'21 CA QB Tyler Buchner (ND FB -> Bama FB -> ND LAX???)

[NorthDakota]

Maybe explain yourself better next time and yeah that definitely sounds like an opinion based on your own life experience.

For the record some of the injuries that people I know suffered (all different people mind you) while playing include: broken clavicle, broken lower leg, broken upper leg, broken arm, broken ankle, separated shoulder, torn acl, torn mcl, broken knee cap, broken elbow, broken ribs, broken hand, broken wrist, never mind being seriously concussed/knocked out cold.

I broke my leg twice in a 1.5 year span playing sports. Then went through 5 years of varsity sports without a meaningful injury.

Shit happens. Some folks got bad luck for a stretch. Well learn more (I hope) about Tyler. He plays football a way that invites contact and athletic movement that invites injury. Persistent muscle injuries are the ones that get my attention.

Hope the kid stays healthy. I really want him to succeed. Seems like a good kid. He has been through a lot. Him succeeding on the field would be a lot of fun.

 

[NDRock]

I broke my leg twice in a 1.5 year span playing sports. Then went through 5 years of varsity sports without a meaningful injury.

Shit happens. Some folks got bad luck for a stretch. Well learn more (I hope) about Tyler. He plays football a way that invites contact and athletic movement that invites injury. Persistent muscle injuries are the ones that get my attention.

Hope the kid stays healthy. I really want him to succeed. Seems like a good kid. He has been through a lot. Him succeeding on the field would be a lot of fun.

Agree, sometimes they are just fluke injuries. That being said, I have zero faith that TB will make it as the starting QB at ND. Would love to be wrong on this.

 

[anarin]

I was a huge Buchner fan when he was a prospect, then his mechanics were messed with, and I was a bit skittish with the way his throws looked afterwards. I would LOVE to see him get through the injuries and be very successful, but I have this overwhelming feeling that he may be the next Andrew Hendrix. Especially how I remember the first two games of the season... I really really hope not though.

 

[tko]

Buchner is becoming a mix of Andrew Hendrix and a mental Dayne Crist. I'm still excited to see how he plays Friday. Wondering if he plays the whole game and Angeli gets zero reps. That would be a Kelly, I mean Rees move.

 

[ThePiombino]

I don't get the comparisons to Hendrix and Crist. Like at all. What about TB's body of work suggests that he's anything like those two? Buchner has attempted all of 85 passes in his Notre Dame career. Most of those were behind a mediocre (at best) offensive line with virtually zero receiving threat other than a single tight end. I have seen nothing about his mental game to suggest he's anything like Dayne Crist
His 57.6% career completion percentage is significantly better than Andrew Hendrix's 43% or whatever it was at Notre Dame. Let's at least give the kid a chance to perform behind a solid offensive line with receivers that have seemingly progressed since last time he stepped on the field before judging.

I'm not saying this kid is the truth. He may very well be just as ineffective as both of those guys. However, if we're being intellectually honest and not completely reactionary, I think we have to admit that the sample size simply isn't big enough to write him off just yet.

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[CoachB]

I don't get the comparisons to Hendrix and Crist. Like at all. What about TB's body of work suggests that he's anything like those two? Buchner has attempted all of 85 passes in his Notre Dame career. Most of those were behind a mediocre (at best) offensive line with virtually zero receiving threat other than a single tight end. I have seen nothing about his mental game to suggest he's anything like Dayne Crist
His 57.6% career completion percentage is significantly better than Andrew Hendrix's 43% or whatever it was at Notre Dame. Let's at least give the kid a chance to perform behind a solid offensive line with receivers that have seemingly progressed since last time he stepped on the field before judging.

I'm not saying this kid is the truth. He may very well be just as ineffective as both of those guys. However, if we're being intellectually honest and not completely reactionary, I think we have to admit that the sample size simply isn't big enough to write him off just yet.

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This x100

 

[IrishLax]

Buchner went from a raw gunslinger to a perpetually hurt player that has truncated his throwing motion into inaccurate, clunky nonsense.

He rolls his ankles constantly, there is probably a stability issue there. The more catastrophic injuries we have no idea if they’re a pattern or one-offs.

But he needs more reps (mental and physical) and a more natural throwing motion. He’s not a guy right now that can “make all of the throws” and he needs to be much more accurate to be a full time starter. I’m hoping we see some of that this week but if he’s inefficient then please for the love of God give Angeli some live reps.

 

[ACamp1900]

What LAX said, 100

 

[anarin]

I don't get the comparisons to Hendrix and Crist. Like at all. What about TB's body of work suggests that he's anything like those two? Buchner has attempted all of 85 passes in his Notre Dame career. Most of those were behind a mediocre (at best) offensive line with virtually zero receiving threat other than a single tight end. I have seen nothing about his mental game to suggest he's anything like Dayne Crist
His 57.6% career completion percentage is significantly better than Andrew Hendrix's 43% or whatever it was at Notre Dame. Let's at least give the kid a chance to perform behind a solid offensive line with receivers that have seemingly progressed since last time he stepped on the field before judging.

I'm not saying this kid is the truth. He may very well be just as ineffective as both of those guys. However, if we're being intellectually honest and not completely reactionary, I think we have to admit that the sample size simply isn't big enough to write him off just yet.

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What Lax said, " truncated his throwing motion into inaccurate, clunky nonsense." Would you believe he has more attempts at this point in his career than Hendrix did?

After two seasons their stats line up like this.

Hendrix - 23 for 44 (52%), 304 yards passing, 1 td, 2 ints
33 for 203 yards rushing, 1 td
8 games played

Buchner - 49 for 85 (57%), 676 yards passing, 3 td's, 5 int's
70 for 398 yards rushing, 5 td's
12 games played

Was I saying he was the next Hendrix? No, but I've seen both quarterbacks play, and the eye test says they are similar right now at this point in their careers. And I also said that I would love to see him be very successful. I never said that I am writing him off, but to say you don't see the comparisons AT ALL, and just completely dismiss this as a possibility is wild to me.

 

[StPaul_Irish]

Buchner went from a raw gunslinger to a perpetually hurt player that has truncated his throwing motion into inaccurate, clunky nonsense.

He rolls his ankles constantly, there is probably a stability issue there. The more catastrophic injuries we have no idea if they’re a pattern or one-offs.

But he needs more reps (mental and physical) and a more natural throwing motion. He’s not a guy right now that can “make all of the throws” and he needs to be much more accurate to be a full time starter. I’m hoping we see some of that this week but if he’s inefficient then please for the love of God give Angeli some live reps.

Anyone who says different didn't watch is HS film/throwing sessions. Those were a thing of beauty. How it went from that to whatever the hell he does now, is mind blowing. I know he went to some QB Guru and F'ed things up, but at some point Tommy had to say "knock it off" and get him back right? Or does being the QB coach/OC not lend itself enough time?

I just have to think that they would have done something to fix that right?

 

[Green Mountains]

Anyone who says different didn't watch is HS film/throwing sessions. Those were a thing of beauty. How it went from that to whatever the hell he does now, is mind blowing. I know he went to some QB Guru and F'ed things up, but at some point Tommy had to say "knock it off" and get him back right? Or does being the QB coach/OC not lend itself enough time?

I just have to think that they would have done something to fix that right?

Sometimes it's not just "knock it off". It's part of who you are.

I'm an avid golfer. I know when my lower half gets active (aka - happy feet), my swing is impossible to replicate. I'm manipulating my hands to get to the ball given shifting feet and a different contact point every time. My misses are left and right, short and long. There are times when I have a quiet lower half, and all is good. There are times when I'm dancing (especially when I'm pressing), and it's a shitshow. I know the issue, I know the correction. And I still fight happy feet. Lessons, range time both help....but yet it returns. I'll go weeks with a solid lower half, and I think I've got it nailed. And then happy feet return.

So back to Tyler....it's not as easy as "knock it off". He has to relearn his motion after whatever got it messed up. And then he has to fight off the demons which want to revert to the bad motion.

 

[dang227]

These QB gurus are a scam. George Whitfield and the like are all frauds.


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[ThePiombino]

Buchner went from a raw gunslinger to a perpetually hurt player that has truncated his throwing motion into inaccurate, clunky nonsense.

He rolls his ankles constantly, there is probably a stability issue there. The more catastrophic injuries we have no idea if they’re a pattern or one-offs.

But he needs more reps (mental and physical) and a more natural throwing motion. He’s not a guy right now that can “make all of the throws” and he needs to be much more accurate to be a full time starter. I’m hoping we see some of that this week but if he’s inefficient then please for the love of God give Angeli some live reps.

I think this has to happen regardless, UNLESS...both 1.) Hartman is already signed, sealed, delivered and 2.) the staff has already decided that Angeli's future is not at Notre Dame

What Lax said, " truncated his throwing motion into inaccurate, clunky nonsense." Would you believe he has more attempts at this point in his career than Hendrix did?

After two seasons their stats line up like this.

Hendrix - 23 for 44 (52%), 304 yards passing, 1 td, 2 ints
33 for 203 yards rushing, 1 td
8 games played

Buchner - 49 for 85 (57%), 676 yards passing, 3 td's, 5 int's
70 for 398 yards rushing, 5 td's
12 games played

Was I saying he was the next Hendrix? No, but I've seen both quarterbacks play, and the eye test says they are similar right now at this point in their careers. And I also said that I would love to see him be very successful. I never said that I am writing him off, but to say you don't see the comparisons AT ALL, and just completely dismiss this as a possibility is wild to me.

The thing is I remember watching Hendrix throw. It was NOT pretty. As bad as Buchner might seems, it's not even close. Again, Buchner may very well be Hendrix 2.0, but I'd like to see him get a shot behind the current OLine, not the one that showed up to OSU and Marshall.

 

[IrishSpartan]

My Dad first words after Ohio state was Andrew Hendrix

 

[dang227]

Do people not remember just how truly awful Hendrix was at throwing the ball? Buchner hasn't been great but he is far from Hendrix.


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[NDRock]

Do people not remember just how truly awful Hendrix was at throwing the ball? Buchner hasn't been great but he is far from Hendrix.


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Hendrix’s performance in the USC game was the worst QB performance I’ve seen in a ND uniform. Pyne’s first few drives in the Cal game came very close.

Buchner is more like Crist to me. So far.

 

[MacIrish75]

My Dad first words after Ohio state was Andrew Hendrix

My dad’s first words after Ohio State were “Why the hell did Golden call that dumbass blitz from safeties 15 yards off the ball?”

 

[luckofirish8]

My dad’s first words after Ohio State were “Why the hell did Golden call that dumbass blitz from safeties 15 yards off the ball?”

Same.

 

[MacIrish75]

If only he knew his son’s profile pic is now Freakbass...

My dad thinks a freakbass is something you pull out of the water downstream from the power plant.

 

[slick7410]

I was super high on Buchner and still like him to keep and develop - but, come on he’s been a disaster as a thrower. We’re talking 85 attempts, some are explainable as a young QB , but there’s a lot.

No feel for pocket INT - pretty much pick 6 against Cincinnati. Torpedos a 0-0 game. Probably not fair - but it’s a data point.

Virginia tech stare down pick 6 , throw against body middle field pick

Marshall stare down int near pick 6, an actual stare down pick 6 . Missing a wide open receiver running free for a TD.

In 85 attempts?
Had a nice throw to Kevin Austin - cool side arm thingy to wide open Tyree. Very good* runner.

 

[Irish du Nord]

I think this has to happen regardless, UNLESS...both 1.) Hartman is already signed, sealed, delivered and 2.) the staff has already decided that Angeli's future is not at Notre Dame

The thing is I remember watching Hendrix throw. It was NOT pretty. As bad as Buchner might seems, it's not even close. Again, Buchner may very well be Hendrix 2.0, but I'd like to see him get a shot behind the current OLine, not the one that showed up to OSU and Marshall.

Yeah, as inconsistent as Buchner was, he’s a far cry from Hendrix as a passer.

 

[stlnd01]

Andrew Hendrix threw the ball like he was trying to murder the wide receiver.

 

[Junkhead]

Andrew Hendrix threw the ball like he was trying to murder the wide receiver.

That was painful to watch. I've not given up on TB yet, he can't be as bad as Hendrix was? Right?

 

[Te'o4Heisman]

I was super high on Buchner and still like him to keep and develop - but, come on he’s been a disaster as a thrower. We’re talking 85 attempts, some are explainable as a young QB , but there’s a lot.

No feel for pocket INT - pretty much pick 6 against Cincinnati. Torpedos a 0-0 game. Probably not fair - but it’s a data point.

Virginia tech stare down pick 6 , throw against body middle field pick

Marshall stare down int near pick 6, an actual stare down pick 6 . Missing a wide open receiver running free for a TD.

In 85 attempts?
Had a nice throw to Kevin Austin - cool side arm thingy to wide open Tyree. Very good* runner.

You clearly missed the memo like I did…its all the offensive line’s fault.

In all seriousness, I agree with you. He also makes the wrong rpo read more often than the correct one and has shown zero ability to read a defense or go the right place with the ball.

I’m also just not convinced he will ever be an accurate enough passer with that horrible arm action even if he overcomes all of these other deficiencies through development and more reps.

 

[spoonidentity]

These QB gurus are a scam. George Whitfield and the like are all frauds.


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Taylor Kelly's name doesn't get publicly cursed and mocked nearly enough after screwing up both Wimbush and Buchner's throwing motions. His ASU correction with Chip Kelly is also infuriating of nepotism is the only reason those guys even went to TK.

For every mention of George Whitfield there should be 10 of Taylor Kelly's.

 

[Some Irish Bloke]

I hope Buchner balls out on Friday and we have a true competition if/when Hartman comes here. There couldn't be a better situation than that.

 

[zelezo vlk]

Lax mentioning the constantly rolling ankles reminds me, Steph Curry consistently had ankle problems until the Warriors had a trained professional break down his biomechanics and find out that his issue was actually a tightness in the hips causing the ankle issues. I recall reading a piece a couple years back that Bama brought in somebody specifically to work on first step explosion off the line for receivers.

Perhaps this is overblown but maybe this is something that ND could look at? Adding a person to come in and address biomechanics issues for guys? I guess this assumes this isn’t a thing already.


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[NDFAN2008]

If Buchner comes out Friday and is slinging it 30-40 yards downfield then I’ll have some confidence if it’s gonna be the same 5-10 yard passes and RPO crap and watching him take sack after sack then that ain’t good enough

 

[ACamp1900]

If Buchner comes out Friday and is slinging it 30-40 yards downfield then I’ll have some confidence if it’s gonna be the same 5-10 yard passes and RPO crap and watching him take sack after sack then that ain’t good enough

Who said we are going to attempt a pass!?!?

 

[NDFAN2008]

Who said we are going to attempt a pass!?!?

Well we didn’t just sign 4 high rated guys at WR to block their whole careers and Tobias isn’t gonna stick around just to block need a gun slinger