'15 NJ QB Brandon Wimbush (Notre Dame Signed NLI)

[ACamp1900]

3) Strength of Schedule....next year will be a beast... pity the fool who has to try and perform game after game next year. First game....say hello to Rashan Gary

It cracks me up that the board is suddenly on this train together. Before Miami it seemed everyone was laughing at next year's schedule like it was cake and I was sitting here reading posts constantly like, "You can't be freakin serious..."

Now it seems everyone sees what I saw and the tone has completely flipped and I'm still here like:

 

[zelezo vlk]

It cracks me up that the board is suddenly on this train together. Before Miami it seemed everyone was laughing at next year's schedule like it was cake and I was sitting here reading posts constantly like, "You can't be freakin serious..."

Now it seems everyone sees what I saw and the tone has completely flipped and I'm still here like:

I've always been on that train with you. Rashan Gary and Harbaugh week 1 after losing the two best O linemen? That's nightmare level sh*t

 

[RDU Irish]

QBR by game posted by Lax in the "Completely different team" thread:

"1. Wimbush = 83.7 // Temple = 29.9
2. Wimbush = 19.3 // Georgia = 13.2
3. Wimbush = 65.5 // BC = 36.1
4. Wimbush = 89.7 // MSU = 61.7
5. Wimbush = 61.5 // Miami 30.8
6. Wimbush = 79.4 // USC = 50.3
7. Wimbush = 82.5 // NC State = 26.1
8. Wimbush = 91.5 // Wake = 44.2
9. Wimbush = 5.2 // Miami = 81.0
10. Wimbush = 93.1 // Navy = 37.5
11. Wimbush = 47.1 // Costello = 87.3"

Pretty awful in our losses. Rushing stats by game:
1.Temple - QBR 83.7 // 17-30-184 passing, 12-106 rushing
2. Georgia QBR 19.3 // 20-40-210 passing, 16-1 rushing (1 yard rushing in 16 attempts!)
3. BC QBR 65.5 // 11-24-96 passing, 21-207 rushing
4. MSU QBR 89.7 // 14-20-173 passing, 8-52 rushing
5. Miami(OH) QBR 61.5 // 7-18-119 passing, 11-36 rushing (3TDs passing + 1 rushing must have padded this score)
6. USC QBR 79.4 // 9-19 120 passing, 14-106 rushing
7. NCST QBR 82.5 // 10-19-104 passing, 7-21 rushing
8. Wake Forest QBR 91.5 // 15-30-280 passing, 12-110 rushing
9. Miami QBR 5.2 // 10-21-119 passing, 11-24 rushing
10. Navy QBR 93.1 // 9-18-164 passing, 8-41 rushing
11. Stanford QBR 47.1 // 11-28-249 passing, 16-62 rushing

My take away? His QBR is totally run dependent. Make him beat you through the air and he can't do it. Granted it takes a talented team to take that away - but when they do it spells (potentially total) disaster for us. Absolutely lethal for a back-up or change of pace QB to run at people but as a feature QB it is way to easy to scheme against.

Put him in at RB and wildcat half a dozen plays a game with one or two passes. Redzone, short yardage stuff - tons of potential that doesn't need to be all or nothing.

 

[RDU Irish]

One foot down said Wimbush trajectory should be compared to Lamar Jackson's whereby Jackson struggled as a First year starter and then won a Heisman as a second year starter.

1) Couple of points the article failed to mention was, Jackson and Wimbush are the same age. They came into college in 2015 and both are in their 3rd year. Athletically I would say they were similar, but Jackson is just more productive.

2) Wimbush next season will be challenged even more with the loss of McG and Nelson. I can't believe how much this gets ignored. Losing two first round O-line in the same year is crushing. Phil will get take advantage of Eichenberg, Kraemer, Hainsay, Banks and Lugg in two years....but next year will be a struggle.

3) Strength of Schedule....next year will be a beast... pity the fool who has to try and perform game after game next year. First game....say hello to Rashan Gary

Challenged? Our O-Line will still be a top 25 unit and we call that "challenging" to the QB? Spoiled by two elite players is more like it. 99% of CFB manages to get by without two first round draft picks anchoring their line - easy there chicken little.

 

[snoopdog]

Challenged? Our O-Line will still be a top 25 unit and we call that "challenging" to the QB? Spoiled by two elite players is more like it. 99% of CFB manages to get by without two first round draft picks anchoring their line - easy there chicken little.

Not sure if serious??

Of course 99% of CFB teams get by without 2 first round picks from the oline. In the history of the NFL draft, how many times were two O-linemen taken in the first round from the same team?

If you aren't being sarcastic....the point was....if BW can't run an offense when he was forced to throw the ball (last three games) with the oline he had this season.......how well do you think this team will do when Michigan lines up 8 in the BOX lead by Rashan Gary in the opener in 2018????

 

[RDU Irish]

I think we are making the same point - BW's job was made easier by an elite OL that will not be as good next year. It is reasonable to expect the OL enhanced BW's production this year relative to what 99% of CFB QBs had to work with. As such, his passing numbers are even worse.

 

[ab2cmiller]

I was rewatching a couple of ND games and seeing Wimbush miss all these easy short throws. It made me realize, that Brandon needs to start throwing darts with Tony Rice.

 

[Irishize]

I was rewatching a couple of ND games and seeing Wimbush miss all these easy short throws. It made me realize, that Brandon needs to start throwing darts with Tony Rice.

I don’t think it’s his delivery that’s all wrong. When he has time to process, you can practically see the tale running in his head. Next thing you know, he forgets to set his feet, rushes a throw b/c he realized he waited too long & either airmails it or throws it at the feet of the receiver. He has the mechanics....he just loses them under pressure.

 

[GowerND11]

I don’t think it’s his delivery that’s all wrong. When he has time to process, you can practically see the tale running in his head. Next thing you know, he forgets to set his feet, rushes a throw b/c he realized he waited too long & either airmails it or throws it at the feet of the receiver. He has the mechanics....he just loses them under pressure.

Right. Watch him throw that deep out or deep corner. Hit's that back foot and boom, accurate pass with good feet. He is good, mechanics wise, on many quick read throws. However, he has a tendency to get messed up when he tries to rifle the ball on slants, and when he needs to survey the defense.

 

[ACamp1900]

He needs to run more. lol In November he had just as many chances to break the pocket and scramble as he did early on but he, for whatever reason, just stopped taking as many of those opportunities.

 

[ickythump1225]

He needs to run more. lol In November he had just as many chances to break the pocket and scramble as he did early on but he, for whatever reason, just stopped taking as many of those opportunities.

Yeah I noticed the same thing. If you can't keep the defense honest with your arms, use your legs. It took a big dimension out of our offense. I have a feeling someone coached the aggression out of him, which would be par for the course in the Kelly era.

 

[ND88]

He needs to run more. lol In November he had just as many chances to break the pocket and scramble as he did early on but he, for whatever reason, just stopped taking as many of those opportunities.

I’ve said this before, but he was a different dude after that Wake hit in the endzone before half. People don’t give him enough credit for how baddass he was running the ball. He was fierce. But he was definitely rattled and injured and more hesitant after that.

 

[Veritate Duce Progredi]

I’ve said this before, but he was a different dude after that Wake hit in the endzone before half. People don’t give him enough credit for how baddass he was running the ball. He was fierce. But he was definitely rattled and injured and more hesitant after that.

This is true. There was a dramatic shift from that point after, let's hope that's the culprit because the way we finished wasn't encouraging. We played some average opponents who took advantage of our mistakes.

 

[AvesEvo]

Yeah I noticed the same thing. If you can't keep the defense honest with your arms, use your legs. It took a big dimension out of our offense. I have a feeling someone coached the aggression out of him, which would be par for the course in the Kelly era.

Those are basically my thoughts. Kelly saw what Wimbush was, and wanted him to be something else even though what we already had was working.

 

[Irishize]

He needs to run more. lol In November he had just as many chances to break the pocket and scramble as he did early on but he, for whatever reason, just stopped taking as many of those opportunities.

Stanford did a great job of scheming their defense to keep Wimbush in the pocket. Most time he tried to scramble, the D corralled him PDQ. Shaw said this was their objective going into the game. Now...take that same defensive scheme and insert more athletic defenders and you have what LSU will do in the bowl.

 

[ab2cmiller]

We just need to have all pass plays involve running a corner route to the left side of the field. Wimbush's completion percentage would jump to like 97%.

 

[NDohio]

Yeah I noticed the same thing. If you can't keep the defense honest with your arms, use your legs. It took a big dimension out of our offense. I have a feeling someone coached the aggression out of him, which would be par for the course in the Kelly era.

This absolutely happened. There was a play in the Miami(OH) game where he BW rolling to his left and he had all kinds of time and easily could have taken off and run for major yards. He didn't and ultimately had a completed pass. In the post game presser someone asked BK about that particular play and BK commented on what a great thing that it was and it was something they had been working on him with. It was part of his evolution as a QB.

 

[GowerND11]

This absolutely happened. There was a play in the Miami(OH) game where he BW rolling to his left and he had all kinds of time and easily could have taken off and run for major yards. He didn't and ultimately had a completed pass. In the post game presser someone asked BK about that particular play and BK commented on what a great thing that it was and it was something they had been working on him with. It was part of his evolution as a QB.

And that is good. He did the same thing in the NCSt game on that tiptoe catch by Smythe (I think?). Could have ran it, but hung around and threw the ball in the most perfect spot.

You want that evolution that he doesn't always tuck and run, but you cannot take that threat away. I think he was also concerned after twisting his ankle or foot or something towards the end of that game, and that caused him to be more cautious with running.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

I’ve said this before, but he was a different dude after that Wake hit in the endzone before half. People don’t give him enough credit for how baddass he was running the ball. He was fierce. But he was definitely rattled and injured and more hesitant after that.

It's rumored that that hit actually broke his left hand. If true, would explain much of the fall-off in offensive production afterward.

 

[NDohio]

And that is good. He did the same thing in the NCSt game on that tiptoe catch by Smythe (I think?). Could have ran it, but hung around and threw the ball in the most perfect spot.

You want that evolution that he doesn't always tuck and run, but you cannot take that threat away. I think he was also concerned after twisting his ankle or foot or something towards the end of that game, and that caused him to be more cautious with running.

In theory, yes it is good. But I think with BW it became an issue and took some of his aggressiveness on the ground away from him.

 

[ND88]

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Y'all a bunch of sell outs.

 

[OlympiaIrishFan]

He had accuracy issues all season. Not just after hand or foot injuries.

3 years in the program and mechanics are a mess. And has sub 50 percent accuracy. He isn’t a true freshman.

He is just not an accurate college thrower.

 

[tko]

BW, may God bless you today and keep you safe. Go out there and be the leader you are and have a heck of a game, son. Count on me!!!!

 

[dad4aa]

BW, may God bless you today and keep you safe. Go out there and be the leader you are and have a heck of a game, son. Count on me!!!!

Me too!!!

 

[Old Man Mike]

... and Brandon: RTDB!!!!

 

[OhioIrish31]

BW, may God bless you today and keep you safe. Go out there and be the leader you are and have a heck of a game, son. Count on me!!!!

Amen to that brotha!

 

[loomis41973]

Hopefully migraine free today.

Go IRISH

 

[irish4ever]

First half analysis: passing mechanics fixed? Nope!

 

[NorthDakota]

he's gonna make a good receiver next year

 

[T-Boone]

how would he go returning punts?