Superconferences & Realignment

[forkbeard3777]

I think the SEC would take ND if there was interest. There is not. ND should join the best football conference there is (SEC) and be done with this pseudo independence with the ACC.

ND would get a huge bump in recruiting.

I think any conference (SEC, B1G, Big 12, ACC, MAC, the SWAC) would take ND. They are the sole university out there imo that isn’t in or will be in the SEC or B1G of extreme value.

 

[IRISHDODGER]

 

[ulukinatme]

He raises some good points. Most college football games are on Saturdays, so while travel across the country is a bit rough distance wise it can also be done relatively easy when it comes to classroom disruption. Plus, most teams are only traveling for 5-6 Away games a season and maybe 1 bowl. It's a lot different for Basketball, Baseball, etc.

 

[calvegas04]

Tennis, golf, swimming, track, basketball, soccer, baseball, softball, lacrosse, field hockey, wrestling, gaming? are all going to suffer and possibly go away.

 

[NorthDakota]

Tennis, golf, swimming, track, basketball, soccer, baseball, softball, lacrosse, field hockey, wrestling, gaming? are all going to suffer and possibly go away.

Title IX I would think keeps things in order. The P5 schools doing these absurd conferences will be able to afford extravagant expenses anyway.

The G5 and FCS conferences are probably gonna remain more common sense in terms of the geographic considerations I would think.

 

[Bishop2b5]

Here is a ranking of my sports consumption:

1) ND Football
2) NCAA Football
3) ND Hoops
4) Colts
5) White Sox (if the product is worth it)
6) NCAA Basketball
7) NFL
8) Golf
9) NCAA Baseball
10) Indy 500
11) MLB Playoffs

I can’t tell you the last time I watched an NBA game. I was a Pacers fan in the Reggie days, but just really can’t stomach the NBA anymore. Might flip onto the Finals if it’s all that’s on. Not a hockey guy. Used to watch NASCAR pretty regularly, but all the names I enjoyed have retired.

You left nude midget jello wrestling off your list? Uncultured homo savage!

 

[stlnd01]

Title IX I would think keeps things in order. The P5 schools doing these absurd conferences will be able to afford extravagant expenses anyway.

The G5 and FCS conferences are probably gonna remain more common sense in terms of the geographic considerations I would think.

Title IX will help protect scholarships for women's sports, sure, but he's really talking about travel schedules. And when push comes to shove, do you really think the money from, say, Arizona's new Big 12 TV contract is going to be spent flying their softball team to West Virginia on a charter instead of commercial?
It won't. It'll go to back into football (and administrators) because that's where it came from.

 

[MacIrish75]

You left nude midget jello wrestling off your list? Uncultured homo savage!

That is reserved for when ESPN goes to The Ocho for a week. Right after the water skiing squirrel.

 

[Irishdrunk]

But ND is centrally located. The SEC isn’t that much further than ACC schools. It’s the west coast teams joining that is a bit messy.

 

[drayer54]

But ND is centrally located. The SEC isn’t that much further than ACC schools. It’s the west coast teams joining that is a bit messy.

BIG would offer a west coast team we play every year anyways. BIG is whole lot less mileage for every other sport.

 

[TNUtoNotreDame]

BIG would offer a west coast team we play every year anyways. BIG is whole lot less mileage for every other spsport.

I used to indy or bust, but this whole quasi-indy has really soured me on it. What are we fighting to keep? 4 games that we can choose? It ain't worth the cost to me.

 

[IrishLax]

Yeah sorry guys but we already had to travel a bunch without conference realignment. In lacrosse we had games against Denver, Air Force, etc. in our conference in the regular season. Our closest in-conference opponent was Ohio State, being 4+ hours on the bus — and to be very clear, we were in the *REGIONAL* Great Western Lacrosse League. This was all before conference realignment got going.

ASU softball player complaining about “mental health” when there is effectively no travel difference (in fact it might be better!) to at least half of the Big 12. Give me a fucking break. You already had to fly to half of the PAC12. Now you have to fly to a third of the Big 12. It’s just a joke. These people are totally unserious.

 

[NDRock]

Yeah sorry guys but we already had to travel a bunch without conference realignment. In lacrosse we had games against Denver, Air Force, etc. in our conference in the regular season. Our closest in-conference opponent was Ohio State, being 4+ hours on the bus — and to be very clear, we were in the *REGIONAL* Great Western Lacrosse League. This was all before conference realignment got going.

ASU softball player complaining about “mental health” when there is effectively no travel difference (in fact it might be better!) to at least half of the Big 12. Give me a fucking break. You already had to fly to half of the PAC12. Now you have to fly to a third of the Big 12. It’s just a joke. These people are totally unserious.

Citing “mental health” has taken over from “think of the children”. You argue with it and you’re an asshole.

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

Really hate to see college ball crumbling and turning into the NFL. In a few years it will be two huge conferences with a 12 team playoff. Makes me miss the BCS days.

 

[stlnd01]

But ND is centrally located. The SEC isn’t that much further than ACC schools. It’s the west coast teams joining that is a bit messy.

Probably the B1G sets up divisions to minimize travel for their Olympic sports in the regular season and there's some sort of west coast pod. Might suck for Nebraska or whatever current team(s) get pulled into that, but to Lax's point, Notre Dame used to share a hockey conference with Alaska-Anchorage. Talk about travel.

As for football, another argument against the SEC is that - unlike the new B1G - it is still a regional conference. And in the region of the country where Notre Dame probably has the smallest share of fans/alums who live there. The current ACC gets us playing teams in the Northeast. The new B1G, especially if it added a couple more ACC teams, spans the continent. Yes joining the SEC would put us in some good recruiting territory, but it's also important to play where your fans are.

 

[FWIrish4]

I'd rather play in the BIG outside of football. Boo me.

Playing Purdue, IU X 3, Northwestern, MSU, OSU is nice. It's not just football and I hate the South in September.

Yeah sorry guys but we already had to travel a bunch without conference realignment. In lacrosse we had games against Denver, Air Force, etc. in our conference in the regular season. Our closest in-conference opponent was Ohio State, being 4+ hours on the bus — and to be very clear, we were in the *REGIONAL* Great Western Lacrosse League. This was all before conference realignment got going.

ASU softball player complaining about “mental health” when there is effectively no travel difference (in fact it might be better!) to at least half of the Big 12. Give me a fucking break. You already had to fly to half of the PAC12. Now you have to fly to a third of the Big 12. It’s just a joke. These people are totally unserious.

+1 Lax.

Try 14 hour bus rides to North Dakota State to play baseball in the 30 degree spring weather. Get home at 7 am Monday morning and walk your happy ass to 8 am class.

Our closest conference game was a 6 hour bus ride to Western Illinois. They’ll survive, it builds character and incredible time management.

Also, you can now transfer without sitting. If you think your life will be that miserable then just transfer and stop complaining.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

He's not bullshitting. I would not have cited mental health as one of my talking points here, but everything else he's getting at is the part no one is really talking about.

That being said, he coaches an SEC program that was in the Big 12 not much more than ten years ago.

 

[Terry Jillery]

I feel bad for every athlete that plays basketball, soccer, baseball, softball, volleyball, swimming, and anything else besides football on Saturdays. For example, who wants to fly from Rutgers to LA on a Tuesday for a 1 hour volleyball match when they have school work?. Then turn around and do it on Thursday in Oregon. Money hungry peices of shit.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

I feel bad for every athlete that plays basketball, soccer, baseball, softball, volleyball, swimming, and anything else besides football on Saturdays. For example, who wants to fly from Rutgers to LA on a Tuesday for a 1 hour volleyball match when they have school work?. Then turn around and do it on Thursday in Oregon. Money hungry peices of shit.

Education and logistics have long been forgotten. It's not like they care about the football players either for that matter.

 

[Blazers46]

I feel bad for every athlete that plays basketball, soccer, baseball, softball, volleyball, swimming, and anything else besides football on Saturdays. For example, who wants to fly from Rutgers to LA on a Tuesday for a 1 hour volleyball match when they have school work?. Then turn around and do it on Thursday in Oregon. Money hungry peices of shit.

Curious if they will accommodate and have basketball stay in certain areas and play a few before heading all the way back. Hate to get rid the 1 and 1 home/always but if Oregon travels across country to play IU they might as well play back to backs. Although it’s easier to play IU then Purdue then maybe Columbus with one flight then it would be to travel to Oregon then all the other west coast teams.

 

[Blazers46]

Education and logistics have long been forgotten. It's not like they care about the football players either for that matter.

If student athletes weren’t using laptops as classrooms before they most certainly will now.

 

[Terry Jillery]

There is one simple solution to all of this if you’re an elite recruit that doesn’t want to put up with this bs. Go to Notre Dame!!

 

[TorontoGold]

I feel bad for every athlete that plays basketball, soccer, baseball, softball, volleyball, swimming, and anything else besides football on Saturdays. For example, who wants to fly from Rutgers to LA on a Tuesday for a 1 hour volleyball match when they have school work?. Then turn around and do it on Thursday in Oregon. Money hungry peices of shit.

TBH one of the best parts of high level sports was the travel component. Hanging out with your friends and coaches in different towns was a blast. Kind of like living in a dated dorm, you made the best of a tough situation and got through it with your best friends.

All depends on perspective too though, with consoles being more portable now I imagine players can through the Xbox/PS5 in the bag to bring with them. Probably travels better than bringing the N64 to play Golden Eye/Smash/Mario Kart.

 

[Terry Jillery]

TBH one of the best parts of high level sports was the travel component. Hanging out with your friends and coaches in different towns was a blast. Kind of like living in a dated dorm, you made the best of a tough situation and got through it with your best friends.

All depends on perspective too though, with consoles being more portable now I imagine players can through the Xbox/PS5 in the bag to bring with them. Probably travels better than bringing the N64 to play Golden Eye/Smash/Mario Kart.

True. I agree. I loved it too. It will be interesting to me to see if the extended travel will take a toll at all on football teams (certainly might on the other athletes) in the B1G as the season progresses. Notre Dame stays fairly regional besides the first and last games of the season. While not all people are the same, I could never sleep on a plane, no matter how long the flight. Just can’t do it sitting upright. Need a bed. If I were traveling red eyes across the country post game I’d be exhausted for a day or two afterwards, would be sluggish in the film room, dog crap at Mondays practice. I could handle it once or twice a season but not sure I could handle it if I were doing it once every other week. My performance would slightly decline at least. Football players will likely be fine overall.

 

[Irish#1]

Florida St is taking a lot of heat from its fellow ACC members. Aug 15 is the deadline for schools to notify the ACC they are leaving so if FSU or any other are going to make a move, it should happen within the next seven days.

A number of administrators from other ACC schools questioned why Florida State felt it deserved a larger revenue share, considering its football program has not won an ACC championship or been in the College Football Playoff since 2014. Florida State has presented numbers that show they bring 15% of the value to the TV deal but get 7% of the revenue. Currently, each ACC school shares that equally.

 

[Irish#1]

Curious if they will accommodate and have basketball stay in certain areas and play a few before heading all the way back. Hate to get rid the 1 and 1 home/always but if Oregon travels across country to play IU they might as well play back to backs. Although it’s easier to play IU then Purdue then maybe Columbus with one flight then it would be to travel to Oregon then all the other west coast teams.

Given they play during the week and weekend, I would have to think teams will stay in the area. Oregon could play IU during the week and Purdue, Illinois or OSU on the weekend. The longest bus ride would be about 2 1/2 hours. Going west would require plane rides between games. Maybe teams (M&W volleyball, baseball & softball, etc.) from non-revenue sports travel together?

 

[drayer54]

 

[Huntr]

Here's a bunch of shit that is irrelevant to the subject of discussion.

Common Fortuna angle

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

Given they play during the week and weekend, I would have to think teams will stay in the area. Oregon could play IU during the week and Purdue, Illinois or OSU on the weekend. The longest bus ride would be about 2 1/2 hours. Going west would require plane rides between games. Maybe teams (M&W volleyball, baseball & softball, etc.) from non-revenue sports travel together?

How many classes are being missed in the end?

 

[NDohio]

Can't remember where I heard/read this, but Oregon State is doing a compete rebuild of their football stadium. The funding for that stadium was approved based on future income form the next PAC12 TV contract. At this point Oregon State may not end up being a part of a P5 conference. That's a massive financial mistake.