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I rather have Brandon go to Russia to refresh and get his mind of things than have a Mailbu Ken beach party with Jimmy boy.
'15 NJ QB Brandon Wimbush (Notre Dame Signed NLI)
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I rather have Brandon go to Russia to refresh and get his mind of things than have a Mailbu Ken beach party with Jimmy boy.
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Wimbush is going to Russia to reset.
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What kind of a monster uses that font
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">From <a href="https://twitter.com/ESPNRittenberg?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@ESPNRittenberg</a>, <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/NotreDame?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#NotreDame</a> offensive coordinator Chip Long on QB Brandon Wimbush -- <a href="https://t.co/GVx0tHGtgL">https://t.co/GVx0tHGtgL</a> <a href="https://t.co/2sre6CzdoP">pic.twitter.com/2sre6CzdoP</a></p>— Douglas Farmer (@D_Farmer) <a href="https://twitter.com/D_Farmer/status/1000036266459611137?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 25, 2018</a></blockquote>
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When Brandon is playing confidently and competently, he is one of the most exciting quarterbacks I have ever seen at Notre Dame. (I’ve been watching since Rice.) He really put his body on the line this past season. He didn’t always play smart, but I saw tremendous heart and will out there. Watch the end of the first half versus Wake again (which is also ironically the game that shifted his season momentum for worse). I still have faith that Brandon can pull it together. This is his year to do it big. And if it doesn’t work out for him the way many of us hope it will, it won’t be for a lack of effort. Much respect to Ian as well. He is going to be an important contributor, one way or another.
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Jackson was a warrior. Might have been the toughest SOB at Qb for Notre Dame I have seen.
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Did he just start the game and I missed it? Also, weren't there some disclaimers? Like he needed to play more than 50% of the game? or end the game as the starter?
Maybe not, maybe I'm remembering a different wager?
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I don't remember any wager, that's why I'm bringing it all back up...
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Decent article in the Indy Star on BW's progress.
https://www.indystar.com/story/spor...g-overtime-consistency-brian-kelly/698777002/
SOUTH BEND – One month after Brandon Wimbush was benched in Notre Dame’s bowl game, he met the guy who could help him land and keep the starting job next season.
There was no sign Wimbush wouldn’t play all four quarters against LSU on New Year’s Day, despite coach Brian Kelly saying afterward that both quarterbacks knew they were going to get time in that game. Wimbush started all but one game his rookie season, sitting out versus North Carolina with a minor injury. But after the first series in the second quarter against the Tigers, Wimbush was subbed out for backup Ian Book and didn’t return. Book led the Irish to a thrilling 21-17 win, which included a late 55-yard touchdown pass to Miles Boykin to clinch a 10-win season. The two have been in a quarterback competition since.
Wimbush suffered from mechanical and confidence issues throughout the year. He showed glimpses of what he could be — throwing for a season-high 280 yards against Wake Forest and completing 70 percent of his passes in a road win against Michigan State. Those performances were infrequent, however. He threw for more than 200 yards in just three of 11 games, completed 49.5 percent of his passes, and earned a 121.4 passer rating, ranking him 87th among quarterbacks nationally.
Wimbush’s inconsistencies weren’t for a lack of trying. He diligently worked to make improvements, but didn’t understand why he couldn’t throw 10 perfect passes in a row, for example.
That’s when he started working with Taylor Kelly. The former Arizona State starting quarterback is now an instructor with 3DQB, a biomechanics and performance company run by former pitching coach turned quarterback guru Tom House. The company’s client base includes Tom Brady, Drew Brees and Andrew Luck.
“Brandon’s whole thing was he knows he’s good, he just didn’t know how to make his throws repeatable every single time,” Taylor Kelly told IndyStar. “He could spin the football, he has great arm strength, but there would be times in different positions of, ‘Why can’t I do this 10 of 10 instead of maybe six of 10 or five of 10?’
“So that’s where we come in.”
3DQB’s mission is to maximize quarterbacks' physical and mental potential for competition by working on functional strength and conditioning, mechanics and motion analysis, mental and emotional management, and nutrition.
Wimbush and Taylor Kelly essentially synced up through Notre Dame. Kelly knows offensive coordinator Chip Long and wide receivers coach Del Alexander because they coached at ASU while he played there from 2012-14.
Wimbush and Kelly had four sessions together in South Bend in February, a few more in Orange County during Notre Dame's spring break in March, and might meet up this summer before the team reconvenes for camp in August. They keep in regular contact and Wimbush occasionally sends videos for feedback. Wimbush, not Notre Dame, pays for these extra skill sessions.
“I know Tom House and what he does and Taylor works for Tom so I felt like if we were going to do something outside the network, I would prefer it to be with that group,” Brian Kelly said. “(Brandon) agreed and I think benefited greatly from their work with them.”
Taylor Kelly prepared for the first practice with Wimbush by watching film. Then he observed Wimbush throwing in their first session.
Throughout the season and into spring, Brian Kelly had said Wimbush needed to sharpen his footwork and delivery. Upon observation, Taylor Kelly agreed.
“He has a natural delivery, so it was more of just getting that consistent lower body to time it up with his upper body to get the most velocity from his ground force and torque into the football,” Kelly said.
“We did a lot of stuff with his drops. There would be times when he’d hitch up to the receivers or he would tempo his drop and then be really slow out of the hitch.”
Kelly noticed that most of his work was about instilling confidence. He had to make Wimbush understand that he could trust receivers were going to be in a spot if he threw the ball there.
“I think that threw off why he would be late and his feet would be a little bit messed up,” Kelly said. “He fully wouldn’t trust his ability with his drops, his feet, his arm, with the receivers he was throwing to. Whether it was the third-string guy or the first-string guy. He had to get over that hump mentally."
Brian Kelly said he’s already seen improvement.
“I’d say his drop is consistent, which allows him to get the ball out timely,” the Irish coach said. “He was late on a lot of throws last year and consequently put himself in bad positions. His accuracy is better, especially on some of the shorter throws. But I think if I would highlight one thing, he’s cleaned up his footwork, which has given him a lot more confidence in getting the ball out on time.”
Wimbush has noticed, too.
“(Accuracy) is definitely been better than it has been,” Wimbush said. “My shorter throws, that was where I needed to improve the most, and I think improving my footwork allows me to do that.”
Taylor Kelly said the inconsistencies with Wimbush’s delivery had to do with body position. Something as simple as whether his hips were open, if his upper body was relaxed, or if his weight was too far forward into his foot strike.
“There were times where he would move and slide to the left, his body wasn’t in the right position to make an efficient throw and he would have to compensate for his athleticism and just get away with his arm,” Kelly said. “Sometimes the ball would look sweet and the next time it would be in the dirt at the guy’s feet. Those inconsistencies are huge and he just didn’t know how to find that position. .
“It was our job to kind of make that happen and make him aware of, this is what was going on and why this one felt really sweet and then you did the same thing but it felt crappy. We gave him that toolbox of why and how to fix it.”
Kelly also changed up Wimbush’s daily pre- and post-practice routines. They now include biometric exercises and mechanical drills that get him warmed up more quickly, and Wimbush said he thinks they’re helping already.
“I’m taking my daily routine seriously,” Wimbush said. “Not that I didn’t last year, but I think it’s been more effective for me as I’ve implemented some new intricacies.”
Wimbush’s assignment this summer leading up to fall camp is to keep up with the routine Kelly created during their first meeting.
“Don’t overthink things and keep it simple,” Kelly said. “Trust what his coaches have instilled in him and the process he created, and if he masters that this summer, he will have a tremendous year and achieve the goals he wants to achieve.”
Brian Kelly has made it clear all spring that consistency is the No. 1 priority for a quarterback to lock down the starting job for the fall.
Wimbush looked the part during Notre Dame’s spring game in April. Will his extra work pay off next season?
Taylor Kelly predicts it will.
“I think the biggest difference in his game will be his ability to be repeatable and throw with conviction,” he said. “Just be decisive in his reads and decisions, and do it 100 miles per hour as opposed to 80 with uncertainty."
https://www.indystar.com/story/spor...g-overtime-consistency-brian-kelly/698777002/
SOUTH BEND – One month after Brandon Wimbush was benched in Notre Dame’s bowl game, he met the guy who could help him land and keep the starting job next season.
There was no sign Wimbush wouldn’t play all four quarters against LSU on New Year’s Day, despite coach Brian Kelly saying afterward that both quarterbacks knew they were going to get time in that game. Wimbush started all but one game his rookie season, sitting out versus North Carolina with a minor injury. But after the first series in the second quarter against the Tigers, Wimbush was subbed out for backup Ian Book and didn’t return. Book led the Irish to a thrilling 21-17 win, which included a late 55-yard touchdown pass to Miles Boykin to clinch a 10-win season. The two have been in a quarterback competition since.
Wimbush suffered from mechanical and confidence issues throughout the year. He showed glimpses of what he could be — throwing for a season-high 280 yards against Wake Forest and completing 70 percent of his passes in a road win against Michigan State. Those performances were infrequent, however. He threw for more than 200 yards in just three of 11 games, completed 49.5 percent of his passes, and earned a 121.4 passer rating, ranking him 87th among quarterbacks nationally.
Wimbush’s inconsistencies weren’t for a lack of trying. He diligently worked to make improvements, but didn’t understand why he couldn’t throw 10 perfect passes in a row, for example.
That’s when he started working with Taylor Kelly. The former Arizona State starting quarterback is now an instructor with 3DQB, a biomechanics and performance company run by former pitching coach turned quarterback guru Tom House. The company’s client base includes Tom Brady, Drew Brees and Andrew Luck.
“Brandon’s whole thing was he knows he’s good, he just didn’t know how to make his throws repeatable every single time,” Taylor Kelly told IndyStar. “He could spin the football, he has great arm strength, but there would be times in different positions of, ‘Why can’t I do this 10 of 10 instead of maybe six of 10 or five of 10?’
“So that’s where we come in.”
3DQB’s mission is to maximize quarterbacks' physical and mental potential for competition by working on functional strength and conditioning, mechanics and motion analysis, mental and emotional management, and nutrition.
Wimbush and Taylor Kelly essentially synced up through Notre Dame. Kelly knows offensive coordinator Chip Long and wide receivers coach Del Alexander because they coached at ASU while he played there from 2012-14.
Wimbush and Kelly had four sessions together in South Bend in February, a few more in Orange County during Notre Dame's spring break in March, and might meet up this summer before the team reconvenes for camp in August. They keep in regular contact and Wimbush occasionally sends videos for feedback. Wimbush, not Notre Dame, pays for these extra skill sessions.
“I know Tom House and what he does and Taylor works for Tom so I felt like if we were going to do something outside the network, I would prefer it to be with that group,” Brian Kelly said. “(Brandon) agreed and I think benefited greatly from their work with them.”
Taylor Kelly prepared for the first practice with Wimbush by watching film. Then he observed Wimbush throwing in their first session.
Throughout the season and into spring, Brian Kelly had said Wimbush needed to sharpen his footwork and delivery. Upon observation, Taylor Kelly agreed.
“He has a natural delivery, so it was more of just getting that consistent lower body to time it up with his upper body to get the most velocity from his ground force and torque into the football,” Kelly said.
“We did a lot of stuff with his drops. There would be times when he’d hitch up to the receivers or he would tempo his drop and then be really slow out of the hitch.”
Kelly noticed that most of his work was about instilling confidence. He had to make Wimbush understand that he could trust receivers were going to be in a spot if he threw the ball there.
“I think that threw off why he would be late and his feet would be a little bit messed up,” Kelly said. “He fully wouldn’t trust his ability with his drops, his feet, his arm, with the receivers he was throwing to. Whether it was the third-string guy or the first-string guy. He had to get over that hump mentally."
Brian Kelly said he’s already seen improvement.
“I’d say his drop is consistent, which allows him to get the ball out timely,” the Irish coach said. “He was late on a lot of throws last year and consequently put himself in bad positions. His accuracy is better, especially on some of the shorter throws. But I think if I would highlight one thing, he’s cleaned up his footwork, which has given him a lot more confidence in getting the ball out on time.”
Wimbush has noticed, too.
“(Accuracy) is definitely been better than it has been,” Wimbush said. “My shorter throws, that was where I needed to improve the most, and I think improving my footwork allows me to do that.”
Taylor Kelly said the inconsistencies with Wimbush’s delivery had to do with body position. Something as simple as whether his hips were open, if his upper body was relaxed, or if his weight was too far forward into his foot strike.
“There were times where he would move and slide to the left, his body wasn’t in the right position to make an efficient throw and he would have to compensate for his athleticism and just get away with his arm,” Kelly said. “Sometimes the ball would look sweet and the next time it would be in the dirt at the guy’s feet. Those inconsistencies are huge and he just didn’t know how to find that position. .
“It was our job to kind of make that happen and make him aware of, this is what was going on and why this one felt really sweet and then you did the same thing but it felt crappy. We gave him that toolbox of why and how to fix it.”
Kelly also changed up Wimbush’s daily pre- and post-practice routines. They now include biometric exercises and mechanical drills that get him warmed up more quickly, and Wimbush said he thinks they’re helping already.
“I’m taking my daily routine seriously,” Wimbush said. “Not that I didn’t last year, but I think it’s been more effective for me as I’ve implemented some new intricacies.”
Wimbush’s assignment this summer leading up to fall camp is to keep up with the routine Kelly created during their first meeting.
“Don’t overthink things and keep it simple,” Kelly said. “Trust what his coaches have instilled in him and the process he created, and if he masters that this summer, he will have a tremendous year and achieve the goals he wants to achieve.”
Brian Kelly has made it clear all spring that consistency is the No. 1 priority for a quarterback to lock down the starting job for the fall.
Wimbush looked the part during Notre Dame’s spring game in April. Will his extra work pay off next season?
Taylor Kelly predicts it will.
“I think the biggest difference in his game will be his ability to be repeatable and throw with conviction,” he said. “Just be decisive in his reads and decisions, and do it 100 miles per hour as opposed to 80 with uncertainty."
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Taylor Kelly >George Whitfield
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... hopefully
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Of course I like everything that the article says about his improved footwork and body position etc., but my biggest concern is it repeatable in game situations or will he revert to old habits in more pressure packed moments.
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honest question......where is Tommy in this? I mean, isn't this a significant part of his job? What at about BK too? Why did they have to pawn off this work to Taylor Kelly?
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I hope this doesn't come off as a scoff at the you Irish #1 for posting it, but I don't even care to read it. Every QB that struggled has articles out to give hope to the fans that they're actually fixing it.
I'm so over the hope and into the "shut up and show it" phase of my fanhood of ND.
I'm so over the hope and into the "shut up and show it" phase of my fanhood of ND.
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I would have to go searching, but some time back I read an article about how Tommy and Taylor Kelly had a lot of discussions about BW and they were all on the same page with what his issues are and how to fix. Taylor Kelly is reinforcing what Rees is coaching him during times that Ress isn't allowed to be hands on with him.
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because this is during time when the coaches cant be w/ players so because long has a previous relationship along w/ del, info can be shared
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Mechanics, if I recall, were never exactly Tommy’s forte as a QB. Also there may be NCAA limits on how much they can do with Wimbush in the offseason? Either way it’s hardly unusual for a QB to go to an outside coach for work on this stuff.
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I wouldn't say it's a knock on Tommy. What QB under Kelly doesn't get confidence issues and ends up mentally unstable (game wise)? It's kind of a reoccurring theme. Things are usually fine when the offense is dumbed down and simple, but when BK opens up the playbook and puts more of the offense on the QBs shoulders, most of them crack under the pressure. Kizer, Golson, Zaire, and even Tommy all played pretty well early on when BK ran the simplified offense for them, but they all experienced a "Sophomore slump" the next year when BK gave them more reigns. Some of those QBs took a nasty turn, like Golson...basically went from a 12 win season and Heisman hopeful to benched. What have each of those QBs done at some point during the offseason? Regardless of the QB coach, they've gone outside the university for training to help correct mechanics or install confidence.
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Mechanics were never really an issue. Lack of athleticism was the bigger issue. I agree though, pretty much every one of our QBs going back to at least Golson have gone outside the ND network for QB coaching during the off season.
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I liked some of that article and not other parts. All the stuff about mechanics and consistency is fine, and will give false impressions of great leaps forward in practice. The Dark Shadow in the writeup are the mentions of "not trusting his receivers." That's a BIG head problem. And that won't "fix" due to mechanics, nor show up in practice sessions. That allusion speaks to a general unsettledness of mentality once the heat is on.
People keep downgrading Book vs Wimbush, but Book obviously trusts his receivers and is habitually decisive about making the play happen as designed (especially timing wise.) I really need to see Wimbush do this, and do it when a real opponent is on the field trying not to cooperate with his thinking processes.
People keep downgrading Book vs Wimbush, but Book obviously trusts his receivers and is habitually decisive about making the play happen as designed (especially timing wise.) I really need to see Wimbush do this, and do it when a real opponent is on the field trying not to cooperate with his thinking processes.
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i very much doubt a QB coach could fix a kid's mechanical issues in one summer
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Wimbush needs to be throwing to the receivers a lot outside of practice. You're right that the bigger issue is trusting where his receivers will be. And that is only fixed with practice.
This.
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You'd be surprised how much better mechanics can look within one offseason. This is especially true with someone like Wimbush when they need to, as mentioned in the article, time their lower body better. He never had bad throwing mechanics, ie the upper body. It was more about how he could never get his feet synched with the rest of his body. He gets that, there should be improvement.
Now, the question is, will that hold up against pressure, AND will it hold up throughout a season.
Now, the question is, will that hold up against pressure, AND will it hold up throughout a season.
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Ehhhh whatever, I'm just glad it wasn't Whitfield.
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Doesn't anyone find that article ironic.
Last year the message boards fight was whether it was BW or play calling that was the issue and now it was a given it was mostly all BW.....and now that he sought out a group to work with him a dozen or so times it is all fixed.
Ummm I hope Book gets a lot of time in training camp with the first group as well.
Last year the message boards fight was whether it was BW or play calling that was the issue and now it was a given it was mostly all BW.....and now that he sought out a group to work with him a dozen or so times it is all fixed.
Ummm I hope Book gets a lot of time in training camp with the first group as well.