College Athletics Branding - Name Image Likeness Rules
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ulukinatme
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Marriage...with all the commitment, but without the maxed out credit cards your wife racks up at Target.
Veritate Duce Progredi
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I mean what in the actual fuck are they proposing? I don't care to read the entire thing, can someone bullet point this thing so we can be certain if it's as ludicrous as it sounds on the surface?
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"The bill requires schools to provide athletes with scholarships until they complete their undergraduate studies, something often referred to as a “lifetime scholarship.”"
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DON’T YOU DARE DO THIS TO THIS THREAD YOU ASSHOLES.
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I could get behind allowing kids to return if they didn't end up getting drafted or their draft slot wasn't as high as hoped. This would chanage the dynamics of recruiting and could hurt NFL teams draft results, but most of that could be worked out.
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Imagine that a stupid idea from a stupid democrat.
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If this meant that a person could get scholarship money for any year that they were FULL-TIME in university working toward their degree, AND IN GOOD ACADEMIC STANDING, then this would not be a bad thing. It would cover catastrophic injury which took a person out of everything in his life for a year or more. I might prefer an exception which voided the pseudo-"lifetime" element in this if the player had left school healthy for a job as a pro-player (or anything else really), and therefore had made a voluntary choice to quit on his team. Simply showing back up years later after quitting on the team doesn't seem just.
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Do they get a lifetime scholarship even if they exercise their unlimited transfers? Are they supposed to be allowed back? What if they just drop out or quit after 2-3 years, are the schools supposed to allow them back in down the road? Or only if they pursue their pro prospects.
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It's basically just a guaranteed four-year scholarship (a good thing, IMO) that players can exercise at any time. That doesn't seem so terrible?
And so many guys talk themselves/get talked into jumping early for the draft when it's ultimately a mistake (ahem Kevin Austin). I've zero problem letting them back in.
My biggest beef is probably the "unlimited" transfers which - especially combined with NIL - seems like poach city and roster management chaos. But we're halfway there already and at least this would ban transfers during the season.
As a side note Cory Booker played for Stanford in the first game I ever attended at Notre Dame Stadium. We were #1. We lost. So screw him.
And so many guys talk themselves/get talked into jumping early for the draft when it's ultimately a mistake (ahem Kevin Austin). I've zero problem letting them back in.
My biggest beef is probably the "unlimited" transfers which - especially combined with NIL - seems like poach city and roster management chaos. But we're halfway there already and at least this would ban transfers during the season.
As a side note Cory Booker played for Stanford in the first game I ever attended at Notre Dame Stadium. We were #1. We lost. So screw him.
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OK so how do they square that with Title IX and the way scholarships are done in non-headcount sports?
In other news, sounds like Manchin and Tuberville are working with the SEC to set up an NIL regulation: Senators Tuberville, Manchin working on bill to tackle NIL
In other news, sounds like Manchin and Tuberville are working with the SEC to set up an NIL regulation: Senators Tuberville, Manchin working on bill to tackle NIL
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Returning to school after entering the draft is long overdue.
The bill as written is too broad. I like including health and safety along with school accountability, but they need to go deeper and define what that entails. Especially school accountability.
Speaking of which, came across this today and had to laugh.
The bill as written is too broad. I like including health and safety along with school accountability, but they need to go deeper and define what that entails. Especially school accountability.
Speaking of which, came across this today and had to laugh.
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My thought has always been "was it against the rules at the time?" Reggie Bush, against the rules, shouldn't get Heisman back. The steroid era of baseball. To my knowledge, PEDs were not against the rules at the time, cool, why try to hide it? Sorry SMU, don't feel bad for you.
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Context matters, yeah, but if we're being honest the system was crap then. Nobody dared change the rules of that system until recently.
When Have Nots start Having, it makes people very uncomfortable. That's all we're seeing here with the backlash. It's change, which itself in general doesn't go over well. Millionaire coaches like Saban and Sweeney come out saying they don't like this, but they'll adapt and figure out a way to the front of the line for it to benefit them more than the rest of the pack.
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I wrote the following in a different thread which was the wrong place, so I'll try again here --- still doesn't seem quite the correct place, but ...
Pot stirring in a dull moment, and not knowing where to put this.
This has maybe been mentioned before somewhere on IE. The OSU DA came out with the idea of complete separation of "college" sports from the actual colleges the other day. This melded "nicely" with the concept being talked about all over as to athletes, particularly in football, being "employees." So my thinking about a poorly thought-about (if at all) consequence is:
Employees in my experience can be fired. Why? all sorts of reasons, but mainly because "management" assesses them as not doing their jobs. And it's not JUST not doing their jobs, but not doing their jobs well enough according to the employer. In short, they can be pink-slipped at any time, and the employer rarely has to explain anything or care.
Say you're Saban or Smart or Fisher. You have twenty guys (or more) on your 85-man roster that you don't think will hack it at the level you want. Fire them. Get those "scholarship" numbers wide open (That number will be some Football Association roster limit agreed upon by teams in the new association.). Bring in a whole pair of teams each year (your firings plus your "graduates" --- a strange term in this new world; maybe we should just label it all "attrition") to bolster your holdover starters and prime back-ups. Bring on the Recruits, transfers, no difference ... you're paying them all top dollar anyway. They don't work out? --- fire them.
... and with the NCAA withered and dead as far as football is concerned, and the football separated from the college, the thought crosses Saban's mind: What about that third string developmental QB on the _____ insert name of a pro team?
The thing maintaining the relationship of the team and the name of the college is that the college owns the facilities and the "Football Business" is a separate business "renting" all those facilities for a BIG dollar cut of its TV revenues --- the college still funds what it wants to outside of football with those funds. If that's Olympic sports ... that's how they continue.Football is economically on its own.
Coaches decisions to simply fire any number of players that they wish to ..... hmmmm.
Pot stirring in a dull moment, and not knowing where to put this.
This has maybe been mentioned before somewhere on IE. The OSU DA came out with the idea of complete separation of "college" sports from the actual colleges the other day. This melded "nicely" with the concept being talked about all over as to athletes, particularly in football, being "employees." So my thinking about a poorly thought-about (if at all) consequence is:
Employees in my experience can be fired. Why? all sorts of reasons, but mainly because "management" assesses them as not doing their jobs. And it's not JUST not doing their jobs, but not doing their jobs well enough according to the employer. In short, they can be pink-slipped at any time, and the employer rarely has to explain anything or care.
Say you're Saban or Smart or Fisher. You have twenty guys (or more) on your 85-man roster that you don't think will hack it at the level you want. Fire them. Get those "scholarship" numbers wide open (That number will be some Football Association roster limit agreed upon by teams in the new association.). Bring in a whole pair of teams each year (your firings plus your "graduates" --- a strange term in this new world; maybe we should just label it all "attrition") to bolster your holdover starters and prime back-ups. Bring on the Recruits, transfers, no difference ... you're paying them all top dollar anyway. They don't work out? --- fire them.
... and with the NCAA withered and dead as far as football is concerned, and the football separated from the college, the thought crosses Saban's mind: What about that third string developmental QB on the _____ insert name of a pro team?
The thing maintaining the relationship of the team and the name of the college is that the college owns the facilities and the "Football Business" is a separate business "renting" all those facilities for a BIG dollar cut of its TV revenues --- the college still funds what it wants to outside of football with those funds. If that's Olympic sports ... that's how they continue.Football is economically on its own.
Coaches decisions to simply fire any number of players that they wish to ..... hmmmm.
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Keon better pickup his Twitter game. Twitter seems bad now with all the jackasses tweeting at kids. Imagine what this will be like. If I had a dime for all the fat, couch potato Bama fans I see tweeting at Keeley about his ND commitment, I’d be a rich man. This will only escalate the drama with more Tweets and a larger audience.
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A good CPM on Twitter for advertisers is around $5. If the split is 20%, they’d need a million views to make $1,000. For reference, the ND hangover jersey reveal went crazy viral and is only at 3 million views. If all social platforms and especially YouTube adopt some form of this it would be interesting to see but Twitter alone won’t change much.
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My understanding is that 1) ND does not guarantee NIL money to recruits and that 2) this approach is different than the upfront guaranteed money that Bama, TAMU, and Tennessee offers.
My question to the recruiting junkies here: Is this purely a bird in the hand situation for a recruit like Keeley or is the upfront cash also suspected to be orders of magnitude greater than what any athlete can reasonably earn in NIL endorsements fairly?
My question to the recruiting junkies here: Is this purely a bird in the hand situation for a recruit like Keeley or is the upfront cash also suspected to be orders of magnitude greater than what any athlete can reasonably earn in NIL endorsements fairly?
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For *most* schools competing against NIL rule-breakers that are offering up-front deals, that is probably the case. What they're offering you off the bat is greater than what you will make at most schools, even doing it the right way.
I don't think this is necessarily the case with ND, as long as FUND is doing its thing, and the appropriate parties are keeping recruits informed of how the ND post-grad network (and subway alumn network) works, and just how far it reaches.
It's all speculation until someone leaks some dollar figures after the first ND athlete is able to cash in big-time, but you'd think the ND brand will have them competitive, even if the figure is a crazy up-front offer.
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Brennan don’t need the $$. His family has enough for everyone.
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Didn't expect something like this until next year. Probably not enough for those throwing the money around to step back and take a breath before tossing out some more money.
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The Insider: The very latest on Texas' quarterback situation and more
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Might not be the right thread, but it sounds like Ewers is not going to be the starter. Notable bc of all the NIL money he has
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You had the kid at LSU walk away and now this? The bad investments might start stacking up rather quickly once the season starts.The Insider: The very latest on Texas' quarterback situation and more
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Might not be the right thread, but it sounds like Ewers is not going to be the starter. Notable bc of all the NIL money he has
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The Insider: The very latest on Texas' quarterback situation and more
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Might not be the right thread, but it sounds like Ewers is not going to be the starter. Notable bc of all the NIL money he has
I love it. I hope is causes major problems and teams/bag men/donors have major falling out.