'd be willing to bet that Michigan State, Stanford and USC have lines equivalent in star power to that of the Irish. In terms of actual and expected production, they're all far ahead of ND's line. As for the rest of the schedule, I don't expect Army, Navy or Syracuse to contend with the Irish in terms of star power because they're not national powers.

But even if ND gets through their schedule 12-0, what's the ultimate goal? If it's winning a national title, they still have to meet up with a team like Ohio State or Alabama that has actual big boys who can give Malik or Kizer a long day.

Our OL recruiting and production has been the one bright spot. If we can neutralize other team's positional advantage (DL) then we have a great chance. We just need our OL to continue it's great play and we need our DL to take that next step.

But we also need our LBs to take the next step as a unit and we need our DBs to force turnovers/not lose assignments (and I'd settle for the latter if I have to choose).

 

[ColinKSU]

Our OL recruiting and production has been the one bright spot. If we can neutralize other team's positional advantage (DL) then we have a great chance. We just need our OL to continue it's great play and we need our DL to take that next step.

But we also need our LBs to take the next step as a unit and we need our DBs to force turnovers/not lose assignments (and I'd settle for the latter if I have to choose).

I hope Notre Dame figures out a way to translate their OL recruiting and production into actual production in the big game, because they rushed for 121 yards and gave up four sacks to a backup OSU defensive line that was missing its two best linemen. Imagine if Bosa and Adolphus Washington played that entire game.

 

[BobbyMac]

I'd be willing to bet that Michigan State, Stanford and USC have lines equivalent in star power to that of the Irish. In terms of actual and expected production, they're all far ahead of ND's line. As for the rest of the schedule, I don't expect Army, Navy or Syracuse to contend with the Irish in terms of star power because they're not national powers.

But even if ND gets through their schedule 12-0, what's the ultimate goal? If it's winning a national title, they still have to meet up with a team like Ohio State or Alabama that has actual big boys who can give Malik or Kizer a long day.

Not Stanford this year. There's Solomon Thomas as a serious outlier and then a bunch of low/mid 80 Comps. Their O line is in the same shape. McCaffrey's the only thing that has them ranked where they are. They have questions at every other spot.

 

[koonja]

I hope Notre Dame figures out a way to translate their OL recruiting and production into actual production in the big game, because they rushed for 121 yards and gave up four sacks to a backup OSU defensive line that was missing its two best linemen. Imagine if Bosa and Adolphus Washington played that entire game.

Reps for the painful truth.

 

[Wild Bill]

I'd be willing to bet that Michigan State, Stanford and USC have lines equivalent in star power to that of the Irish. In terms of actual and expected production, they're all far ahead of ND's line. As for the rest of the schedule, I don't expect Army, Navy or Syracuse to contend with the Irish in terms of star power because they're not national powers.

But even if ND gets through their schedule 12-0, what's the ultimate goal? If it's winning a national title, they still have to meet up with a team like Ohio State or Alabama that has actual big boys who can give Malik or Kizer a long day.

USC with Green and Gustin are probably more talented but MSU is probably three stars plus McDowell and Stanford is probably three stars plus Thomas. I have no idea but I'm sure it's close.

I don't disagree with you regarding what it takes to win - building from the inside out. I just think it's going to be real hard for ND to land big time edge rushers.

 

[jspags10pg]

I hope Notre Dame figures out a way to translate their OL recruiting and production into actual production in the big game, because they rushed for 121 yards and gave up four sacks to a backup OSU defensive line that was missing its two best linemen. Imagine if Bosa and Adolphus Washington played that entire game.

Disagree here. We fell behind 2 scores early and had to play catch-up the whole game. Adams averaged more yards per carry than Zeke did...the only difference is that Zeke had twice as many carries. Our O-line played fine in that game I thought. Had the defense been able to get a stop we may have been able to run it with a normal game plan a bit more. And don't forget that while OSU's two best defensive lineman were out...so were ours. Day played very little due to his foot (and was ineffective when he did play) and Jarron obviously played very little and wasn't close to fully recovered. And to top it off...their backup in Tillery was suspended. And to add a little more...our all-world linebacker was hurt early on too. So basically, our O-line put our 3rd string, true freshman RB in as good of a position as OSU's O-line put 4 overall draft pick, Zeke in. IMO, O-line wasn't the issue in that game...it was a couple poorly timed turnovers by Kizer and mainly our defense not being able to stop anything. Stating the obvious but...OSU defense > ND defense.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

Some people just cannot be happy or satisfied. Romeo Okwara, who started college just prior to his seventeenth birthday, and was even screwed out of a red shirt his freshman year by Tuitt, et all, led the team in sacks his senior year, and has made an NFL roster, was hard to watch?

Don't want him?

Hmmm.

What needs to change is some of the other ass-hats on the roster, that created artificially thin depth, and interrupted player development in Romeo's case. (One of the few who didn't get extra time at ND.)

Disagree here. We fell behind 2 scores early and had to play catch-up the whole game. Adams averaged more yards per carry than Zeke did...the only difference is that Zeke had twice as many carries. Our O-line played fine in that game I thought. Had the defense been able to get a stop we may have been able to run it with a normal game plan a bit more. And don't forget that while OSU's two best defensive lineman were out...so were ours. Day played very little due to his foot (and was ineffective when he did play) and Jarron obviously played very little and wasn't close to fully recovered. And to top it off...their backup in Tillery was suspended. And to add a little more...our all-world linebacker was hurt early on too. So basically, our O-line put our 3rd string, true freshman RB in as good of a position as OSU's O-line put 4 overall draft pick, Zeke in. IMO, O-line wasn't the issue in that game...it was a couple poorly timed turnovers by Kizer and mainly our defense not being able to stop anything. Stating the obvious but...OSU defense > ND defense.

Incredibly accurate assessment!

 

[koonja]

Some people just cannot be happy or satisfied. Romeo Okwara, who started college just prior to his seventeenth birthday, and was even screwed out of a red shirt his freshman year by Tuitt, et all, led the team in sacks his senior year, and has made an NFL roster, was hard to watch?

Don't want him?

Hmmm.

What needs to change is some of the other ass-hats on the roster, that created artificially thin depth, and interrupted player development in Romeo's case. (One of the few who didn't get extra time at ND.)

No one's blaming Romeo. It's not his fault - it's the staff's job to recruit well enough to not have to start a 3-star, 12 year old.

 

[woolybug25]

Reps for the painful truth.

Ahh... The king of taking one comment and spinning it into the "truth".

We had one of the best olines in the country. They played between adequate and well in every single game. Give me a fucking break.

 

[Luckylucci]

Some people just cannot be happy or satisfied. Romeo Okwara, who started college just prior to his seventeenth birthday, and was even screwed out of a red shirt his freshman year by Tuitt, et all, led the team in sacks his senior year, and has made an NFL roster, was hard to watch?

Don't want him?

Hmmm.

What needs to change is some of the other ass-hats on the roster, that created artificially thin depth, and interrupted player development in Romeo's case. (One of the few who didn't get extra time at ND.)



Incredibly accurate assessment!

How was it Tuitt's fault?

 

[Irish#1]

So I'll caveat with I watched 1:45 of his Hudl. This kid has some work to do IMO. His go to move is bull rushing and over powering the OT, and doesn't seem to have quick feet/athleticism. At 6'2.5" that bull rush won't fly at the D1 level. He needs to use his feet more and develop some moves. I like the offers and love his start ratings, but I might check in and put some pressure on Echols before I took this kid if I were the staff.

Unless of course his film is better elsewhere or in camps.

https://n.rivals.com/content/prospects/maple/162317

Dwight Freeney and Robert Mathis both say hello.

 

[Luckylucci]

No one's blaming Romeo. It's not his fault - it's the staff's job to recruit well enough to not have to start a 3-star, 12 year old.

I'm not sure what everyone is missing. This had nothing to do with recruiting. It was just a dumb decision to play him on ST's. He was not needed at all in the normal rotation his freshman year. They started him Day 1 on ST's, that had nothing to do with recruiting DL.

His freshman season was when we had the best defense ND has seen in decades.

 

[Irish#1]

Yes he did.

Football Recruiting - Joshua Paschal - Player Profiles - ESPN

I didn't see this athleticism on tape. Happy to have missed it and find out the raw athleticism is there.

Says the guy who has admitted he is not a film evaluator.

 

[koonja]

Says the guy who has admitted he is not a film evaluator.

I'd like a list of the IE couch potatoes on here who are certified film evaluators. I think it'd start with Lucci and end with NDcrusader. The rest of us also have eyes and can recognize talent just the same as the next guy. But those two seem to really know what to look for.

 

[Irish#1]

I'd like a list of the IE couch potatoes on here who are certified film evaluators. I think it'd start with Lucci and end with NDcrusader. The rest of us also have eyes and can recognize talent just the same as the next guy. But those two seem to really know what to look for.

Relax bucko. You should know by now I was just having fun. I even rep'd ya for another post.

 

[koonja]

Relax bucko. You should know by now I was just having fun. I even rep'd ya for another post.

If I wanted a joke I'd follow you to the bathroom and watch you take a leak

 

[Sherm Sticky]

And Koon has now hijacked this thread.


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[ND Fan Vancouver]

I'd like a list of the IE couch potatoes on here who are certified film evaluators. I think it'd start with Lucci and end with NDcrusader. The rest of us also have eyes and can recognize talent just the same as the next guy. But those two seem to really know what to look for.

I don't want to toot my own horn but I'll say you guys can count on my film evaluations. I played University football. I have coached high school football for over ten years. I coach at a QB/WR clinic with CFL players. I have my football coaching certification. I live and breathe football.

GO IRISH

 

[NDdomer2]

I'd like a list of the IE couch potatoes on here who are certified film evaluators. I think it'd start with Lucci and end with NDcrusader. The rest of us also have eyes and can recognize talent just the same as the next guy. But those two seem to really know what to look for.

I wouldnt consider myself a film evaluator for all positions but I have watched enough tape from my ol playing days to comment on CB/WR play. Just choose not to do it much because highlight films are highlight films. and true WR play is typically graded from endzone view film. Hard to get true idea of ones route running ability from sideline press box video.

 

[ND Fan Vancouver]

I wouldnt consider myself a film evaluator for all positions but I have watched enough tape from my ol playing days to comment on CB/WR play. Just choose not to do it much because highlight films are highlight films. and true WR play is typically graded from endzone view film. Hard to get true idea of ones route running ability from sideline press box video.

This is VERY true. Young is a prospect who if evaluators watched entire game film on, he'd be a high four star. There's a lot to the position. Blocking ability is so much more important than people think

 

[BobbyMac]

I'd like a list of the IE couch potatoes on here who are certified film evaluators. I think it'd start with Lucci and end with NDcrusader. The rest of us also have eyes and can recognize talent just the same as the next guy. But those two seem to really know what to look for.

Oh this board's in trouble then Koon... Besides a 3 day fling at Miami seeing if I was a poor man's Gonzalez/Gates/Graham, I haven't played football since...

Birth.

I just understand college recruiting and athletes from the other sport.

 

[Booslum31]

I'd like a list of the IE couch potatoes on here who are certified film evaluators. I think it'd start with Lucci and end with NDcrusader. The rest of us also have eyes and can recognize talent just the same as the next guy. But those two seem to really know what to look for.

I can only help out with S play (and a little CB) based on my experience and time in the film room. And BTW...back then it was real "film"

 

[ginman]

To be honest, i am better at evaluating film from youporn.com

 

[dublinirish]

Dwight Freeney and Robert Mathis both say hello.

terrible examples to give. freeney barely bull rushed a snap in his life. Half the time his first move is a spin move and mathis wasn't much different. There's nothing wrong with a guy being 6'2" but if he has no setup move, no counter move and no explosion then he ain't gonna be a true pass rushing threat.

Also Bogs my friend, if Romeo makes the Giants regular season roster then i've got some florida swampland you might be interested in