'16 CA WR Javon McKinley (Notre Dame Signed NLI)

[stlnd01]

Am I forgetting somebody Kelly hasn't suspended after being arrested?

It's February. What's he going to be suspended from? Winter workouts?

 

[BabyIrish]

Am I forgetting somebody Kelly hasn't suspended after being arrested?

The only time I can remember Kelly announcing suspensions was the whole frozen five situation. Other than that, I can't remember him getting up in front of a microphone and announcing a suspension.

 

[howell66]

I didn't mean for him to have a press conference over it, usually it comes in a statement, if it's in the off season. Rees, Calabrese, Redfield, Dexter, White, Coney, & Floyd, were all suspended after being arrested.

 

[Irish#1]

Before BK does anything, he'll do his due diligence.

 

[howell66]

Understandable. I wasn't calling for his suspension. I was just surprised it hadn't happened, but all situations have different circumstances.

 

[AllGoldEverything]

I feel really bad for him. Sounds like a kid that was out having a good time, drank a little too much, still took an uber, but had some bad luck. I know I have been in his situation waaayyyyy too many times but never had a run in with the police.

I hope he gets out of this and makes an impact on the team next fall.

 

[pumpdog20]

From the facts that are known to the public, this sounds like an extra sprint or two thing max. Some of you are making it sound like he went around kicking puppies.

Again, the only reason this is a big deal is because he has been rumored to be transferring (or at least seemed like a potential candidate), and we are over scholarships.

 

[Irish YJ]

From the facts that are known to the public, this sounds like an extra sprint or two thing max. Some of you are making it sound like he went around kicking puppies.

Again, the only reason this is a big deal is because he has been rumored to be transferring (or at least seemed like a potential candidate), and we are over scholarships.

I don't want him gone.
That said, if he actually punched, or tried to punch some cops, that's a pretty big deal. It's not a couple sprints regardless of how much of a break they might cut him for being out of his mind drunk.

 

[koonja]

Strong family, big time high school competition, highly productive in HS, highly rated, big body, all the offers.

This was as "can't miss" of a prospect as I can remember. And he'll move on without ever having done anything on the football field at ND whether he's gone now or not.

Just strange and unfortunate.

 

[EvilleIrish]

What happened here? Never recovered from the broken leg?

 

[Some Irish Bloke]

What happened here? Never recovered from the broken leg?

Well that set him back, yes, coupled with the emergence of Boykin and Claypool and Stepherson really panning out from the 2015 class kind of buried him a little bit as well.

 

[NDMIA]

II new podcast thinks he gets dismissed. ND needs spots and he hasn’t performed. Sounds unfair but when you don’t produce, you are on a tighter leash. That’s just the way it goes sometimes. I’d love to see him finish out next season and then grad transfer but I don’t think he’ll be on scholarship for the fall semester. He’s finishing up his 6th semester so if he’s dismissed he’ll probably have to pay his own way for 1-2 semesters until he finishes up. Hope he lands on his feet somewhere.

 

[BobbyMac]

II new podcast thinks he gets dismissed. ND needs spots and he hasn’t performed. Sounds unfair but when you don’t produce, you are on a tighter leash. That’s just the way it goes sometimes. I’d love to see him finish out next season and then grad transfer but I don’t think he’ll be on scholarship for the fall semester. He’s finishing up his 6th semester so if he’s dismissed he’ll probably have to pay his own way for 1-2 semesters until he finishes up. Hope he lands on his feet somewhere.

DJ Morgan is graduating at the end of summer session. Von and DJ got to campus at the same time. Hopefully he can do the same and GT. He'd have 2 years to play just like DJ.

 

[stlnd01]

II new podcast thinks he gets dismissed. ND needs spots and he hasn’t performed. Sounds unfair but when you don’t produce, you are on a tighter leash. That’s just the way it goes sometimes. I’d love to see him finish out next season and then grad transfer but I don’t think he’ll be on scholarship for the fall semester. He’s finishing up his 6th semester so if he’s dismissed he’ll probably have to pay his own way for 1-2 semesters until he finishes up. Hope he lands on his feet somewhere.

I'm sorry, but that's baloney.

If we offer a four-year scholarship, as we do, we shouldn't use a relatively minor disciplinary matter as an excuse to push a kid out because we're over 85 scholarships at the moment - in February - and he "doesn't produce."

Maybe there are details we don't know. Or he's had trouble before. But if this is it, and McKinley was a starter, it would be probation and internal/university discipline - a one-game suspension seems about right - and everyone moves on. That's how they should handle this, not "Sorry you screwed up once guy, hope you land on your feet."

 

[T-Boone]

Maybe he should put his hand up for a switch to running back.

 

[phork]

I'm sorry, but that's baloney.

If we offer a four-year scholarship, as we do, we shouldn't use a relatively minor disciplinary matter as an excuse to push a kid out because we're over 85 scholarships at the moment - in February - and he "doesn't produce."

Maybe there are details we don't know. Or he's had trouble before. But if this is it, and McKinley was a starter, it would be probation and internal/university discipline - a one-game suspension seems about right - and everyone moves on. That's how they should handle this, not "Sorry you screwed up once guy, hope you land on your feet."

Yes we should. You want to win? You lose the dead weight. A police issue just gives you the license to do so freely.

 

[stlnd01]

Yes we should. You want to win? You lose the dead weight. A police issue just gives you the license to do so freely.

Even if that’s how you want to play it, how does cutting loose Javon McKinley help us win games in 2019?
I’d be shocked if we’re not below 85 from natural causes come Labor Day weekend.

 

[Sherm Sticky]

DJ Morgan is graduating at the end of summer session. Von and DJ got to campus at the same time. Hopefully he can do the same and GT. He'd have 2 years to play just like DJ.

I thought DJ only has one year remaining. I didn’t think he redshirted.


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[T-Boone]

Well that set him back, yes, coupled with the emergence of Boykin and Claypool and Stepherson really panning out from the 2015 class kind of buried him a little bit as well.

What about Finke? Everyone always forgets Finke.

 

[BGIF]

I thought DJ only has one year remaining. I didn’t think he redshirted.


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D.J.'s thank you/goodbye announcement note in January mentioned he had 2 years of eligibility left after transferring from ND.

 

[NDMIA]

I'm sorry, but that's baloney.

If we offer a four-year scholarship, as we do, we shouldn't use a relatively minor disciplinary matter as an excuse to push a kid out because we're over 85 scholarships at the moment - in February - and he "doesn't produce."

Maybe there are details we don't know. Or he's had trouble before. But if this is it, and McKinley was a starter, it would be probation and internal/university discipline - a one-game suspension seems about right - and everyone moves on. That's how they should handle this, not "Sorry you screwed up once guy, hope you land on your feet."

it’s not baloney. Brandon Tiassum is a case of that. He was sitting on the grounds keeping tarps as far away from the field as possible in his last game at ND apparently and that irked the coaches big time according to the II podcast and Tim O’Malley. Did that cause him to be dismissed, probably not, but he wasn’t arrested, and didn’t seem to be getting in trouble all of the time, but I think they used the small things to make space on the roster. Tom Rees kicked an officer, got a one game suspension and now is the QB coach for ND. You think CJ Holmes was treated the same as Michael Floyd? Everett Golson, Kevin Stepherson, Max Redfield, and others were all treated differently based on circumstances, the crime committed, and definitely their value to the team. Don’t give me this naive crap about everybody getting 4 year scholarships and the coaches would never force them out. That’s ignorant. If you show up to workouts on time, go to class, and don’t get in trouble, then you’ll definitely be on the team for four guaranteed years. II mentioned Darnell Ewell as one of those guys who the coaching staff is still working on and working with because he’s showing up to class and giving max effort in practice and in the weight room.

 

[stlnd01]

it’s not baloney. Brandon Tiassum is a case of that. He was sitting on the grounds keeping tarps as far away from the field as possible in his last game at ND apparently and that irked the coaches big time according to the II podcast and Tim O’Malley. Did that cause him to be dismissed, probably not, but he wasn’t arrested, and didn’t seem to be getting in trouble all of the time, but I think they used the small things to make space on the roster. Tom Rees kicked an officer, got a one game suspension and now is the QB coach for ND. You think CJ Holmes was treated the same as Michael Floyd? Everett Golson, Kevin Stepherson, Max Redfield, and others were all treated differently based on circumstances, the crime committed, and definitely their value to the team. Don’t give me this naive crap about everybody getting 4 year scholarships and the coaches would never force them out. That’s ignorant. If you show up to workouts on time, go to class, and don’t get in trouble, then you’ll definitely be on the team for four guaranteed years. II mentioned Darnell Ewell as one of those guys who the coaching staff is still working on and working with because he’s showing up to class and giving max effort in practice and in the weight room.

And, in this case, that's what we don't know.
By most accounts McKinley is a fine young man from a good family. He's had no (public) trouble before. We don't really have any idea what kind of effort he's giving in practice or what he's like in the locker room, or in the classroom, but if he's holding up his end of the bargain there (unlike, apparently, Tiassum), tossing him for one relatively minor incident because we're tight on scholarships seems pretty shitty. Especially when history would suggest we'll be lucky to have 80 guys on the roster come Opening Day.

Also, you mention CJ Holmes. They sure threw the book at him. But - again, unless there's other stuff we don't know - I think a lot of people would rather have Holmes in our RB stable next year than playing for Penn State. Same could certainly prove true with McKinley if, say, Austin gets hurt (or gets in more trouble).

 

[Irish#1]

II new podcast thinks he gets dismissed. ND needs spots and he hasn’t performed. Sounds unfair but when you don’t produce, you are on a tighter leash. That’s just the way it goes sometimes. I’d love to see him finish out next season and then grad transfer but I don’t think he’ll be on scholarship for the fall semester. He’s finishing up his 6th semester so if he’s dismissed he’ll probably have to pay his own way for 1-2 semesters until he finishes up. Hope he lands on his feet somewhere.

No

 

[IrishLax]

For those contrasting to Tommy Rees... he was guilty of running from the cops. The "lifting a knee" into the police officer thing was BS and was dropped. Running from the cops at a house party is very different than getting blackout drunk and then throwing punches.

The better comp is Devin Butler, who was dismissed from the team but allowed to stay in school.

 

[Some Irish Bloke]

What about Finke? Everyone always forgets Finke.

Finke plays in the slot, I was mostly referring to our boundary receivers when I was naming those guys.

I'm a big fan of the slippery fox, he's never forgotten!

 

[dad4aa]

For those contrasting to Tommy Rees... he was guilty of running from the cops. The "lifting a knee" into the police officer thing was BS and was dropped. Running from the cops at a house party is very different than getting blackout drunk and then throwing punches.

The better comp is Devin Butler, who was dismissed from the team but allowed to stay in school.

Maybe I am misunderstanding the situation but I thought it was more like Tommy. From what I understand, he did the right thing and did not drive but took an Uber and passed out. The ND cops were called and were walking him from the Uber to his room. Totally drunk he may have thought he was being arrested and tried to run away and when trying to get away from the cops he inadvertently elbowed one of them. I never read where he was throwing punches.

If he threw a punch then I agree it is like Devin and he will be dismissed. If it was inadvertent then I would consider it more like Tommy which may be why the charges were reduced to a misdemeanor.

Tyler James tweet said he punched them but the articles have not stated any punching that I have seen.

 

[arrowryan]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Brian Kelly on Javon McKinley.<br><br>“He’s still on the suspended list and will continue to be until we clear up all matters."</p>— Pete Sampson (@PeteSampson_) <a href="https://twitter.com/PeteSampson_/status/1101532856277454848?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 1, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[Huntr]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/NotreDame?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#NotreDame</a> WR Javon McKinley has been reinstated from his suspension related to an earlier arrest. Will be re-evaluated at the end of spring ball and according to a source he is in good standing with the university.</p>— BlueandGold.com (@BGInews) <a href="https://twitter.com/BGInews/status/1108731554166202368?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 21, 2019</a>

 

[Sherm Sticky]

Good news!

 

[BobbyMac]

I'll bet it all he's in good enough standing to finish his degree at the same time as DJ Morgan and that's where the good standing ends.

Wish nothing but the best for him although he single handedly stopped me from taking over Mel's ESPN gig when he retires.