'21 CA QB Tyler Buchner (ND FB -> Bama FB -> ND LAX???)

[NorthDakota]

Would someone who’s graduating sign up for classes only to drop them? I’m asking but it doesn’t seem like it.

Who said he was dropping classes? Maybe he's not graduating. Who knows

 

[Free Manera]

I want ND to succeed badly. But you can't lose #2 QB and #2 RB in same week without understanding why. Stating this doesn't make me or any other poster a so-called Troll.

The why is the #2 QB lost his starting job and it would be an open QB competition the following season, which he is frankly unlikely to win. The #2 RB never felt comfortable at ND and nearly transferred several times. It was just a matter of time with him. Estime is going to be the workhorse and Diggs probably wants to audition for the NFL and go pro after this season. That's it, that's the why.

 

[forkbeard3777]

I want ND to succeed badly. But you can't lose #2 QB and #2 RB in same week without understanding why. Stating this doesn't make me or any other poster a so-called Troll.

I've said it until I've been blue in the face, other than a depth perspective, losing Buchner isn't a big deal...at all. He isn't any good. I don't understand his decision to transfer from his perspective because, as it currently stands, he'd be slated to be the starter next season and possibly the following. Alternatively, he isn't guaranteed to start at Alabama, but he'll at least be in the mix - something he isn't in contention for this season at Notre Dame (I honestly think it'll be a quarterback carousel at Alabama this year).

It's a risk though. If he loses out on the "starting role" and/or gets surpassed up by Simpson/Milroe/or a couple of their true freshman - he's essentially done for. What are you going to do at that point? Transfer to your third school? You might as well hang up the cleats and shoulder pads at that point.

ETA: Losing Diggs hurts. He's a productive player that averages approximately 5 yd a clip. That said, I think it was a bad fit from the get go, and he wants to be closer to home (assuming he transfers to LSU). Can't fault a kid for that. Hopefully Jeremiyah Love is physically ready to go.

 

[SeekNDestroy]

Who said he was dropping classes? Maybe he's not graduating. Who knows

Fellow students.

 

[Irishdrunk]

Both waited until after spring ball was complete. You're over thinking this.

Perhaps. Fair observation.

 

[NDisme]

I could be wrong but I don’t really know of any top program who has a veteran starter backup. And calling Buchner a veteran is a huge stretch. In this day if a highly rated guy gets beat out normally they will leave. Most programs have either unproven starters at QB or unproven depth. That is just the way it is.

 

[ACamp1900]

This by Sampson must've been posted before Buchner announced for Bama. But it includes this head-spinning nugget, which I suppose remains a viable option...

Notre Dame football spring review: 12 thoughts on the Fighting Irish

Notre Dame exits spring practice in a stronger position than it entered it, even with the departing transfers following the Blue-Gold Game.

theathletic.com

"Then again, Buchner could also head elsewhere this year, then return to Notre Dame next spring just the same. There’s an argument that might actually be the shrewdest of shrewd moves."

It'll be such total pownage of Saban when he returns to ND next season after winning a natty, becoming an All-American and being a Heisman finalist,.... Saban,....

 

[NDisme]

Honestly if we stay healthy at QB, RB and WR then losing Buchner, Styles and Diggs wont have an impact at all (This year, 2024 is another story). We have very high talent in all three groups.

If we have injuries at any of those positions, which realistically will happen, we are going to be hurting from a numbers standpoint.

A guy like Jeremiah Love should not redshirt, this gives him a path for early touches with Estime being the workhorse and the way Payne’s spring has gone he should get his.

 

[dad4aa]

Although it would still hurt, I think we can handle an injury at WR or RB. No way we can handle it at QB.

 

[Irishdrunk]

You forgot Jadarian Price too! and They will probably give Tyree some carries too. We really have a solid group of backs

How do any of you know how good Love and Price are until they actually play? This is what this staff is in the position to decide. If they redshirt Love its because they think otherwise. If they move Tyree over to slot and let Estime and Diggs carry the load, its because they think that is best. Diggs was viewed as #2 Back because that is what the staff decided - especially in moving Tyree to slot.

 

[NDisme]

How do any of you know how good Love and Price are until they actually play? This is what this staff is in the position to decide. If they redshirt Love its because they think otherwise. If they move Tyree over to slot and let Estime and Diggs carry the load, it’s because they think that is best. Diggs was viewed as #2 Back because that is what the staff decided - especially in moving Tyree to slot.

We don’t know, it’s a projection based on film, measurables etc. but this is college ball, you have a short period of time with these guys and RBs especially should have a short time if they are good enough. RB is a position that a freshman should be able to come in and make an impact. Would I rather have Diggs? Of course but he didnt want to share the load and was always on unsteady ground being at ND. Based on what I know and saw from Price coming out of HS and Love I am excited for those guys to get a shot. The point is, would I prefer for Diggs to stay? Yes. But there is talent and potential behind him. college is all about potential and projection, then burst onto the scene

 

[forkbeard3777]

Both waited until after spring ball was complete. You're over thinking this.

Don't you find that a little odd? Admittedly, I don't fully understand the mechanics of the transfer portal, when it is open/closed, and such, but when Hartman signed on in January, barring injury, he was going to be the starter. There was never a "quarterback competition." If you think differently, I've got some oceanfront property in Arizona I'd like to sell to you.

In regard to Diggs, he was supposedly cold on Notre Dame or South Bend for a while and/or wanted to be the feature back. It is fairly apparent to all that he was never going to surpass Estime and solely be "the guy." They were always going to be a tandem.

So, wouldn't you want to jump ship early, and get a spring practice under your belt at your new university? Especially Buchner...there is so much to grasp learning a new offense, getting in rhythm with your wide receivers, working with your center and offensive line, and gaining a solid, respected rapport with your team. You're now attempting to be the leader. At running back, the transition is a lot smoother and you can plug Diggs in essentially immediately and he can play. But Buchner, by waiting so long, he kind of put himself behind the 8-ball.

 

[stlnd01]

Don't you find that a little odd? Admittedly, I don't fully understand the mechanics of the transfer portal, when it is open/closed, and such, but when Hartman signed on in January, barring injury, he was going to be the starter. There was never a "quarterback competition." If you think differently, I've got some oceanfront property in Arizona I'd like to sell to you.

In regard to Diggs, he was supposedly cold on Notre Dame or South Bend for a while and/or wanted to be the feature back. It is fairly apparent to all that he was never going to surpass Estime and solely be "the guy." They were always going to be a tandem.

So, wouldn't you want to jump ship early, and get a spring practice under your belt at your new university? Especially Buchner...there is so much to grasp learning a new offense, getting in rhythm with your wide receivers, working with your center and offensive line, and gaining a solid, respected rapport with your team. You're now attempting to be the leader. At running back, the transition is a lot smoother and you can plug Diggs in essentially immediately and he can play. But Buchner, by waiting so long, he kind of put himself behind the 8-ball.

Completely agree, which is why I think this has more to do with the OCs than it does with sitting behind Hartman. Rees was still here during the first portal window. Now it's Parker/Guidugli and Rees is shopping for a QB at Bama. That's what changed for Buchner.

 

[BleedBlueGold]

Don't you find that a little odd? Admittedly, I don't fully understand the mechanics of the transfer portal, when it is open/closed, and such, but when Hartman signed on in January, barring injury, he was going to be the starter. There was never a "quarterback competition." If you think differently, I've got some oceanfront property in Arizona I'd like to sell to you.

In regard to Diggs, he was supposedly cold on Notre Dame or South Bend for a while and/or wanted to be the feature back. It is fairly apparent to all that he was never going to surpass Estime and solely be "the guy." They were always going to be a tandem.

So, wouldn't you want to jump ship early, and get a spring practice under your belt at your new university? Especially Buchner...there is so much to grasp learning a new offense, getting in rhythm with your wide receivers, working with your center and offensive line, and gaining a solid, respected rapport with your team. You're now attempting to be the leader. At running back, the transition is a lot smoother and you can plug Diggs in essentially immediately and he can play. But Buchner, by waiting so long, he kind of put himself behind the 8-ball.

I'd probably jump ship before Spring too, but that's me. I can't get inside the head of a young collegiate athlete who's probably extremely torn. I'd be willing to bet that both TB and LD wanted to stay at ND in some capacity, but when your heart strings and your head strings don't align, you just gotta pick one. Waiting to see how spring practices went could've possibly just been a part of their personal deal with themselves. Idk. Maybe TB thought he could win a hypothetical competition against Hartman. Maybe Diggs felt the new OC might want to showcase him more. Once spring ended and they had gathered all the info they needed, they made a choice. Just my guess.

 

[T-Boone]

Tyree is a guy I worry about with the portal.

 

[Bishop2b5]

I just got some good info from my best source in Tuscaloosa about why Buchner transferred to Bama. Buchner says he got tired of ACamp talking shit about him on IE and decided to throw his lot in with the Tide just to stick his finger in that cat-loving rat bastard's eye.

 

[T Town Tommy]

I just got some good info from my best source in Tuscaloosa about why Buchner transferred to Bama. Buchner says he got tired of ACamp talking shit about him on IE and decided to throw his lot in with the Tide just to stick his finger in that cat-loving rat bastard's eye.

Wait till Buchner goes to the Browns in the draft in three years.

 

[irishandy]

Tyree is a guy I worry about with the portal.

I would be shocked if Tyree entered the portal, he is my game 1 starting slot WR, and he has stuck it out this long.

He also didn't play the injured card during spring.

 

[irishandy]

Who lasts longer at Bama- Buchner or Rees?

Still shocked that Buchner transferred to Bama with no guarantee of being the starting QB. If Rees leaves, he always has that Bama degree if he sticks it out.

 

[NDRock]

Who lasts longer at Bama- Buchner or Rees?

Still shocked that Buchner transferred to Bama with no guarantee of being the starting QB. If Rees leaves, he always has that Bama degree if he sticks it out.

TB12 will be ending his career at USF ala Blake Barnett.

 

[IAIrish]

TB12 will be ending his career at USF ala Blake Barnett.

He'll be back somewhere in cali before his eligibility expires. My pick would be San Diego st. Mark it 8

 

[irishandy]

BK is going to beat Bama 2 years in a row.

 

[GATTACA!]

Wait till Buchner goes to the Browns in the draft in three years.

 

[Irishokie]

BK is going to beat Bama 2 years in a row.

BK about to make Alabama his new USC

 

[T-Boone]

I was reading an ESPN prediction that he will be the starter for Bama. That’s pretty surprising. That cannot be a good sign for them.

 

[bobbyok1]

I was reading an ESPN prediction that he will be the starter for Bama. That’s pretty surprising. That cannot be a good sign for them.

As an Irish fan, I have to root for this to fail terribly for both Buchner and Tommy. Sorry, it's about competition now, I'm not "hoping for the best" for either of them. Buchner and Tommy succeeding at Bama is only going to reflect poorly on ND.

 

[Irish4life]

I was reading an ESPN prediction that he will be the starter for Bama. That’s pretty surprising. That cannot be a good sign for them.

It's not really surprising IMO. His biggest problem isn't lack of talent it's lack of reps.

 

[Blazers46]

It's not really surprising IMO. His biggest problem isn't lack of talent it's lack of reps.

If he comes out with a different throwing motion I will agree but his delivery was very cringy

 

[forkbeard3777]

I was reading an ESPN prediction that he will be the starter for Bama. That’s pretty surprising. That cannot be a good sign for them.

Really? My Alabama friends are saying it’ll be Simpson.

That said, I expect a rotation for the first game (MTSU). They’ll assess and name “the guy” for the Texas game. If things go south, Saban will quickly pivot though.

 

[Some Irish Bloke]

I was reading an ESPN prediction that he will be the starter for Bama. That’s pretty surprising. That cannot be a good sign for them.

I have the opposite feeling that Saban will work some sort of magic and help him reach his fullest potential. Just a gut feeling.