'16 TN CB Donte Vaughn (Notre Dame Signed NLI)

[Sherm Sticky]

People on this site were saying he should move to safety. I'll take Richard Sherman the second....


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[Sherm Sticky]

Needs to start next week.


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[irishff1014]

Great play on the interception.

 

[Booslum31]

Needs to start next week.


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Agree

 

[ulukinatme]

Yeah, I say let him play. There will be growing pains, but we'll be better off long term and that's what we have to think about now.

 

[Sherm Sticky]

Great play on the interception.

I can't stop thinking about that play. He played that so well. I hope he works out and becomes a big time corner.


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[irishog77]

Yeah, I say let him play. There will be growing pains, but we'll be better off long term and that's what we have to think about now.

I remember when Cole Luke was good his FR, SO, and JR years too though.

 

[Sherm Sticky]

Bump. Text book coverage in the pick. Ran with the WR, turned his head, located the ball and made a play on the ball. He was taught well in high school.


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[Luckylucci]

At one point we took Luke off the field and had Vaughn and Love at CB. I love it. No more entitled BS.

 

[arrowryan]

At one point we took Luke off the field and had Vaughn and Love at CB. I love it. No more entitled BS.

I'm hoping for more of this through out the rest of the season. Keep getting these younger guys some snaps as it will only help both them and the team in the years to come. 2017 is about to have a lot of guys with a lot of meaningful snaps under their belt.

 

[NDdomer2]

Anyone find video of his int? I was at game and it was complete opposite end zone of me. I was only one in my immediate area that knew it was int. But def could barely tell. A broadcast view would be cool to see

 

[military_irish]

I'm hoping for more of this through out the rest of the season. Keep getting these younger guys some snaps as it will only help both them and the team in the years to come. 2017 is about to have a lot of guys with a lot of meaningful snaps under their belt.

Just quickly off the top of my head I believe the only ones leaving after this season is Jarron Jones, Rochelle, Luke, and Sebastian. That's total on the whole team, ones with meaningful snaps.

2017 could be scary good IF they can be coached up to their potential.

 

[JD Irish]

Just quickly off the top of my head I believe the only ones leaving after this season is Jarron Jones, Rochelle, Luke, and Sebastian. That's total on the whole team, ones with meaningful snaps.

2017 could be scary good IF they can be coached up to their potential.

Onwualu, too, who I think has probably been our best player on defense, followed by Rochell.

 

[arrowryan]

Just quickly off the top of my head I believe the only ones leaving after this season is Jarron Jones, Rochelle, Luke, and Sebastian. That's total on the whole team, ones with meaningful snaps.

2017 could be scary good IF they can be coached up to their potential.

Onwualu, too, who I think has probably been our best player on defense, followed by Rochell.

Yes, we will be losing Jones, Rochelle, Luke, Sebastian, and Onwualu. On offense, we will be losing Folston and potentially Big Mike, Nelson, Kizer, and Zaire.

Sticking to just the defensive side of the ball, we will have A LOT of experience in the secondary (Love, Vaughn, Studstill, Tranquill, Elliot, Coleman, White, Crawford) with guys like Pride, Perry, and Morgan also having a year of experience and should be ready to contribute (especially Pride).

Then we have the front 7. I enjoy seeing Daelin Hayes and Julian Okwara getting their feet wet because they will be relied on heavily next season; even Jamir Jones has gotten some playing time this year.

The 2017 d-line should be Hayes-Tillery-Cage-Bonner; the linebackers should be Bilal-Morgan-Coney/Martini; and the secondary should be Crawford-Stdustill-Tranquill-Vaughn. Julian Love will probably be the defensive back that comes in on nickel defense.

 

[IrishLax]

Yes, we will be losing Jones, Rochelle, Luke, Sebastian, and Onwualu. On offense, we will be losing Folston and potentially Big Mike, Nelson, Kizer, and Zaire.

Sticking to just the defensive side of the ball, we will have A LOT of experience in the secondary (Love, Vaughn, Studstill, Tranquill, Elliot, Coleman, White, Crawford) with guys like Pride, Perry, and Morgan also having a year of experience and should be ready to contribute (especially Pride).

Then we have the front 7. I enjoy seeing Daelin Hayes and Julian Okwara getting their feet wet because they will be relied on heavily next season; even Jamir Jones has gotten some playing time this year.

The 2017 d-line should be Hayes-Tillery-Cage-Bonner; the linebackers should be Bilal-Morgan-Coney/Martini; and the secondary should be Crawford-Stdustill-Tranquill-Vaughn. Julian Love will probably be the defensive back that comes in on nickel defense.

I don't think Crawford will be ready to go next year.

I think you'll see us hire a 3-4 DC and play Jay Hayes, Cage, Kareem up front with Hayes, Morgan, Coney, Bilal/Okwara/Trumbetti as the linebackers. Then your secondary will be Love/Vaughn/Watkins with Studstill/Elliot as safeties.

 

[arrowryan]

I don't think Crawford will be ready to go next year.

I think you'll see us hire a 3-4 DC and play Jay Hayes, Cage, Kareem up front with Hayes, Morgan, Coney, Bilal/Okwara/Trumbetti as the linebackers. Then your secondary will be Love/Vaughn/Watkins with Studstill/Elliot as safeties.

If its a 3-4 DC then, yeah, that will change a lot of things. Hayes and Vaughn would be great OLBs if you ask me. I'm not sure if Elliot would fit the SS mold but if he is good in coverage then who gives a shit.

 

[BleedBlueGold]

I don't think Crawford will be ready to go next year.

I think you'll see us hire a 3-4 DC and play Jay Hayes, Cage, Kareem up front with Hayes, Morgan, Coney, Bilal/Okwara/Trumbetti as the linebackers. Then your secondary will be Love/Vaughn/Watkins with Studstill/Elliot as safeties.

Yup. Roster is there to run it.

 

[vuirish]

I don't think Crawford will be ready to go next year.

I think you'll see us hire a 3-4 DC and play Jay Hayes, Cage, Kareem up front with Hayes, Morgan, Coney, Bilal/Okwara/Trumbetti as the linebackers. Then your secondary will be Love/Vaughn/Watkins with Studstill/Elliot as safeties.

Lax, do you think this will help or hurt us with anyone in the '17 class that is either committed or giving ND a look?

 

[gkIrish]

I have not put much thought into the 3-4 but it does make sense from a current roster perspective. I am not a fan of it generally though. I prefer a 4-3.

 

[IrishLion]

Tillery got the goods to play 3-4 DE? If so, I'm down for it.

Kind of leaves a guy like Elijah Taylor out to dry, though. Don't like that so much.

 

[fightingirish26]

I really dislike the 3-4, so hopefully we don't have to go back to that.

 

[BleedBlueGold]

One of ND's all-time best scoring defenses was based out of a 3-4, no? How quickly we forget. That 2012 defense was so damn good.

 

[fightingirish26]

One of ND's all-time best scoring defenses was based out of a 3-4, no? How quickly we forget. That 2012 defense was so damn good.

yeah but it's so difficult to recruit the right kind of players

 

[IrishLax]

I really dislike the 3-4, so hopefully we don't have to go back to that.

Do you dislike Bama's 3-4? What about Aranda's 3-4? What about Derek Mason's 3-4 at Stanford that took a bunch of unathletic 2/3 star white guys and had them playing as the most dominant front 7 in football?

What about a hybrid 4-3 defense that uses 3-4 concepts to become a "5-2" like Venables?

I don't care what we run as long as it fits personnel, is coachable, and is productive. A lot of teams run a 3-4 specifically because there are so many teams running a 4-3 that it makes their recruiting MUCH easier. The hardest part is finding a nose guard that works.

 

[gkIrish]

Do you dislike Bama's 3-4? What about Aranda's 3-4? What about Derek Mason's 3-4 at Stanford that took a bunch of unathletic 2/3 star white guys and had them playing as the most dominant front 7 in football?

What about a hybrid 4-3 defense that uses 3-4 concepts to become a "5-2" like Venables?
I don't care what we run as long as it fits personnel, is coachable, and is productive. A lot of teams run a 3-4 specifically because there are so many teams running a 4-3 that it makes their recruiting MUCH easier. The hardest part is finding a nose guard that works.

I can get down with this. But we are going to need a lot more Daelin Hayes type players to make it work.

 

[dad4aa]

Do you dislike Bama's 3-4? What about Aranda's 3-4? What about Derek Mason's 3-4 at Stanford that took a bunch of unathletic 2/3 star white guys and had them playing as the most dominant front 7 in football?

What about a hybrid 4-3 defense that uses 3-4 concepts to become a "5-2" like Venables?

I don't care what we run as long as it fits personnel, is coachable, and is productive. A lot of teams run a 3-4 specifically because there are so many teams running a 4-3 that it makes their recruiting MUCH easier. The hardest part is finding a nose guard that works.

After what we have seen under BVG, this gets me excited!

 

[ScooterIrish]

May be a little early to talk 4-3 vs. 3-4 as we aren't sure who our HC will be next year....

 

[Rack Em]

Tillery got the goods to play 3-4 DE? If so, I'm down for it.

Kind of leaves a guy like Elijah Taylor out to dry, though. Don't like that so much.

I saw Taylor play against St. Ed's 2 years ago. I think he'd make a solid 3T in a 3-4. Obviously his gap assignments would be different from a 4-3, but if he plays well as a 3T, there's no reason he couldn't transition into a DT in a 4-3.

 

[IrishFanJMercy]

I mentioned this in another thread. Look at the top 30 guys in the nation leading in sacks, the majority of them are all under 260 pounds most of them sit around 240. Look at our DL 3 of the starters are 290 pounds or heavier, does anyone think we lack the quickness on the edge and maybe should start recruiting lighter DE's?

 

[Wingman Ray]

One of ND's all-time best scoring defenses was based out of a 3-4, no? How quickly we forget. That 2012 defense was so damn good.

3-4 requires a stud at NT. We havent had one of those since Nix