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SIAP, but I was looking back thru here and didn't see it...Eric Hansen, ND Football beat reporter for the South Bend Tribune, does SportsBeat radio show on WSBT 960am...last night he was saying that if EG himself reached out to LSU or any other school at this point, he could violate and endanger his eligibility. Not sure if he meant this because it is something he wouldn't qualify for since he won't be a graduate until May or what exactly. Anyone got any info on this being true or not?
 

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SIAP, but I was looking back thru here and didn't see it...Eric Hansen, ND Football beat reporter for the South Bend Tribune, does SportsBeat radio show on WSBT 960am...last night he was saying that if EG himself reached out to LSU or any other school at this point, he could violate and endanger his eligibility. Not sure if he meant this because it is something he wouldn't qualify for since he won't be a graduate until May or what exactly. Anyone got any info on this being true or not?
I think there's something to do with a waiver where he can talk to schools without penalty as long as he tells BK about it and BK okays it.

Also, IrishLax flat-out confirmed that Golson has, in fact, talked to schools, and I believe him more than George Whitfield.
 

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I'm surprised people still want to put any eggs in the Golson basket. People point to amazing "Heisman moments" he's had, like the final drive against Stanford this year, but they forget that he played like crap for most of that game. Same thing with the Pitt comeback in 2012. The guy is not a QB, he's an athlete. He makes great plays when they break down, but Zaire can run a better offense overall imo. He can run the read option, he's a leader, and his arm ain't that shabby. Zaire goes through his progressions better too, imo.

The bowl game was a lot of fun to watch. Zaire really made some fantastic reads on the zone read running game and had a terrific first half of football. In the second half, and specifically the fourth quarter, I couldn't wait for EG to get in the game. The LSU defense was starting to figure MZ out and ND began having three and outs. Every time MZ went back to pass, he looked at his first option and if it wasn't there, he took off running.

I disagree with the bold.

The offense BK ran with MZ worked well because of the surprise factor and lack of film for LSU to use to plan against it. LSU adjusted and started to really slow down the offensive progress. On that final drive, EG went through his progressions well. He threw two passes that were the most impressive for me as he was throwing to players that were not his first option. The short pass to Folston, where he was the check down, and the pass to Koyack in the middle of the field. Both of those were easy passes, but they were great to see from the mental standpoint for EG.

EG definitely lost his confidence late in the year. If he can regain that, I want him on my team.
 

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The bowl game was a lot of fun to watch. Zaire really made some fantastic reads on the zone read running game and had a terrific first half of football. In the second half, and specifically the fourth quarter, I couldn't wait for EG to get in the game. The LSU defense was starting to figure MZ out and ND began having three and outs. Every time MZ went back to pass, he looked at his first option and if it wasn't there, he took off running.

I disagree with the bold.

The offense BK ran with MZ worked well because of the surprise factor and lack of film for LSU to use to plan against it. LSU adjusted and started to really slow down the offensive progress. On that final drive, EG went through his progressions well. He threw two passes that were the most impressive for me as he was throwing to players that were not his first option. The short pass to Folston, where he was the check down, and the pass to Koyack in the middle of the field. Both of those were easy passes, but they were great to see from the mental standpoint for EG.

EG definitely lost his confidence late in the year. If he can regain that, I want him on my team.

You can't really say the LSU defense was figuring out Malik when they really only stuffed him on one drive (3 and out in the 4th quarter). The other drive that stalled quickly came in the 3rd after starting the series off with a holding penalty and BK decided to run the ball 3 times on 1st and 20. That drive was on Kelly. Every other drive Malik was in resulted in points or in one case good field position. The final drive was put together by both Malik and Golson, and Malik accounted for at least 1/3 of those yards running and passing.
 

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The bowl game was a lot of fun to watch. Zaire really made some fantastic reads on the zone read running game and had a terrific first half of football. In the second half, and specifically the fourth quarter, I couldn't wait for EG to get in the game. The LSU defense was starting to figure MZ out and ND began having three and outs. Every time MZ went back to pass, he looked at his first option and if it wasn't there, he took off running.

I disagree with the bold.

The offense BK ran with MZ worked well because of the surprise factor and lack of film for LSU to use to plan against it. LSU adjusted and started to really slow down the offensive progress. On that final drive, EG went through his progressions well. He threw two passes that were the most impressive for me as he was throwing to players that were not his first option. The short pass to Folston, where he was the check down, and the pass to Koyack in the middle of the field. Both of those were easy passes, but they were great to see from the mental standpoint for EG.

EG definitely lost his confidence late in the year. If he can regain that, I want him on my team.

I don't necessarily disagree, but some of the issues with Zaire as the bowl game wore on was that tied to him not being the beneficiary of first team reps over the long term the way EG was. I imagine that Zaire's weakness in finding secondary receivers is a function of experience, not anything else. So that would improve over the offseason and into the fall.

Remember that, for the first two-thirds of the season, Kelly, when asked about whether he'd replace a fumbling, INT-prone EG, said, essentially (or actually, as I think about it, said literally), "No, we stay with Golson. We don't have anyone else." Those were his very words. That tells me Zaire wasn't viewed as ready and wasn't getting the reps he'd need to really improve and take over. Or else Kelly was sandbagging, which I doubt.

My point being that Zaire could definitely be what we need, given the reps and prep that EG got. But I still want them both. Golson is a lot better than he looked the second half of the year; he looked confidence-shaken -- underthrown passes, trying to do too much -- and yet the ball security issue is a huge red flag. He didn't get better at that, even when he knew it was a proclivity.
 

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What about Kizer? Your point is still very well taken.

Kizer, while a RS Freshman, is still a Freshman. No game experience. He may end up being very good but still not ideal with the weapons we have will have.

I think there's something to do with a waiver where he can talk to schools without penalty as long as he tells BK about it and BK okays it.

Also, IrishLax flat-out confirmed that Golson has, in fact, talked to schools, and I believe him more than George Whitfield.

wizards is on it with the waiver. Similar to how schools can not let players out of their scholarships, athletes must request to have contact with other schools when considering transferring. How that applies to players who have used their 4 years and are on track to graduate, and the timing of graduation/free contact is unknown to me.

It is interesting to me that Whitfield is the one refuting these claims. He would have been the first one I would have thought who could have contact with a lot of schools through his business and this years tour with College Game Day that could "behind the scenes" get a sense of where Golson may be wanted.

The bowl game was a lot of fun to watch. Zaire really made some fantastic reads on the zone read running game and had a terrific first half of football. In the second half, and specifically the fourth quarter, I couldn't wait for EG to get in the game. The LSU defense was starting to figure MZ out and ND began having three and outs. Every time MZ went back to pass, he looked at his first option and if it wasn't there, he took off running.


The offense BK ran with MZ worked well because of the surprise factor and lack of film for LSU to use to plan against it. LSU adjusted and started to really slow down the offensive progress. On that final drive, EG went through his progressions well. He threw two passes that were the most impressive for me as he was throwing to players that were not his first option. The short pass to Folston, where he was the check down, and the pass to Koyack in the middle of the field. Both of those were easy passes, but they were great to see from the mental standpoint for EG.

EG definitely lost his confidence late in the year. If he can regain that, I want him on my team.

Bold - I believe Coach Kelly even spoke about this in the post game presser.

I saw Zaire hit his second read a couple times. But there was nothing wrong with his "not there, get what we can" attitude. Kelly had a goal of 9 minutes a quarter. Incomplete passes don't do that. He did was he was told to do.

Golson - The progression to Koyak got us going that last drive, the check down to Folston won the game, imo.
 
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I don't necessarily disagree, but some of the issues with Zaire as the bowl game wore on was that tied to him not being the beneficiary of first team reps over the long term the way EG was. I imagine that Zaire's weakness in finding secondary receivers is a function of experience, not anything else. So that would improve over the offseason and into the fall.

Remember that, for the first two-thirds of the season, Kelly, when asked about whether he'd replace a fumbling, INT-prone EG, said, essentially (or actually, as I think about it, said literally), "No, we stay with Golson. We don't have anyone else." Those were his very words. That tells me Zaire wasn't viewed as ready and wasn't getting the reps he'd need to really improve and take over. Or else Kelly was sandbagging, which I doubt.

My point being that Zaire could definitely be what we need, given the reps and prep that EG got. But I still want them both. Golson is a lot better than he looked the second half of the year; he looked confidence-shaken -- underthrown passes, trying to do too much -- and yet the ball security issue is a huge red flag. He didn't get better at that, even when he knew it was a proclivity
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I can agree with this. I also think this paragraph is why we need both players on the roster next year. They compliment one another greatly.

Kizer, while a RS Freshman, is still a Freshman. No game experience. He may end up being very good but still not ideal with the weapons we have will have.



wizards is on it with the waiver. Similar to how schools can not let players out of their scholarships, athletes must request to have contact with other schools when considering transferring. How that applies to players who have used their 4 years and are on track to graduate, and the timing of graduation/free contact is unknown to me.

It is interesting to me that Whitfield is the one refuting these claims. He would have been the first one I would have thought who could have contact with a lot of schools through his business and this years tour with College Game Day that could "behind the scenes" get a sense of where Golson may be wanted.



Bold - I believe Coach Kelly even spoke about this in the post game presser.

I saw Zaire hit his second read a couple times. But there was nothing wrong with his "not there, get what we can" attitude. Kelly had a goal of 9 minutes a quarter. Incomplete passes don't do that. He did was he was told to do.

Golson - The progression to Koyak got us going that last drive, the check down to Folston won the game, imo
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wizards is on it with the waiver. Similar to how schools can not let players out of their scholarships, athletes must request to have contact with other schools when considering transferring. How that applies to players who have used their 4 years and are on track to graduate, and the timing of graduation/free contact is unknown to me.

It is interesting to me that Whitfield is the one refuting these claims. He would have been the first one I would have thought who could have contact with a lot of schools through his business and this years tour with College Game Day that could "behind the scenes" get a sense of where Golson may be wanted.

Given the amount of smoke there is around the LSU contact rumor and the fact that the denial is coming from Whitfield, my suspicion is that he made the call without requesting permission to contact. His eligibility isn't immediately threatened (I don't actually think it's threatened at all; the violation would be LSU's), but Notre Dame could use the incident as a basis for denying LSU permission to contact while granting it to other schools, effectively boxing out LSU as they wait for Golson to graduate. Furthermore, if they didn't end the call, LSU committed a recruiting violation.

13.1.1.3 is the relevant section here and requires written permission from Notre Dame before LSU is permitted to discuss the possibility of a transfer with Golson even if he reaches out to them. As long as Golson remains a student-athlete at Notre Dame, this bylaw would apply, regardless of his status as a graduate student-athlete next year. Once he officially graduates, my read of the definitions is that Golson would be clear to contact other schools without Notre Dame's permission, but the graduation has to happen first.
 

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Given the amount of smoke there is around the LSU contact rumor and the fact that the denial is coming from Whitfield, my suspicion is that he made the call without requesting permission to contact. His eligibility isn't immediately threatened (I don't actually think it's threatened at all; the violation would be LSU's), but Notre Dame could use the incident as a basis for denying LSU permission to contact while granting it to other schools, effectively boxing out LSU as they wait for Golson to graduate. Furthermore, if they didn't end the call, LSU committed a recruiting violation.

13.1.1.3 is the relevant section here and requires written permission from Notre Dame before LSU is permitted to discuss the possibility of a transfer with Golson even if he reaches out to them. As long as Golson remains a student-athlete at Notre Dame, this bylaw would apply, regardless of his status as a graduate student-athlete next year. Once he officially graduates, my read of the definitions is that Golson would be clear to contact other schools without Notre Dame's permission, but the graduation has to happen first.


When Golson spoke to someone on the LSU staff, the first thing out of the LSU coach's mouth was, "Everett, I'm going to have Coach Mles call Coach Kelly and then we'll go from there. That is unless, Golson's call was after Kelly reached out to Miles beforehand. IF it didn't go down just like that... SOMEONE'S in trouble.

I transferred from DI to DI and I was on staff at a DI basketball program, as i said yesterday, you don't pick up your phone and start making calls especially at the ND, LSU level. There are rules and they are followed. The only exception is basketball when you get former AAU coaches involved. It isn't happening at Power 5 football level with 2 top ten national powers.

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So is there any truth to Golson reaching out to LSU? Don't want to read all these pages to catchup. Thanks.


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So is there any truth to Golson reaching out to LSU? Don't want to read all these pages to catchup. Thanks.


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Yes. He's not LOOKING to transfer but he wants to have options if he doesn't come out of spring ball as the QB1. Not just LSU but others too.
 

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I think Malik is our guy but I hope EG doesn't transfer. When Malik struggles next season (let's be honest with ourselves he will struggle) we know we have a capable reliever just like Tommy did in 2012 for EG.
 

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I think Malik is our guy but I hope EG doesn't transfer. When Malik struggles next season (let's be honest with ourselves he will struggle) we know we have a capable reliever just like Tommy did in 2012 for EG.

I don't know if Malik's struggles will be as costly to the team.

1. He can run the option so the offense will not be just depending on his arm.
2. We will be depending on our RBs and our O line more next season. Hopefully!
3. I believe that the passing playbook will open up more for Malik after spring football. He will get more time with the first team and get better on his touch passes, field vision and progressions.

Like it has been said before, I know it is a small body of work with Malik at the helm but I believe the ship is better off with him steering it!
 

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With our RBs, Oline, WRs, and IF we commit to the run, Koon could be decent at QB for us. Now if we can just get BK to buy in we will be just fine, doesn't matter who the QB will be
 
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I don't know if Malik's struggles will be as costly to the team.

1. He can run the option so the offense will not be just depending on his arm.
2. We will be depending on our RBs and our O line more next season. Hopefully!
3. I believe that the passing playbook will open up more for Malik after spring football. He will get more time with the first team and get better on his touch passes, field vision and progressions.

Like it has been said before, I know it is a small body of work with Malik at the helm but I believe the ship is better off with him steering it!

I hope you're right on these things, but I question whether #2 will happen. BK kept it fairly 50/50 this season in most games, but I still would prefer to see us run the ball a bit more and dominate the trenches. I too thought that we would rely on our RBs and an experienced OL in 2013 with Tommy behind the center, however we ended up passing the ball more than ever that season...and the passing came out before we even got behind in games.
 

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With our RBs, Oline, WRs, and IF we commit to the run, Koon could be decent at QB for us. Now if we can just get BK to buy nn we will be just fine, doesn't matter who the QB will be

Brian Kelly will not pound the rock. Maybe he'll feel obligated with a 1st year starter.
 

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Brian Kelly will not pound the rock. Maybe he'll feel obligated with a 1st year starter.

Don't think pounding the rock is the answer but I believe a good mix of say 65/35 would be fine. You all know that depends on game situations so it is hard to put into a percentage.
 

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I'll be surprised if Folston doesn't cross the 1,000 yard mark next season.
 

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Don't think pounding the rock is the answer but I believe a good mix of say 65/35 would be fine. You all know that depends on game situations so it is hard to put into a percentage.

65/35 seems a tad extreme IMO. I don't think you need to favor the run as much, but it should be used A LOT more effectively. Use it to setup the pass and to burn clock when needed. We have the skill at the right positions to impose our will on offense against 95% of the teams out there. Kelly isn't stupid. Stubborn, yes, but not stupid. I think we'll see some jaw dropping stuff (in a good way) next season. As always, the real issue will be the D and whether or not BVG puts the team in a position to succeed.
 

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With our RBs, Oline, WRs, and IF we commit to the run, Koon could be decent at QB for us. Now if we can just get BK to buy in we will be just fine, doesn't matter who the QB will be

No he couldn't. He would never get a play off, because he would be standing there, indignant, demanding that Kelly tell him WHY he called that play!
 

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Don't think pounding the rock is the answer but I believe a good mix of say 65/35 would be fine. You all know that depends on game situations so it is hard to put into a percentage.

65% is incredibly run heavy in today's game. Oregon has been at 58% the last couple years, Ohio State 62%, and Auburn nearly 65%.

To even sniff north of 60% we'd need to see an entire year of gameplans using Zaire similarly to the bowl game AND we'd have to dominate to the point where we'd be cruising in the 4th quarter in 9 or 10 games a year.
 
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