'14 OH QB DeShone Kizer (Notre Dame Signee)

[Whiskeyjack]

Perhaps that was their answer to not having film on Texas' offense?

"Hey, we're a base 4-3 or 4-2-5 depending on who we're playing. We have young safeties that might be liabilities in deep coverage. BUT let's run this formation that they won't have much film on, which should absolutely not backfire, despite the fact that our personnel haven't built any unit chemistry yet, since we don't have film on their offense either!"

Seriously though, there are not many realistic things Kelly and co. could have done to throw the game against Texas. Wasting several drives with a QB rotation and trying a janky DB-heavy formation are two of them, and we did both.

 

[IrishLion]

Seriously though, there are not many realistic things Kelly and co. could have done to throw the game against Texas. Wasting five drives with a QB rotation and trying a janky DB-heavy formation are two of them, and we did both.

I'm as fervent a Kelly-defender as they come. I think he is the best option for ND among the current landscape of college football.

Having said that, his mind-boggling stubbornness really is beginning to cost the program, especially in a year where we don't have one of the "weird sh*t happens?" excuses built in. It's perplexing.

 

[BobbyMac]

Seriously though, there are not many realistic things Kelly and co. could have done to throw the game against Texas. Wasting five drives with a QB rotation and trying a janky DB-heavy formation are two of them, and we did both.

I know you most likely have a very good explanation for the bolded (you are rarely wrong)

What were the other two drives besides Malik's 3?

 

[GowerND11]

I know you most likely have a very good explanation for the bolded (you are rarely wrong)

What were the other two drives besides Malik's 3?

I think he means in total we rotated the QBs 5 times before settling with just Kizer.

 

[NDohio]

I know you most likely have a very good explanation for the bolded (you are rarely wrong)

What were the other two drives besides Malik's 3?

I think he means in total we rotated the QBs 5 times before settling with just Kizer.

And I think he means the two wasted drives at the end of the game where BK took the foot off the gas.

Come on Whiskey! We need to know!!

 

[IRISHMAN]

I think he means in total we rotated the QBs 5 times before settling with just Kizer.

would ND have won if kizer played those posessions that were wasted on zaire? have to think that out of those 4 possesions that they could have gotten atleast 3 points.

 

[BobbyMac]

would ND have won if kizer played those posessions that were wasted on zaire? have to think that out of those 4 possesions that they could have gotten atleast 3 points.

MZ had 3 possessions and DK scored on 2 out of 3 drives that followed MZ's.

Can't be for sure but I wish DK got the first series of the second half too.

 

[Rack Em]

Since our D sucks something awful, Kelly should bring in Brey as an offensive consultant to teach our O the "Burn".

Take the full 40 each time.
Get creative with ways to only gain 4 yards.
...
Touchdown

 

[Whiskeyjack]

I know you most likely have a very good explanation for the bolded (you are rarely wrong)

What were the other two drives besides Malik's 3?

I think he means in total we rotated the QBs 5 times before settling with just Kizer.

And I think he means the two wasted drives at the end of the game where BK took the foot off the gas.

Come on Whiskey! We need to know!!

Just a mistake on my part. Though Kizer's performance may have been better had his rhythm not been interrupted by the rotation, the only drives that we can confidently assume fell short of their potential were Malik's three. Still, we only got 13 drives before OT, so blowing a quarter of them against a blue-blood opponent in prime time because Kelly didn't want to hurt someone's feelings is... frustrating.

would ND have won if kizer played those posessions that were wasted on zaire? have to think that out of those 4 possesions that they could have gotten atleast 3 points.

I think we would have. Kizer scored 5 TDs across his 10 drives, or 3.5 points/ drive; Zaire didn't score at all. I don't have time to break down the disparity in yards/ drive between the two, but it should be equally large. So holding all else constant, had Kizer gotten those three drives instead of Malik, we likely win the game by 10 points instead of going to OT and losing.

 

[IrishBroker]

QBR takes into account everything (TD to INT ration included), which is why Kizer's QBR is so great... When I said 'it's not great', I'm talking specifically to the 215 passing yards. That doesn't blow my doors off, but his game was great, and if he played the whole thing we would have won. I'm saying nothing but positives about Kizer.

Not to mention, it adjusts for how bad/good a defense is.

it's truly the best barometer of how good a QB is. At least throwing the ball

 

[koonja]

Not to mention, it adjusts for how bad/good a defense is.

it's truly the best barometer of how good a QB is. At least throwing the ball

To be clear, my OP was to say 'Kizer's awesome'. I ran through his stats, ended on 215 yards, and said 'which isn't great'... But my point was overall he was a stud on Sunday and should have taken every snap in hindsight.

 

[greyhammer90]

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[Ignats]

This may have been posted earlier, but Walter Football's updated Mock today has Kizer going #1 to San Francisco.

2017 NFL Mock Draft - WalterFootball.com

 

[Whiskeyjack]

van Gorder says:

 

[IrishBroker]

LOL...But...but...Our D made some key stops and the OT points don't count...

 

[kmoose]

would ND have won if kizer played those posessions that were wasted on zaire? have to think that out of those 4 possesions that they could have gotten atleast 3 points.

So holding all else constant, had Kizer gotten those three drives instead of Malik, we likely win the game by 10 points instead of going to OT and losing.

I don't disagree with the premise that we likely would have won the game if Kizer had played the whole game, but as long as we are playing "what if"......

"What if" Yoon doesn't barely clear the LOS on a relatively "gimme" ~36 yard FG, allowing a defender to block the kick?

 

[Whiskeyjack]

"What if" Yoon doesn't barely clear the LOS on a relatively "gimme" ~36 yard FG, allowing a defender to block the kick?

There's a big difference between a 19-year old student athlete coming up short on the field, and our coaching staff making two colossally stupid strategic mistakes in a huge prime-time season opener against a blue blood opponent. Had Kelly opted for a more obvious, conservative choice on either front (name Kizer the starter, base out of our usual 4-3, etc.), then we win that game comfortably. Instead, our season is already hanging by a thread.

 

[IrishBroker]

There's a big difference between a 19-year old student athlete coming up short on the field, and our coaching staff making two colossally stupid strategic mistakes in a huge prime-time season opener against a blue blood opponent. Had Kelly opted for a more obvious, conservative choice on either front (name Kizer the starter, base out of our usual 4-3, etc.), then we win that game comfortably. Instead, our season is already hanging by a thread.

This.

I'm said from the start that if Kizer is in the whole game, our offense doesn't give UT the chances it had.

We aren't down 31-14 if Kizer plays the whole first half.

 

[kmoose]

our season is already hanging by a thread.

I disagree. Our playoff chances might already be hanging by a thread, but we can still have a very successful season. Say we finish the season 10-2, and ranked #9. We get into the Sugar Bowl against 10-2, #5, SEC Runner Up; Auburn. We beat Auburn. You're going to tell me that you would NOT consider that a successful season?*


*I realize that scenario is a long shot, but it's not impossible. If the defense improves to just finish in the top 1/3 of CFB, that scenario becomes very realistic.

 

[IrishLion]

I disagree. Our playoff chances might already be hanging by a thread, but we can still have a very successful season. Say we finish the season 10-2, and ranked #9. We get into the Sugar Bowl against 10-2, #5, SEC Runner Up; Auburn. We beat Auburn. You're going to tell me that you would NOT consider that a successful season?*


*I realize those that scenario is a long shot, but it's not impossible. If the defense improves to just finish in the top 1/3 of CFB, that scenario becomes very realistic.

Plz sub "Auburn" with "Power Conference Fraud" (see: Iowa, 2015) and I'm good.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

I disagree. Our playoff chances might already be hanging by a thread, but we can still have a very successful season. Say we finish the season 10-2, and ranked #9. We get into the Sugar Bowl against 10-2, #5, SEC Runner Up; Auburn. We beat Auburn. You're going to tell me that you would NOT consider that a successful season?*

Yes, I would consider that a successful season. Though the odds of us surviving this season with only one more loss are very low. I've despaired of making the playoffs while Uncle Rico is still our DC, and there will inevitably be some growing pains during his transition, so our program has a disappointingly low ceiling for the foreseeable future.

*I realize those that scenario is a long shot, but it's not impossible. If the defense improves to just finish in the top 1/3 of CFB, that scenario becomes very realistic.

Given van Gorder's apparent inability to simplify his defense, to protect our paper-thin and super green secondary, to develop our defensive talent, etc... what sort of odds would you put on that? 5%? 10%? Simply playing up to the level of our recruited talent seems out of the question. Fielding an even average defense is apparently a lot to ask of him. Right now, S&P+ ranks our defense at 81st nationally. That's worse than most of the years under Weis.

 

[kmoose]

Yes, I would consider that a successful season. Though the odds of us surviving this season with only one more loss are very low. I've despaired of making the playoffs while Uncle Rico is still our DC, and there will inevitably be some growing pains during his transition, so our program has a disappointingly low ceiling for the foreseeable future.



Given van Gorder's apparent inability to simplify his defense, to protect our paper-thin and super green secondary, to develop our defensive talent, etc... what sort of odds would you put on that? 5%? 10%? Simply playing up to the level of our recruited talent seems out of the question. Fielding an even average defense is apparently a lot to ask of him. Right now, S&P+ ranks our defense at 81st nationally. That's worse than most of the years under Weis.

I conceded that I did not think it would be easy. But if you can't look for a miracle at "God's University", then where can you look for one at?

 

[zelezo vlk]

I conceded that I did not think it would be easy. But if you can't look for a miracle at "God's University", then where can you look for one at?

Well this is His Mother's University.

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[Irish Insanity]

MZ had 3 possessions and DK scored on 2 out of 3 drives that followed MZ's.

Can't be for sure but I wish DK got the first series of the second half too.

I've probably said it 20 times now in the various threads, but that's the one thing with BK and the offensive side of the ball I just can't get over. Helen Keller could've seen that rolling Zaire out after half wasn't the right decision. Add to the that the fact Texas opened the half with a TD to put us down 16.

 

[ND Fan Vancouver]

I don't have much faith in our Defense this year. My hope is that we get a new DC and next year (yes I'm all ready thinking about next year) with the talent we have on paper plus another good recruiting class, we should be able to field a really good Defense if we have a more standard Defensive system. Our Offense next year should be pretty supreme. I hate to be looking next year after only playing one game but that's where my head is at.

 

[kmoose]

Well this is His Mother's University.

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God digs sharing, ya know?

 

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

God digs sharing, ya know?

Hippie

 

[kmoose]

Hippie

dshans is the hippie. I'm just a guy trying to get through life without too much hassle.

 

[mgriff]

I mean it's nice you guys are holding out hopes for the playoffs, but after that performance I don't see how we can fill all the holes on defense to run the table. I think we can score with anyone, but the defense is to much of a liability.

 

[ND Fan Vancouver]

I mean it's nice you guys are holding out hopes for the playoffs, but after that performance I don't see how we can fill all the holes on defense to run the table. I think we can score with anyone, but the defense is to much of a liability.

True. A few things could happen to really help our D. I think slaying Nevada this week and getting some youth on the field for experience will help confidence and depth to get work. When Nick Watkins gets back and is a capable corner, it'll help a lot. If Studstill really plays well and does a good job at starting FS and tackle well, that'll help. If Jay Hayes gets back and disrupts, that will help. Nyles Morgan will probably improve every game. I'm not holding my breath but the things I just laid out May happen and would be significant.
Go IRISH.