Kelly's Comment

[BeauBenken]

Basically, Robinson tweeted to Rudy what Kelly was saying, only used the personal pronoun instead of Kelly's more generic broad brush i.e. "apparently, it's not in my DNA" (or something like that, I don't remember his exact wording.) Other players (both current and former) posted about the work they'd been putting in and were basically saying that it isn't right for Kelly to speak about them like they can't have the right attitude when they've been busting their balls... Manti had my favorite one when he said that he's playing for nobody but his brothers in the locker room. That one pissed a lot of people off.

Again, just like Kelly didn't say anything outrageous, neither did the players. However, the very public nature of their comments and Kelly's has made this thing into a big deal, at least in the minds of us.

THANK YOU.

But Kelly never said that those guys weren't capable of doing it. He just said they haven't been and that eventually they'll break through. He's been sticking up for how good this team can be for the entire season.

Whatever their tweets were in response to can't be what we see in that video. It must be something he said to them in the locker room, or the players just completely misheard or misinterpreted what he said.

I think Kelly is pretty nice to these boys. I know I would have ripped them a new one (more than once) a long, long time ago.

 

[woolybug25]

Basically, Robinson tweeted to Rudy what Kelly was saying, only used the personal pronoun instead of Kelly's more generic broad brush i.e. "apparently, it's not in my DNA" (or something like that, I don't remember his exact wording.) Other players (both current and former) posted about the work they'd been putting in and were basically saying that it isn't right for Kelly to speak about them like they can't have the right attitude when they've been busting their balls... Manti had my favorite one when he said that he's playing for nobody but his brothers in the locker room. That one pissed a lot of people off.

Again, just like Kelly didn't say anything outrageous, neither did the players. However, the very public nature of their comments and Kelly's has made this thing into a big deal, at least in the minds of us.

I'm with HCTI on this. It's sorrier than sh!t if you want players playing for themselves and teammates instead of playing to honor Notre Dame. If you don't get that, then you really just don't understand what Notre Dame football is suppose to be about.

 

[IrishinSyria]

If you rewatch the game, you will notice the actual number of run plays, not end arounds nor swing passes, was 8.

This is true: our two feature backs combined for 9 total carries. 1 of them, presumably, was that fumbled pass. I'm not sure if your discounting other swing type passes or if you forgot to include Hendrix's two designed runs and Theo's end around, but your overall point is valid: we had very very few running plays.

I appreciate the study, but I'm not so sure how valid a point it is in relation to this team. Kids/men "in the field" know they can lose their lives at any time out there. One split second they're here and then they're gone. I get that and appreciate that mentality. That's what has made this country great...It's a team mentality, but on a whole different level than what we're dealing with here.

That said, within the structure of ND football...You're not being shot at. You're not being asked to secure a beach until reinforcements show up. They're being asked to play a game...a game, which based on past recent performances has been taken for granted. There seems to be some type of disconnect and I can't put my finger on it. It's my opinion that folks simply aren't buying in or they simply aren't very good enough. (i.e. Upperclass) Of course, there are exceptions... Te'o has played with passion and courage and I can't figure out why he got a case of the red a$$....hoping it was a bad day. Cierre and Jonas have been fairly consistent with a couple of hiccups. There are others, but to bring it back to your study, you're supposed to be able to, as a "young recruit", to lean on leadership... I haven't seen that. Not in the least. Dayne sits in the background blubbering....Gary Gray has some type of ailment which won't allow him to turn his head 90 degrees... TRob, with all of his whining today may rival Zach Martin as the most inconsistent o-lineman we have currently to date.

I think you get my point here. A unit is only as good as it's leadership....and haven't seen much from the Big Men On Campus....(i.e., the upperclassmen).

Which is what we said last year, and the year before and the year before and the year before all the way to 2005/06 which really, in retrospect, seem to be the exceptions to the rule. Even 2006 was, arguably, a disappointing season. My theory is that the pressures of playing at ND are overwhelming in the age of scrutiny. Players get distracted by it. My point in bringing the Army studies into the discussion was that the deepest and most enduring motivators appear to be a fear of failing your closest friends. In the simplest terms possible, anything that distracts from that is bad. If the players have nothing left to play for but each other, then I see that as a good thing for them and for the team.

 

[N_D_Fighting_Irish]

end arounds are runs. Swing passes go into the passing stats. Like I said........ 14 is still not nearly enough.

No...a swing pass that is a lateral is classified as a run.

In terms of accuracy, my number is more accurate figure than the 14 listed. What is the point of your sophistry?

 

[IrishinSyria]

I'm with HCTI on this. It's sorrier than sh!t if you want players playing for themselves and teammates instead of playing to honor Notre Dame. If you don't get that, then you really just don't understand what Notre Dame football is suppose to be about.

What ND football is about to the fans is very different then what it is to players. By all means, they should take pride in what they do and what they represent, but you have to understand that focusing on that means almost nothing come game day. ND's tradition is abstract. It's made up of people that you've never met and teams you've never played for. If you're a current player, I imagine it also brings the weight of impossible expectations.

The other players in the locker room, on the other hand, are close friends who have sweat and bled and grown with you. You've succeeded together, and you've failed together. They probably know about you than your own family. They've shared the burden of high expectations, as well as the pride that comes from being a Notre Dame man. They're the ones you can look in the eye before you run out that tunnel, and they're the ones who you're going to have to face after the game. If that's all the players are focused on this week, they'll be in good shape. They can enjoy the tradition and the crowd and all that after the game, before and during it they should be focused on each other.

 

[woolybug25]

No...a swing pass that is a lateral is classified as a run.

In terms of accuracy, my number is more accurate figure than the 14 listed. What is the point of your sophistry?

You have 13 total posts and they have all been sh!t. Can you please go post in some of the other threads for a little while? Your credibility needs some serious work. I don't care if you disagree with the majority, debate is always welcome. But you haven't really added anything but hatred and pooh poohing since you joined.

 

[Te'o4Heisman]

You have 13 total posts and they have all been sh!t. Can you please go post in some of the other threads for a little while? Your credibility needs some serious work. I don't care if you disagree with the majority, debate is always welcome. But you haven't really added anything but hatred and pooh poohing since you joined.

Thinking this guy would be a huge hit over in the II free forums were treating 18-22 year old ND football players like men is a completely preposterous idea, and Brian Kelly is the spawn of Satan

 

[kmoose]

No...a swing pass that is a lateral is classified as a run.

In terms of accuracy, my number is more accurate figure than the 14 listed. What is the point of your sophistry?

Swing pass: A short pass to a back running to the outside.

A swing pass is not, by definition, necessarily a lateral.

If anyone is using a subtly deceptive argument, it's you.

I was just pointing out(to someone new to posting here) that most of the posters here prefer to see accurate statistics, when someone makes a point. I'll take the official ND stats(and ESPN, and CNN/SI) over your definition of swing pass, and I think most others here will, as well. I wasn't trying to start an argument with you. But maybe you know you just "spitballed" at how many rushes ND had, and don't want to admit it?

 

[Te'o4Heisman]

Could it be possible that the reason why we are 4-3 is poor coaching? Could it be possible that the players have bought into Kelly's system and it might be the system that needs to be held accountable? Forgive me but did we just run 8 times in the ENTIRE game against USC. Could it be the Kelly doesn't have all the answers...and this underhanded criticism is nothing more than an excuse for his failures as a coach.

It must just be a huge coincidence that these same players sucked under ole' Chuck Weis too.

 

[N_D_Fighting_Irish]

You have 13 total posts and they have all been sh!t. Can you please go post in some of the other threads for a little while? Your credibility needs some serious work. I don't care if you disagree with the majority, debate is always welcome. But you haven't really added anything but hatred and pooh poohing since you joined.

My credibility needs some serious work? Who the f are you to attack me for no reason? What did I say that was out of line. Did I call someone's post sh!t?

Let me clue you in on something, I don't give a f what you care about.

You have the audacity to add "debate is always welcome"...only if it concurs with your opinions....because if you don't like it it is hatred and pooh pooh. What a disgrace.

 

[no.1IrishFan]

I've been at work all day checking in on my phone and by the amount of attention this thread has gotten I had thought BK said something HORRIBLE!!!
Just watched the interview at home and I just have one question......what the heck is the big deal about!?
What did he say that we all didn't already know?

Dear GOD! If some of these players are so soft that they got all butt hurt over his comments, then it just proves EVERYTHING he said was dead on.

 

[HereComeTheIrish]

I've been at work all day checking in on my phone and by the amount of attention this thread has gotten I had thought BK said something HORRIBLE!!!
Just watched the interview at home and I just have one question......what the heck is the big deal about!?
What did he say that we all didn't already know?

Dear GOD! If some of these players are so soft that they got all butt hurt over his comments, then it just proves EVERYTHING he said was dead on.

Yessir...

 

[jmurphy75]

My credibility needs some serious work? Who the f are you to attack me for no reason? What did I say that was out of line. Did I call someone's post sh!t?

Let me clue you in on something, I don't give a f what you care about.

You have the audacity to add "debate is always welcome"...only if it concurs with your opinions....because if you don't like it it is hatred and pooh pooh. What a disgrace.

Dude if you took this as an attack and get so bent out of shape you won't last long here. Better thicken your skin bro......just sayin

 

[N_D_Fighting_Irish]

Swing pass: A short pass to a back running to the outside.

A swing pass is not, by definition, necessarily a lateral.

If anyone is using a subtly deceptive argument, it's you.

I was just pointing out(to someone new to posting here) that most of the posters here prefer to see accurate statistics, when someone makes a point. I'll take the official ND stats(and ESPN, and CNN/SI) over your definition of swing pass, and I think most others here will, as well. I wasn't trying to start an argument with you. But maybe you know you just "spitballed" at how many rushes ND had, and don't want to admit it?

Good god. Please check how ESPN classified the swing pass lateral that was recovered by USC. Forget it...don't. This is insanity. I will move on.

 

[woolybug25]

What ND football is about to the fans is very different then what it is to players. By all means, they should take pride in what they do and what they represent, but you have to understand that focusing on that means almost nothing come game day. ND's tradition is abstract. It's made up of people that you've never met and teams you've never played for. If you're a current player, I imagine it also brings the weight of impossible expectations.

The other players in the locker room, on the other hand, are close friends who have sweat and bled and grown with you. You've succeeded together, and you've failed together. They probably know about you than your own family. They've shared the burden of high expectations, as well as the pride that comes from being a Notre Dame man. They're the ones you can look in the eye before you run out that tunnel, and they're the ones who you're going to have to face after the game. If that's all the players are focused on this week, they'll be in good shape. They can enjoy the tradition and the crowd and all that after the game, before and during it they should be focused on each other.

Really, huh? Seems to me that damn near every recruit we get says they come to Notre Dame for the tradition, to be part of the lore. Past players like Aaron Taylor talk about about leaders needing to step up and make other players accountable for their play, to be part of something special.

Aaron says it well when he said "where are the senior leaders? You are letting US down, let's go!"

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Go ask Ed Reed what he was playing for... he'll tell you he played for the U. Our players haven't played for ND in a long time. They have been too busy playing for themselves and for eachother instead of giving everything they have for the University that is giving them so much.

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Finally, when the Gators lost to Ol Miss, Tebow apologized to his fans. He felt they deserved better. I don't hear any of these kids apologizing to us nor the university. They aren't doing it because they are doing what you like.... playing for themselves.

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[Mr. Larson]

No...a swing pass that is a lateral is classified as a run.

In terms of accuracy, my number is more accurate figure than the 14 listed. What is the point of your sophistry?

Somebody took an etymology class. Good for you.

Now work on your posts...or maybe you can help me with a scoring discrepancy in my fantasy league...

 

[N_D_Fighting_Irish]

Dude if you took this as an attack and get so bent out of shape you won't last long here. Better thicken your skin bro......just sayin

Seriously? He could have easily pointed how off the mark I am with my opinions but he/she/it chose to post that garbage. He is out of line. I may disagree with you but I wouldn't respond with that much disrespect. It frankly is childish.

 

[woolybug25]

My credibility needs some serious work? Who the f are you to attack me for no reason? What did I say that was out of line. Did I call someone's post sh!t?

Let me clue you in on something, I don't give a f what you care about.

You have the audacity to add "debate is always welcome"...only if it concurs with your opinions....because if you don't like it it is hatred and pooh pooh. What a disgrace.

I think your credibility is crap because you haven't made one single good contribution to this site yet. I have read all of your posts and not one of them added anything postive to a conversation. I get in debates daily on this site and I dont always leave the argument agreeing with them, but I usually respect their opinion. Since you have been here all you have done is bag on Kelly, bag on Rees and bag on veteran posters of the site.

I got news for you, I am not asking you to care what I think. I am just telling you what everybody that is reading your posts is thinking. Add something to the site, or go over to NDNation and join their circle-jerk of negativity.

Disgrace??? How in the hell does a guy with less than 20 posts know what is valued here and whats not? Read more and post less newbert.

 

[NDdomer2]

Notre Dame football: Refracting Kelly's vision - southbendtribune.com

Well find out everything we need to know tomorrow at 3:30.

 

[Fbolt]

I didn't realize that post counts and being new to the site mattered so much. Ha! What I love about this site-not.

 

[BGIF]

Gameday captian Chris Salvi speaks at pep rally
Angelo DiCarlo, WNDU.com
10/29/11

A special moment Friday night at the Notre Dame pep rally as Brian Kelly named walk on Chris Salvi as the gameday captain, Salvi is the first walk on to be named a captain since Kelly arrived at Notre Dame.

And the long time Irish fan put things in perspective in a big way Friday night inside Purcell Pavilion as the Irish get set to face Navy Saturday afternoon.

Chris Salvi, gameday captain, speaks about what this means to him, “Ever since I was a kid I was watching Notre Dame football I loved it for something like this to happen it's a dream come true.
You see our mascot and he's always got a fist ready to fight, ready to fight the Fighting Irish. That’s who we are. Some adversity has hit our team over the last week and what happens the fist comes apart and becomes weak. Adversity hits people and people from the outside want to take you apart. It’s like this you cant fight like this so what we've done is close that fist. Coach Kelly has closed that fist. These players have closed this fist. We are ready to fight. And we are gonna knock out the shipmen.

Salvi is from Chicago and went to the same high school as Declan Sullivan.

... Adversity hits people and people from the outside want to take you apart. ...

Particularly those on the outside with an axe to grind.

 

[Fbolt]

Notre Dame football: Brian Kelly apologizes after uproar - chicagotribune.com

Light blue sweater?

We shall see the effect against Navy.

 

[phgreek]

I heard what Kelly said...My takeaway(s).

this is yet another refrain of the parcells Mantra..."Don't be that guy". What that means is...don't be the guy that screws it up...don't be the guy that isn't prepared. Too Many upperclassmen are "that guy". Kelly is doing two things 1) creating an environment of constant pressure which appears to be the only way these guys will focus...by him dogging them and calling them out, he is telling the older guys to cut the crap, and play consistent football...quilt wilting like a damned lilly and go take care of business...when you know the man will hound your ***...you might be conscious of not screwing up. 2) he is also saying to the young bucks...I know you aren't that guy, because I picked you. He has got to break the chain of failure...he has got to get the young guys to become leaders w/o the luxury of having examples ala what Aaron taylor was talking about...it starts with separating them mentally from the older guys who carry the culture of crumbling.

I'd say he did what he had to do...and if anybody thinks what he did was an accident...think again! He doesn't love these guys any less than he did in August, but he knows their ways are exactly what he has to drive out if he wants this program to finally turn the corner...and if any of them want to get rid of the cloud over their heads...they should not look for reasons to be hurt...but reasons to quit stepping on their dicks.

 

[Te'o4Heisman]

I heard what Kelly said...My takeaway(s).

this is yet another refrain of the parcells Mantra..."Don't be that guy". What that means is...don't be the guy that screws it up...don't be the guy that isn't prepared. Too Many upperclassmen are "that guy". Kelly is doing two things 1) creating an environment of constant pressure which appears to be the only way these guys will focus...by him dogging them and calling them out, he is telling the older guys to cut the crap, and play consistent football...quilt wilting like a damned lilly and go take care of business...when you know the man will hound your ***...you might be conscious of not screwing up. 2) he is also saying to the young bucks...I know you aren't that guy, because I picked you. He has got to break the chain of failure...he has got to get the young guys to become leaders w/o the luxury of having examples ala what Aaron taylor was talking about...it starts with separating them mentally from the older guys who carry the culture of crumbling.

I'd say he did what he had to do...and if anybody thinks what he did was an accident...think again! He doesn't love these guys any less than he did in August, but he knows their ways are exactly what he has to drive out if he wants this program to finally turn the corner...and if any of them want to get rid of the cloud over their heads...they should not look for reasons to be hurt...but reasons to quit stepping on their dicks.

If any of the guys on this team can step on their dicks, theyre in the wrong line of work playing football...

 

[Old Man Mike]

If I was Coach, I'd name Salvi and all the playing seniors game captains. Let them walk out there for the coin toss and see if the enormity of their responsibility to the team hits them. This means leaving Te'o and Wood out of this. Let them huddle before and after the coin toss and look each other in the eyes.

 

[ShamrockOnHelmet]

Notre Dame football: Refracting Kelly's vision - southbendtribune.com

Makes you wonder why anybody would even want this job...

 

[Anchorman]

Notre Dame football: Refracting Kelly's vision - southbendtribune.com

Makes you wonder why anybody would even want this job...

Word on the street is that it pays above minimum wage.

 

[sonofdomer32]

The reaction by some of the players to subtle criticism shows a lack of mental toughness on the part of some of the players. We have physical players. But it is the mental aspect of the game which is the difference between a 4-3 team and a 6-1 or 7-0 team with talented athletes. All the turnovers this year point to this. If certain players don't like criticism, just wait until they get into the real world!!

 

[Whiskeyjack]

According to this article by Brian Hamilton, Kelly apologized to the upperclassmen for his comment

In fact, in a revealing departure from standard procedure during the Friday team meeting, some Irish players stood up to address Kelly and everyone present in what essentially was a clear-the-air effort, according to a source. Kelly's apology was deemed "sincere" by another source.

 

[anarin]

Then, there was a time, the former staff member said, when star quarterback Jimmy Clausen suffered an ankle injury during a game. Trainers so heavily taped his foot, tape covered part of the adidas logo on the shoe.


An adidas official, the source said, asked that tape be altered to show the logo. When Weis protested, an ND administrator sided with adidas

wow..