'14 OH QB DeShone Kizer (Notre Dame Signee)

[kmoose]

We have smart, national analysts picking Kizer to win the Heisman and we are in a 2 QB system.

...smh

We haven't even played the first game yet. Kelly and Co. could very well already know who is going to be the starter for the season, but figure that they will reward the backup with "co-starter" status for the first game. It might just be a psychological ploy on their part to encourage everyone else who is a backup to work that much harder to close the gap between them and the starter.

 

[koonja]

I don't need to read it. (but I did)

I'm not predicting a guy who hasn't won his position is going to win the Heisman. I won't even mention that said player lost the games most electric playmaker at WR and the #1 LT in the NFL Draft. I also won't add that they get back their starting RB from the year before and the all time leading freshman RB in program history. You can add inexperience at WR if you want, i don't have time.

Tell me another time in the history of college football this has happened.

I hope MZ pulls another Texas '15 and benches DK for good so I can see a bunch of grown men swallow their pom poms.

Here, here. I love watching Malik play simply from an entertainment perspective. I don't expect us to win a title this year so I might as well be entertained (I also think Malik can win just as well as Kizer, but get why people think otherwise).

 

[gkIrish]

They should fire Sanford and hire Jeremiah. CBK really dropped the ball hiring him apparently.

Sanford wants Kizer to start.

I don't need to read it. (but I did)

I'm not predicting a guy who hasn't won his position is going to win the Heisman. I won't even mention that said player lost the games most electric playmaker at WR and the #1 LT in the NFL Draft. I also won't add that they get back their starting RB from the year before and the all time leading freshman RB in program history. You can add inexperience at WR if you want, i don't have time.

Tell me another time in the history of college football this has happened.

I hope MZ pulls another Texas '15 and benches DK for good so I can see a bunch of grown men swallow their pom poms.

It's not about whether the Heisman pick was actually a good one. It's about the fact that we have an NFL talent who proved himself on the field last year and he isn't getting all the 1st team reps. Everyone with half a brain knows it.

Also, the bolded comment is pretty ironic. You criticize people for having pom poms but then go on to proclaim your hope that one QB causes the other one to get benched. Classic.

 

[Irish Insanity]

We have smart, national analysts picking Kizer to win the Heisman and we are in a 2 QB system.

...smh

I strongly approve this message.

Sanford wants Kizer to start.

Do we know this to be true?

 

[gkIrish]

I strongly approve this message.



Do we know this to be true?

I was told that if it was up to Sanford Kizer would start. Sanford hasn't worked with Malik nearly as much so has a much higher comfort level with DK.

 

[RDU Irish]

If we are playoff bound - someone will be the face of our program and headed to NYC. May not win but they will be in the mix.

Kizer and Zaire are my #1 and #2 most likely. I don't see the 2QB system holding up and really think one of them runs away with it. Adams would be my distant #3 - probably would need to returns some kicks for TDs and some real stat monster games early.

It is such a QB/RB heavy popularity contest.

 

[IrishLion]

I hope MZ pulls another Texas '15 and benches DK for good so I can see a bunch of grown men swallow their pom poms.

It's not about whether the Heisman pick was actually a good one. It's about the fact that we have an NFL talent who proved himself on the field last year and he isn't getting all the 1st team reps. Everyone with half a brain knows it.

Also, the bolded comment is pretty ironic. You criticize people for having pom poms but then go on to proclaim your hope that one QB causes the other one to get benched. Classic.

Yeah, you seem to be reacting a bit too strongly to those who are in the pro-Kizer circle, Crusader. It's not that people are spouting off with pom-poms and will be dancing in the streets if Kizer ends up being clearly better than Zaire. It's that many people want the guy with a whole season under his belt and some semblance of continuity to win the job outright, that's all.

You're acting like pro-Kizer posters are attacking Malik.

 

[Wild Bill]

1) Did you read his explanation? I'm guessing no.

2) If DJ thinks that highly of Kizer that means he is the truth and we are wasting snaps on Zaire (again, I have nothing but love for Malik but Kizer should play).

Kizer may end up being the better option but Zaire is not a wasted snap. He's just not that type of player. He's going to give you whatever he's got every play. Maybe that's not as much as what Kizer can give you but it's not a wasted snap.

If Kizer is as good as you and other believe him to be this will work itself out quickly.

 

[gkIrish]

Kizer may end up being the better option but Zaire is not a wasted snap. He's just not that type of player. He's going to give you whatever he's got every play. Maybe that's not as much as what Kizer can give you but it's not a wasted snap.

If Kizer is as good as you and other believe him to be this will work itself out quickly.

I didn't mean "wasted snap" as a disparaging comment about MZ. I meant that every snap that he gets is one less snap that Kizer would have gotten. IMO Malik playing does not offer any advantage in the short-term, but it hurts the team in the long-term.

 

[Irish Insanity]

I was told that if it was up to Sanford Kizer would start. Sanford hasn't worked with Malik nearly as much so has a much higher comfort level with DK.

Interesting. Maybe it's time to revisit the revisit thread.

 

[NDinL.A.]

I hope MZ pulls another Texas '15 and benches DK for good so I can see a bunch of grown men swallow their pom poms.

What a great fan and a great guy.

Has there been a bunch of "Zaire sucks" posts that I've missed? Why can't a fan think one QB is better than the other? Does that make him less of a fan, or a bad fan?

FWIW, I went in to the practice a couple of weeks ago convinced that Kizer should start. After 2 hours of watching both play live, I had no idea who should start, not because Kizer looked bad, but because Zaire looked so much better than I had anticipated. So personally, I see both sides of the coin. What I don’t get is statements like the above. Hyperbole or not, it sounds like you are the one so entrenched in your opinion that you'd would rather be right than see the Kizer (and thus the team) do well.

Oh yeah, you maturely blocked me LOL (after I had a legit argument) so you won’t see this. Oh well.

 

[NDdomer2]

Yeah, you seem to be reacting a bit too strongly to those who are in the pro-Kizer circle, Crusader. It's not that people are spouting off with pom-poms and will be dancing in the streets if Kizer ends up being clearly better than Zaire. It's that many people want the guy with a whole season under his belt and some semblance of continuity to win the job outright, that's all.

You're acting like pro-Kizer posters are attacking Malik.

yes, he is overly emotionally invested in MZ, even stated he hopes he transfers if he doesnt get the job outright.

 

[IrishLion]

What a great fan and a great guy.

Has there been a bunch of "Zaire sucks" posts that I've missed? Why can't a fan think one QB is better than the other? Does that make him less of a fan, or a bad fan?

FWIW, I went in to the practice a couple of weeks ago convinced that Kizer should start. After 2 hours of watching both play live, I had no idea who should start, not because Kizer looked bad, but because Zaire looked so much better than I had anticipated. So personally, I see both sides of the coin. What I don’t get is statements like the above. Hyperbole or not, it sounds like you are the one entrenched in your opinion and would rather be right than see the Kizer (and thus the team) do well.

Oh yeah, you maturely blocked me LOL (after I had a legit argument) so you won’t see this. Oh well.

That's a shame, it's a good post.


(See what I did there)

 

[Wild Bill]

I didn't mean "wasted snap" as a disparaging comment about MZ. I meant that every snap that he gets is one less snap that Kizer would have gotten. IMO Malik playing does not offer any advantage in the short-term, but it hurts the team in the long-term.

Encouraging competition benefits the team, both in the short term and long term. If one of them clearly pulls away from the other and Kelly still plays both, then I would tend to agree with you. Every report I've read has both QBs playing great and basically even (similar to what LA said above) so I would roll with both hoping one emerges quickly. This will make them both better.

 

[RDU Irish]

I have no problem with the whole thing - to start the season. If it isn't sorted by week 3 or 4 I will be surprised and at the same time fully expect ridiculously predictable tendencies for each QB. Most likely, one produces more than the other and has nothing to do but accept the clipboard and wait for garbage time.

Big problem has been lack of blow outs allowing backups PT. Puts so many more snaps on starters/regulars and keeps the 2nd/3rd string greener and less ready to step up if needed. It had been a big contributor to falling apart late in the season since our top line was worn out due to nothing but close games keeping them on the field.

 

[koonja]

I've said this before, I'm hoping this Texas game is an extension of the evaluation, not a plan for the entire season. If BK's plan is to let them separate themselves this game, then let the 1 start/finish the Nevada game to get a full game's experience against an inferior opponent (not to mention justify his choice considering we should stomp them), and have them ready to go for MSU, I dig it.

IF this is going to be a weekly cluster, I hate it.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

We have smart, national analysts picking Kizer to win the Heisman and we are in a 2 QB system.

...smh

Wow, have things changed in this thread in such a short time. It seems like just last year I was the only fool in here talking up DK! Hey, wait a minute! It was just a year ago.

Now, anyone want to say it can't happen this year? Because Johnson didn't just say Heisman, he also said 'top NFL pick,' as well!

Hmm! Anyone want to be against DeShone?

And, to me an interesting question is, "Can they split the Heisman between two players at the same position on the same team?"

 

[koonja]

Wow, have things changed in this thread in such a short time. It seems like just last year I was the only fool in here talking up DK! Hey, wait a minute! It was just a year ago.

Now, anyone want to say it can't happen this year? Because Johnson didn't just say Heisman, he also said 'top NFL pick,' as well!

Hmm! Anyone want to be against DeShone?

And, to me an interesting question is, "Can they split the Heisman between two players at the same position on the same team?"

Let's not get carried away. You were talking up his basketball skills and saying he was a threat to go play D2 hoops.

 

[Domina Nostra]

Wow, have things changed in this thread in such a short time. It seems like just last year I was the only fool in here talking up DK! Hey, wait a minute! It was just a year ago.

Now, anyone want to say it can't happen this year? Because Johnson didn't just say Heisman, he also said 'top NFL pick,' as well!

Hmm! Anyone want to be against DeShone?

And, to me an interesting question is, "Can they split the Heisman between two players at the same position on the same team?"

LOL. There were others. Here is one from 2014:

I think its more like Zaire plus...

Golson was setting passing records in high school and beat Clowney's team for the State Championship. The questions for Golson were really only whether he was big enough and whether he was focused enough.

Kizer is an immense talent that is now turning his full-time attention to football. He's not a project in the sense that he is not a natural QB. He's a project in the sense that he was not as focused on one sport before college. His ceiling is super high, but will he have enough time to get there. Kind of like Colin Kapernick.

Here's another.

Totally agree.

The kid was a nearly 6'5", 210 lbs, 3-sport athlete with a big arm, good running ability, and lots of smarts. What do you want in a qb? He's got all the tools.

To me, he's like a faster Dayne Crist with a slightly smaller arm. Dayne didn't work out, but that was not for lack of athleticism.

I was initially down on Zaire and Kaizer a bit, but both of them have an impressive competitiveness that complements their intelligence and athleticism. It would not suprise me at all if he turned out to be a good one down the road.

 

[BobbyMac]

Sanford wants Kizer to start.



It's not about whether the Heisman pick was actually a good one. It's about the fact that we have an NFL talent who proved himself on the field last year and he isn't getting all the 1st team reps. Everyone with half a brain knows it.

Also, the bolded comment is pretty ironic. You criticize people for having pom poms but then go on to proclaim your hope that one QB causes the other one to get benched. Classic.

I missed Sanford saying that. Do you have a link?

Rick Mirer held a clip board when Tony Rice was running the show. Fun times, I wish more of the posters here could have seen it.

In regards to liking Malik over DK, I have a significant personal reason to feel that way BUT I don't rah rah about it. I really don't care who wins in the end as long as the team plays well. Both of these guys have the world by the short hairs and neither's lives will be adversely efected in the long run over who wins the majority of the snaps.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

Let's not get carried away. You were talking up his basketball skills and saying he was a threat to go play D2 hoops.

Koon, watch in, you don't want a piece of that!

 

[IrishLion]

It seems like just last year I was the only fool in here talking up DK! Hey, wait a minute! It was just a year ago.

LOL. There were others. Here is one from 2014:

ahem, throw me in there.

Kizer is going to end up as ND's Tony Pike... 'cept better.

 

[Veritate Duce Progredi]

I've said this before, I'm hoping this Texas game is an extension of the evaluation, not a plan for the entire season. If BK's plan is to let them separate themselves this game, then let the 1 start/finish the Nevada game to get a full game's experience against an inferior opponent (not to mention justify his choice considering we should stomp them), and have them ready to go for MSU, I dig it.

IF this is going to be a weekly cluster, I hate it.

What percentage of split snaps would you be comfortable with (if it went all season)? 80/20? 70/30?

Assuming one wins the starting job, I'd be okay if the other still received 10-20% of the snaps. I think 80% of snaps is still a starter's role.

 

[koonja]

What percentage of split snaps would you be comfortable with (if it went all season)? 80/20? 70/30?

Assuming one wins the starting job, I'd be okay if the other still received 10-20% of the snaps. I think 80% of snaps is still a starter's role.

If it's 50/50 for Texas, and 80% or more for 'the guy' after that, I'm ok with. As a fan and as a couch coach, when we're down 3 to MSU, I don't want to wonder who the hell is coming in for our last drive to win the game. I think that uncertainty is terrible for the team and for the QB.

But 80% or more I'm OK with.

 

[gkIrish]

bla bla bla bla bla In regards to liking Malik over DK, I have a significant personal reason to feel that way bla bla bla bla

FIFY

 

[WestCoast]

Not sure why you all be debating this anyway. When DK and MZ push Brian's face past light red, ridculous red, then ludicrous and he goes plaid, Monty is coming in to save the day.

 

[ulukinatme]

I'll cut a bitch if someone suggests Malik doesn't start.

 

[ND Fan Vancouver]

Just noticed DK was offered by BAMA. Interesting. I think there's no way to project snaps. They're both so good. The only thing that will change it is if one guy really tears it up and can't be kept off the field or if one guys turns the ball over/plays poorly or "knock on wood" someone gets hurt. Heck if both MZ and DK got injured we'd have Wimbush, and that would be just fine with me. I think in the end Wimbush will be the best QB out of the three coming outta ND
GO IRISH

 

[Irish#1]

Just noticed DK was offered by BAMA. Interesting. I think there's no way to project snaps. They're both so good. The only thing that will change it is if one guy really tears it up and can't be kept off the field or if one guys turns the ball over/plays poorly or "knock on wood" someone gets hurt. Heck if both MZ and DK got injured we'd have Wimbush, and that would be just fine with me. I think in the end Wimbush will be the best QB out of the three coming outta ND
GO IRISH

Temper that enthusiasm. Wimbush hasn't played yet.

 

[Henges24]

So who plays when we are blowing a team out if we go the entire season with the 2 'starting' QBs? Wimbush is red-shirting and I doubt we would put MVG in (but maybe?). Do we play the freshman? Whoever is 3rd string (most likely)? Or keep playing DK and MZ the entire game? Why risk an injury when the game is already out of hand?

Probably won't have to worry about ND blowing a team out but just some food for thought.