Superconferences & Realignment

[Blazers46]

How many classes are being missed in the end?

In person or online? I’m curious what the current number is of athletes that go in person v online as it stands now.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

My assumption is that the remaining four Pac 12 schools are going to have to call the ACC at this point and beg to come in?

 

[Huntr]

My assumption is that the remaining four Pac 12 schools are going to have to call the ACC at this point and beg to come in?

I'd think the ACC might be wary of that, because 1) those 4 schools aren't moving the needle with media execs and 2) FSU and Clemson would leave as soon as the current deal was broken.

I could be wrong, but my bet is the MWC schools (or most of them) join the PAC and the conference fades to G5-dom.

 

[Huntr]

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

I'd think the ACC might be wary of that, because 1) those 4 schools aren't moving the needle with media execs and 2) FSU and Clemson would leave as soon as the current deal was broken.

I could be wrong, but my bet is the MWC schools (or most of them) join the PAC and the conference fades to G5-dom.

I have thought that there is really no other option here. Wouldn't the MWC hold the leverage though?

I am not willing to count out Stanford and Cal to the Big Ten just yet.

 

[stlnd01]

I'd think the ACC might be wary of that, because 1) those 4 schools aren't moving the needle with media execs and 2) FSU and Clemson would leave as soon as the current deal was broken.

I could be wrong, but my bet is the MWC schools (or most of them) join the PAC and the conference fades to G5-dom.

Agree about the ACC. That feels like a non-starter. They'd have to rename the damn conference and the last thing FSU and Clemson want is to further split their TV money. And the travel...

If a conference with Oregon, Washington, Utah and the Arizona schools could only get a $23M TV deal, what does a conference with Fresno, San Diego State and Boise State get?

I think Oregon State and Washington State merge in with the MWC, whatever it winds up being called. Stanford could maybe hack it as an independent for a little while (they also have their extensive Olympic sports programs to consider) but I'd bet eventually the Tree joins either the B1G or the Big 16 or whatever it'll be now. Cal probably follows suit. Cal doesn't bring much to the table in football but it is the flagship university of an enormous state. Someone will want them.

 

[ShamrockOnHelmet]

That’s great, but if no one is a fan of that shit, then who cares, and why should I?

 

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

That’s great, but if no one is a fan of that shit, then who cares, and why should I?

It underscores the fact that college athletics are increasingly at the expense of academics.

 

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

Agree about the ACC. That feels like a non-starter. They'd have to rename the damn conference and the last thing FSU and Clemson want is to further split their TV money. And the travel...

If a conference with Oregon, Washington, Utah and the Arizona schools could only get a $23M TV deal, what does a conference with Fresno, San Diego State and Boise State get?

I think Oregon State and Washington State merge in with the MWC, whatever it winds up being called. Stanford could maybe hack it as an independent for a little while (they also have their extensive Olympic sports programs to consider) but I'd bet eventually the Tree joins either the B1G or the Big 16 or whatever it'll be now. Cal probably follows suit. Cal doesn't bring much to the table in football but it is the flagship university of an enormous state. Someone will want them.

If the ACC is to survive they will probably need to renegotiate that media deal. ESPN may be amenable to a somewhat less favorable deal if they think the conference is in danger of blowing up. Perhaps the added inventory of the bottom half of a P5 conference can change the math enough to make everyone happy.

 

[Ndaccountant]

It underscores the fact that college athletics are increasingly in opposition to academics.

I would characterize it that football revenue is trumping any and all other considerations. I don't see anything in the Olympic sports that holds a candle to what is happening in the whoring out for football media millions.

 

[forkbeard3777]

If the ACC is to survive they will probably need to renegotiate that media deal. ESPN may be amenable to a somewhat less favorable deal if they think the conference is in danger of blowing up. Perhaps the added inventory of the bottom half of a P5 conference can change the math enough to make everyone happy.

I'm in no way, shape or form implying that they should do this; in fact, I think it would be a poor move, but Notre Dame can single-handedly save the ACC by joining as a full member.

They could also join in and grab both Stanford and Cal as well (obviously, you'd have to rebrand from the "Atlantic Coastal" moniker), and, outside of the Ivy League, you'd have the strongest conference* in terms of academics:

Stanford
Duke
Notre Dame
Cal
Virginia
Georgia Tech
Boston College
North Carolina
Wake Forest

* I'd even look into the Service Academies - at least Navy and Army.

 

[NDdomer2]

That is reserved for when ESPN goes to The Ocho for a week. Right after the water skiing squirrel.

im pretty sure you can get the ocho year round now on the app.

They have some incredible stuff on their. Slippery Stairs, FlingGolf, Tractor Pull, Microsoft Excel

 

[Huntr]

I'm in no way, shape or form implying that they should do this; in fact, I think it would be a poor move, but Notre Dame can single-handedly save the ACC by joining as a full member.

They could also join in and grab both Stanford and Cal as well (obviously, you'd have to rebrand from the "Atlantic Coastal" moniker), and, outside of the Ivy League, you'd have the strongest conference* in terms of academics:

Stanford
Duke
Notre Dame
Cal
Virginia
Georgia Tech
Boston College
North Carolina
Wake Forest

* I'd even look into the Service Academies - at least Navy and Army.

That conference would be worth jack shit in media rights, though.

 

[stlnd01]

I'm in no way, shape or form implying that they should do this; in fact, I think it would be a poor move, but Notre Dame can single-handedly save the ACC by joining as a full member.

They could also join in and grab both Stanford and Cal as well (obviously, you'd have to rebrand from the "Atlantic Coastal" moniker), and, outside of the Ivy League, you'd have the strongest conference* in terms of academics:

Stanford
Duke
Notre Dame
Cal
Virginia
Georgia Tech
Boston College
North Carolina
Wake Forest

* I'd even look into the Service Academies - at least Navy and Army.

Like you said, it would be a poor move.

 

[yankeehater]

This sucks.

College football is on track to becoming a steaming pile of shit.

Sadly, it will take down all the other sports with it.

 

[forkbeard3777]

Like you said, it would be a poor move.

It would be a poor move for Notre Dame. I'm just saying that Notre Dame has the clout to single-handedly calm the ACC's turbulent waters and essentially save the conference.

A football conference comprised of Notre Dame, Clemson, Florida State, Miami and Virginia Tech (even though the latter two have fallen on hard times) is "good enough" to survive on its own.

 

[yankeehater]

I have thought that there is really no other option here. Wouldn't the MWC hold the leverage though?

I am not willing to count out Stanford and Cal to the Big Ten just yet.

If the Mtn West joined with the four remaining Pac schools, then added Gonzaga and St. Mary's for hoops it would be on par with the Big 12. The Big 12 is not impressive to me and would be a major step below the SEC and BIG.

 

[NDohio]

If the Mtn West joined with the four remaining Pac schools, then added Gonzaga and St. Mary's for hoops it would be on par with the Big 12. The Big 12 is not impressive to me and would be a major step below the SEC and BIG.

There is definitely a gap from SEC and B1G to the Big 12, but they are way ahead of the Mountain West.

BIG 12
Arizona
Arizona State
Baylor
BYU
Central Florida
Cincinnati
Colorado
Houston
Iowa State
Kansas
Kansas State
Oklahoma State
TCU
Texas Tech
Utah
West Virginia

Mountain West
Air Force
Boise State
California
Colorado State
Fresno State
Gonzaga
Hawaii
Oregon State
Nevada
New Mexico
Saint Mary's
San Diego State
San Jose' State
Stanford
UNLV
Utah State
Washington State
Wyoming

I don't see those two leagues being comparable.

 

[ulukinatme]

Big Game Boomer got something right for once.

 

[yankeehater]

There is definitely a gap from SEC and B1G to the Big 12, but they are way ahead of the Mountain West.

BIG 12
Arizona
Arizona State
Baylor
BYU
Central Florida
Cincinnati
Colorado
Houston
Iowa State
Kansas
Kansas State
Oklahoma State
TCU
Texas Tech
Utah
West Virginia

Mountain West
Air Force
Boise State
California
Colorado State
Fresno State
Gonzaga
Hawaii
Oregon State
Nevada
New Mexico
Saint Mary's
San Diego State
San Jose' State
Stanford
UNLV
Utah State
Washington State
Wyoming

I don't see those two leagues being comparable.

Most of those schools were the doormats of their conferences. Once you removed USC and UCLA the Pac basically became the Mtn West. They regularly lost to Mtn West schools. Living on the West Coast none of those schools move the needle and will not draw TV ratings.

 

[NDWarrior]

I'm in no way, shape or form implying that they should do this; in fact, I think it would be a poor move, but Notre Dame can single-handedly save the ACC by joining as a full member.

They could also join in and grab both Stanford and Cal as well (obviously, you'd have to rebrand from the "Atlantic Coastal" moniker), and, outside of the Ivy League, you'd have the strongest conference* in terms of academics:

Stanford
Duke
Notre Dame
Cal
Virginia
Georgia Tech
Boston College
North Carolina
Wake Forest

* I'd even look into the Service Academies - at least Navy and Army.

How about the Bi-Coastal Conference (BCC)?

 

[NDWarrior]

This could be what happens in this crazy situation for all non-CFB NCAA sports... It Took Rick Pitino About 15 Seconds To Solve The Conference Realignment Issue With One Tweet

 

[ulukinatme]

Tennis, golf, swimming, track, basketball, soccer, baseball, softball, lacrosse, field hockey, wrestling, gaming? are all going to suffer and possibly go away.

Some sports probably will suffer, but I expect football programs will also help foot the bill for some sports too. Smaller programs with less revenue will probably be stuck.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

If the Mtn West joined with the four remaining Pac schools, then added Gonzaga and St. Mary's for hoops it would be on par with the Big 12. The Big 12 is not impressive to me and would be a major step below the SEC and BIG.

I mean, for whatever it's worth, none of this is really impressive to me.

 

[Irish#1]

How many classes are being missed in the end?

You'll have to ask someone smarter then me for a specific answer, but given so much can be done online, the impact may not be too great?

 

[NDWarrior]

This is what ND is all about (I know there is the counter argument that ND is stuck in the past and its tradition, but this is probably like 95% of why I love and follow ND (as imperfect as it is): In The End, Notre Dame Is The Only Major Football Institution With Any Integrity

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

You'll have to ask someone smarter then me for a specific answer, but given so much can be done online, the impact may not be too great?

So these students would be expected to travel, compete and do coursework while online?

 

[tussin]

There is definitely a gap from SEC and B1G to the Big 12, but they are way ahead of the Mountain West.

BIG 12
Arizona
Arizona State
Baylor
BYU
Central Florida
Cincinnati
Colorado
Houston
Iowa State
Kansas
Kansas State
Oklahoma State
TCU
Texas Tech
Utah
West Virginia

Mountain West
Air Force
Boise State
California
Colorado State
Fresno State
Gonzaga
Hawaii
Oregon State
Nevada
New Mexico
Saint Mary's
San Diego State
San Jose' State
Stanford
UNLV
Utah State
Washington State
Wyoming

I don't see those two leagues being comparable.

I will eat my shoe if Stanford joins the MWC. Those ass-sniffers wouldn't be caught dead in the same conference as Colorado State and Boise.

 

[Irish#1]

I'm in no way, shape or form implying that they should do this; in fact, I think it would be a poor move, but Notre Dame can single-handedly save the ACC by joining as a full member.

They could also join in and grab both Stanford and Cal as well (obviously, you'd have to rebrand from the "Atlantic Coastal" moniker), and, outside of the Ivy League, you'd have the strongest conference* in terms of academics:

Stanford
Duke
Notre Dame
Cal
Virginia
Georgia Tech
Boston College
North Carolina
Wake Forest

* I'd even look into the Service Academies - at least Navy and Army.

What the hell do you have against the Air Force?

 

[Irish#1]

If the ACC is to survive they will probably need to renegotiate that media deal. ESPN may be amenable to a somewhat less favorable deal if they think the conference is in danger of blowing up. Perhaps the added inventory of the bottom half of a P5 conference can change the math enough to make everyone happy.

FSU is throwing a hissy fit as it is and ESPN is in cost cutting mode right now. Not sure they have much to add to the pot.