'21 CA QB Tyler Buchner (ND FB -> Bama FB -> ND LAX???)

[stlnd01]

Buchner either embracing his role or eating into the words that everyone else is thinking.

Either way, hope he understands he is better at ND until he had that degree.

I suspect he does and will stick through next season for that reason.

But also what's his "role," exactly? We could bring in a transfer and Buchner could well beat him for the job. There are only a few QBs in the transfer mix who are proven high-quality starters. Anyone else has either as many question marks around them as Buchner, or a far lower ceiling.
So you bring in a transfer, of course, for the reasons Buchner says. But you don't promise him the job. Have an open competition.

 

[arahop]

I suspect he does and will stick through next season for that reason.

But also what's his "role," exactly? We could bring in a transfer and Buchner could well beat him for the job. There are only a few QBs in the transfer mix who are proven high-quality starters. Anyone else has either as many question marks around them as Buchner, or a far lower ceiling.
So you bring in a transfer, of course, for the reasons Buchner says. But you don't promise him the job. Have an open competition.

Card and Hartman start over TB

 

[luckofirish8]

If (and that is a big if) Buchner is healthy, he is every bit as talented as Card. Anyone who thinks if ND signs Card, he is lock to win that spot just wants to see the back of Buchner. An experienced QB transfer could/would/should be a different story. Experience (and health) is the big reason they need to be in the portal. Talent and physical gifts for a QB is not one of those reasons. Buchner has a pretty sick skillset, but can't stay healthy. I think everyone agrees ND can't get caught with its pants down again, but based on talent/gifts Buchner won't go lightly.

 

[stlnd01]

Card and Hartman start over TB

Hartman does. Maybe Pratt too. IDK about Card.

 

[Veritate Duce Progredi]

I hope he proves many of us wrong. I haven't seen him read a defense but maybe a healthy OL will help him not develop the dreaded happy feet. If I see him drop dimes and go to his 2nd+ read at least 3-4 times, I'll have a lot more faith in him being able to develop.

 

[Te'o4Heisman]

If (and that is a big if) Buchner is healthy, he is every bit as talented as Card. Anyone who thinks if ND signs Card, he is lock to win that spot just wants to see the back of Buchner. An experienced QB transfer could/would/should be a different story. Experience (and health) is the big reason they need to be in the portal. Talent and physical gifts for a QB is not one of those reasons. Buchner has a pretty sick skillset, but can't stay healthy. I think everyone agrees ND can't get caught with its pants down again, but based on talent/gifts Buchner won't go lightly.

He’s also wildly inaccurate and has shown a penchant for bad reads and decision making in his short career thus far…not exactly qualities you look for in a QB.

Edit: also want to note I am rooting hard for the kid and do want him to develop and succeed.

 

[Luckylucci]

I hope he proves many of us wrong. I haven't seen him read a defense but maybe a healthy OL will help him not develop the dreaded happy feet. If I see him drop dimes and go to his 2nd+ read at least 3-4 times, I'll have a lot more faith in him being able to develop.

Fired up to watch him play in the bowl game. incredible opportunity for him to show what he’s got. Hopefully the time away has been good for him.

 

[Crazy Balki]

He’s also wildly inaccurate and has shown a penchant for bad reads and decisions making in his short career thus far…not exactly qualities you look for in a QB.

For me, it's hard to make that claim though.

I can't imagine a lot of young QBs make good reads and decisions when they spend the first 2 games of the season having to press because the OL can't give him more than 2 seconds to throw the ball. IIRC, ND gave up pressure on something like 50% of the drop backs in the first two games of the season. That is beyond abysmal.

Maybe he comes in and with adequate protection, makes better decisions.

Still definitely need to get the best QB available in the portal. If Buchner can't beat him out, so be it.

 

[Irishokie]

He’s also wildly inaccurate and has shown a penchant for bad reads and decisions making in his short career thus far…not exactly qualities you look for in a QB.

It’s like some of us don’t remember how he looked in the <2 games he played this year.

 

[luckofirish8]

He’s also wildly inaccurate and has shown a penchant for bad reads and decisions making in his short career thus far…not exactly qualities you look for in a QB.

Sure, that is fair. I would also expect that for a guy who's played like what 8-10 game over a 3 year span. That is why I think the experience aspect matters so much when looking for a transfer. The OL play was also complete garbage to start the year, which as others stated make the run on him that much harder.

All I'm saying is he has serious physical gifts for the QB position.

 

[Te'o4Heisman]

It’s like some of us don’t remember how he looked in the <2 games he played this year.

Right? I certainly do. I remember the pick 6 on a poor decision and read. I remember the other INT in that game where he was incredibly off target.
I also understand there is a reason the coaches brought him in repeatedly only to do nothing but run the ball.
He has 5 interceptions including 2 pick 6’s in like 80 career pass attempts. I am not sure it is me who is misremembering what he has or hasn't done.

 

[Bluto]

Right? I certainly do. I remember the pick 6 on a poor decision and read. I remember the other INT in that game where he was incredibly off target.
I also understand there is a reason the coaches brought him in repeatedly only to do nothing but run the ball.
He has 5 interceptions including 2 pick 6’s in like 80 career pass attempts. I am not sure it is me who is misremembering what he has or hasn't done.

80 passing attempts is pretty much nothing.

Books first couple of games were pretty terrible. Same with Rees. Pyne looked really bad last year and early on this year but got better as the season progressed.

QB’s need time time to develop. The ones who are ready to go game 1 are the exception not the rule. People expecting that are delusional.

 

[PolishDomer]

Uhh..you guys are way too focused on games. Im sure he has had a lot of reps in spring as well plus playing Madden lol

 

[ACamp1900]

👀👀👀https://irishsportsdaily.com/forums/1/topics/79736

Multiple sources saying Buchner had a great practice on Saturday. No bad throws and accuracy was dialed in.

This is what we were hearing in the preseason too in fairness,… I hope it’s true but will wait til game day

 

[Irish#1]

I don't get the negative thoughts on TB. Like LuckogIrish8 said, he's only played two games and very little the two years prior. If you were expecting him to come in and play like Trevor Lawrence, then that's on you. Misreads, interceptions and getting your timing down with the receivers is all part of the development cycle for most QB's. How many of those misses were on the inexperienced WR's? Nothing to base it upon, but I think spending a season up in the coaches box with Tommy and staff will pay dividends.

 

[Irishdrunk]

I think Buchner's biggest problem is the OC. Tyler needs to be treated less like a Wildcat QB and more like an actual QB. Less run playsets for QB and more stay in the pocket or backfield and throw the ball.

I think Tommy not trusting his receiver room and not having a backup QB contributed mightily to us have 4 losses.

I get we are Tight End U with a great in Mayer but the Receivers were treated like step children this year and it showed.

Now this class has a decent amount of receivers coming. Will Rees actually have a more open offense? I doubt it.

The focus on short game and overly concerned about turnovers made our offense so predictable.

 

[NDdomer2]

tbh i dont think they treated him enough like a dual threat. We only went to designed QB runs once we realized the OL didnt have their shit together. We had far more creative play calls for Pyne throughout the season that fit Buchner's skillset than we ever did we he was actually the QB.

 

[IrishLion]

I think Buchner's biggest problem is the OC. Tyler needs to be treated less like a Wildcat QB and more like an actual QB. Less run playsets for QB and more stay in the pocket or backfield and throw the ball.

I think Tommy not trusting his receiver room and not having a backup QB contributed mightily to us have 4 losses.

I get we are Tight End U with a great in Mayer but the Receivers were treated like step children this year and it showed.

Now this class has a decent amount of receivers coming. Will Rees actually have a more open offense? I doubt it.

The focus on short game and overly concerned about turnovers made our offense so predictable.

tbh i dont think they treated him enough like a dual threat. We only went to designed QB runs once we realized the OL didnt have their shit together. We had far more creative play calls for Pyne throughout the season that fit Buchner's skillset than we ever did we he was actually the QB.

@NDdomer2 is on the money.

The 22/23 personnel playbook evolved due to Pyne's limitations, the growth of the OL, and the depth of the TE and RB rooms. THAT is the offense they need to run with Buchner. It will maximize the use of his legs as an option on the RPO's and on play-action, and it will allow him some opportunities to throw against man-to-man down field, rather than asking him to read complex coverages all the time.

Tommy came into the season thinking they could run 11/12 personnel and survive on RPO's and his own playcalling genius... and I kind of get that, based on the health of the WR/RB groups going into the OSU game. But based on what little we saw of Buchner, and what we KNOW of the RB group now, it's likely Tommy would have slowly changed the offense either way.

Side note: I have no scientific data to back it up, but I'd bet Buchner will be less likely to get banged up if he's protecting himself on designed runs, rather than scrambling around like a mad man like he was early in the season.

 

[fightingirish26]

This is what we were hearing in the preseason too in fairness,… I hope it’s true but will wait til game day

I don't remember similar reports?

 

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

This is what we were hearing in the preseason too in fairness,… I hope it’s true but will wait til game day

I remember being concerned about the lack of Buchner hype in the preseason.

It doesn't make these statement particularly true or sincere, of course.

 

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

I don't remember similar reports?

I guess I should have read to the end...

 

[IrishLax]

@NDdomer2 is on the money.

The 22/23 personnel playbook evolved due to Pyne's limitations, the growth of the OL, and the depth of the TE and RB rooms. THAT is the offense they need to run with Buchner. It will maximize the use of his legs as an option on the RPO's and on play-action, and it will allow him some opportunities to throw against man-to-man down field, rather than asking him to read complex coverages all the time.

Tommy came into the season thinking they could run 11/12 personnel and survive on RPO's and his own playcalling genius... and I kind of get that, based on the health of the WR/RB groups going into the OSU game. But based on what little we saw of Buchner, and what we KNOW of the RB group now, it's likely Tommy would have slowly changed the offense either way.

Side note: I have no scientific data to back it up, but I'd bet Buchner will be less likely to get banged up if he's protecting himself on designed runs, rather than scrambling around like a mad man like he was early in the season.

Bro he hurt himself walking down some stairs...

 

[notredomer23]

Bro he hurt himself walking down some stairs...

 

[SouthSideChiDomer]

Bro he hurt himself walking down some stairs...

Let he who has not hurt himself walking down some stairs cast the first stone

 

[IrishLion]

Bro he hurt himself walking down some stairs...

Those particular stairs are tricky and everyone knows it!

 

[Irish4life]

Bro he hurt himself walking down some stairs...

Would've played on it if it were a real game and not the spring game

 

[Old Man Mike]

Huge amount of fantasy BS in this thread. We have almost NO idea what Tyler will do in the bowl game, nor what he'll do in the Spring nor next season. I keep opening threads like this in hopes that there is information from factual sources about the subject of the thread, and was delighted to read that Clashmore Mike reported that he had a great practice which included excellent accuracy. ... still not a game, but at least a hope. ACamp said this essentially and I agree: wait for the game and some actual facts. ... or, if you're a source like Clash, please continue to feed the fact pile.

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

Would've played on it if it were a real game and not the spring game

Freeman already said yes that was the case. Taped up and pushed out

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

Anyone else listened to II podcast yesterday?

Prister said that "ND is saying that TB is looking great - but I've heard otherwise"
He literally said he's not sure if he buys it....

We're back to week 1 Prister skepticism. What's old is new again.

 

[NDdomer2]

Anyone else listened to II podcast yesterday?

Prister said that "ND is saying that TB is looking great - but I've heard otherwise"
He literally said he's not sure if he buys it....

We're back to week 1 Prister skepticism. What's old is new again.

do we have any reason to believe it. That was the story all offseason and camp.