'19 IN LB Jack Kiser (Notre Dame Man)

[BobbyMac]

White is faster/quicker than Kiser?

The speed at which one plays on a Jr. tape and the actual speed a prospect possesses are two completely different things.

What you are getting with Kiser is high ceiling athleticism. You can't argue with #'s. This kid is fast for his position. His 100m time is just a tenth behind everyone's favorite WR prospect, Kevin Austin.

This kid will be 235-240 in his 3rd year if he's a Buck. Remember, Tranquill was a 195lb safety prospect his Jr year.

Lastly, Lea put is eyes on him and took him first. End of story.

 

[BGIF]

Tim Prister absolutely ripped into this kid in his film eval. Yeesh.

https://247sports.com/college/notre-dame/Article/In-The-Film-Room-Jack-Kiser-118885688

Somebody remind me just how many kids has Prister coached at the Indiana 1-A or higher level, much less Div 1A. Just curious.

 

[arrowryan]

Somebody remind me just how many kids has Prister coached at the Indiana 1-A or higher level, much less Div 1A. Just curious.

I obviously wouldn't take what Tim says as gospel and I absolutely value Lea's in person evaluation of Kiser over Prister's half ass evaluation of a 5 minute tape.

From a professionalism standpoint, isn't Prister setting himself up for failure rather than success? What if Lea's evaluation is right and Kiser turns into something good? Prister is going to look like a real jack ass; not only for ripping into a 17 year old kid, but for also having a terrible evaluation. If Kiser does turn into something good, I hope Prister never hears the end of it.

Also, this would be great personal bulletin board material for Jack.

 

[koonja]

I obviously wouldn't take what Tim says as gospel and I absolutely value Lea's in person evaluation of Kiser over Prister's half ass evaluation of a 5 minute tape.

From a professionalism standpoint, isn't Prister setting himself up for failure rather than success? What if Lea's evaluation is right and Kiser turns into something good? Prister is going to look like a real jack ass; not only for ripping into a 17 year old kid, but for also having a terrible evaluation. If Kiser does turn into something good, I hope Prister never hears the end of it.

Also, this would be great personal bulletin board material for Jack.

What if Prister is right and we took a guy mid summer who's not starter caliber at ND? You can look at it both ways.

And I'm with Prister on this one.

 

[koonja]

Somebody remind me just how many kids has Prister coached at the Indiana 1-A or higher level, much less Div 1A. Just curious.

Do you think you need to have been an acting coach to tell Leo Decaprio can act?

A shooting coach to tell Ray Allen could shoot?

A MLB coach to tell Ken Griffey Jr. could hit?

 

[arrowryan]

Do you think you need to have been an acting coach to tell Leo Decaprio can act?

A shooting coach to tell Ray Allen could shoot?

A MLB coach to tell Ken Griffey Jr. could hit?

You've used this before lol. Who do you trust more? Coach Lea or Tim Prister. One of them took the time to go watch Jack workout in person and like what he saw so much that he extended an offer. The other guy did what every other average Joe does and fired up the ole' Hudl video. There is no way I am going to take Prister's opinion over Lea's.

 

[arrowryan]

For anyone who lives in the Northern Indiana area, Kiser and his team play @ Knox and play at home against LaVille. Knox is like a 45 minute drive from South Bend and LaVille is like 5 minutes south. They played at LaVille last season and won 41-0; if I knew he would've been a commit, I probably would've tried to make that game. They also play Culver, which is around 45 minutes away as well.

 

[Meatloaf]

Tim Prister absolutely ripped into this kid in his film eval. Yeesh.

https://247sports.com/college/notre-dame/Article/In-The-Film-Room-Jack-Kiser-118885688

 

[Wingman Ray]

Double edged sword here

On one hand, the kid comes from a 421 student population high school in a pretty bad state for football talent traditionally. With that kind of population, the level of talent he has to be playing against you would think would be pretty bottom of the barrel.

On the other hand you you have to assume he isnt getting hardly any publicity either.

This choice will be a who knows. We have had 4 star LBs that have done nothing but sit the pine with expectations to probably not do anything more than to play hamburger squad when everyone expected them to be solid.

So it really turns into whether or not the kid has the desire like Tranquill or be a dud like White

 

[NDohio]

Do you think you need to have been an acting coach to tell Leo Decaprio can act?

A shooting coach to tell Ray Allen could shoot?

A MLB coach to tell Ken Griffey Jr. could hit?

This is dumb.

You are using examples of people that are absolutely great at their craft and anybody can see that they are great at their craft. Evaluating borderline talent and being able to see potential does take a trained eye.

Take a lap...

 

[tko]

This is dumb.

You are using examples of people that are absolutely great at their craft and anybody can see that they are great at their craft. Evaluating borderline talent and being able to see potential does take a trained eye.

Take a lap...

Reps!!! LOL

 

[IrishLion]

This is dumb.

You are using examples of people that are absolutely great at their craft and anybody can see that they are great at their craft. Evaluating borderline talent and being able to see potential does take a trained eye.

Take a lap...

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

Do you think you need to have been an acting coach to tell Leo Decaprio can act?

A shooting coach to tell Ray Allen could shoot?

A MLB coach to tell Ken Griffey Jr. could hit?

Kuehnja's logic as flawed as ever! Love the consistency this guy brings to the board doe

 

[koonja]

You guys like him. I wouldn't have taken him.

We'll see how he does, I won't forget 4 years from now.

 

[irishnd31]

This will get reps every time.

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

You guys like him. I wouldn't have taken him.

We'll see how he does, I won't forget 4 years from now.

I never said I liked him, or disliked him for that matter.

I'm just saying your logic is awful lol

 

[koonja]

I never said I liked him, or disliked him for that matter.

I'm just saying your logic is awful lol

My logic is that a person who watches film for a living might have a clue. That talent it's something you need a graduate degree to notice/not notice. And that I wouldn't take him.

You haven't put a post together with more than 2 sentences since Vietnam. Coming in for a 1-sentence rip on people post is about as valuable as smearing sh!t on the toilet seat.

Be a lot better tomorrow. Or continue to be irrelevant here like you have for years.

 

[irishnd31]

I won't forget 4 years from now.

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

My logic is that a person who watches film for a living might have a clue. That talent it's something you need a graduate degree to notice/not notice. And that I wouldn't take him.

You haven't put a post together with more than 2 sentences since Vietnam. Coming in for a 1-sentence rip on people post is about as valuable as smearing sh!t on the toilet seat.

Be a lot better tomorrow. Or continue to be irrelevant here like you have for years.

Being called irrelevant by Kuehnja? Ouch....

Anyway, if you were curious, I am all for Kiser. Lea knows what fits his system better than Tim... Lea knows Jack's personality/drive better than Tim.

Until proven otherwise, I'm going with the D1 DC on this one, sorry bud.

 

[Luckylucci]

I find these conversations interesting because they usually end up at “he’s going to be great” or “he’s going to be a bench warmer.” When there is actually a lot of outcomes in between. Also, when you consider that at all times you’ll have a 3 deep at every poisition and a 4 deep at some. With those players also contributing on ST’s. It would seem that even if he doesn’t reach his ceiling, some say Drue T, he can still be an upgrade to the depth chart. Certainly above White and Adams. And an upgrade to ST’s. 215 lbs. running an 11 sec 100 is an upgrade to ST’s, I would think. I just don’t think it always has to be so polarizing, but that’s just me.

 

[koonja]

I find these conversations interesting because they usually end up at “he’s going to be great” or “he’s going to be a bench warmer.” When there is actually a lot of outcomes in between. Also, when you consider that at all times you’ll have a 3 deep at every poisition and a 4 deep at some. With those players also contributing on ST’s. It would seem that even if he doesn’t reach his ceiling, some say Drue T, he can still be an upgrade to the depth chart. Certainly above White and Adams. And an upgrade to ST’s. 215 lbs. running an 11 sec 100 is an upgrade to ST’s, I would think. I just don’t think it always has to be so polarizing, but that’s just me.

This is fair. By all accounts he's a great attitude guy, and those guys have a floor of being accountable, can fill in if needed, and take meaningful reps on ST.

With how our 2019 recruiting is rolling, and considering the kid who's name I cannot spell is presumably on board, and it's mid summer, I prefer they be selective. Which is why I say this is a guy you add after a couple weeks of game day OV's if you don't get any traction with better LB prospects. We may very well have 2 LBs signed up before the season without counting Kiser. Our defense is set to have a really good year, which will be attractive to prospects not currently on the radar.

I'd be more selective right now, but you're right that it's probably somewhere inbetween.

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

This is fair. By all accounts he's a great attitude guy, and those guys have a floor of being accountable, can fill in if needed, and take meaningful reps on ST.

With how our 2019 recruiting is rolling, and considering the kid who's name I cannot spell is presumably on board, and it's mid summer, I prefer they be selective. Which is why I say this is a guy you add after a couple weeks of game day OV's if you don't get any traction with better LB prospects. We may very well have 2 LBs signed up before the season without counting Kiser. Our defense is set to have a really good year, which will be attractive to prospects not currently on the radar.

I'd be more selective right now, but you're right that it's probably somewhere inbetween.

This panned out great for Kuechly.

 

[Luckylucci]

Also, I’ve seen some concern that this takes a spot away from one of the higher rated LB’s. Loy insinuating that it’s 3 Lb’s and potentially 4, if it’s 3 more of Henrich, Ekwonu, Sinclair, or Turner. So if Kiser is added to any of those 2 or 3, I think we’ll all be happy come signing day.

 

[IrishFanJMercy]

I don't like this take either I think the staff should have waited to take him in this class. Pioneer usually has a good football program but class 1A football is weak in Indiana. Now we landed Barjas a few years back and he wasnt that good and he played on one of the top 3A football team in Indiana which is Andrean. They would blowout Pioneer on any night

 

[IrishLion]

I don't like this take either I think the staff should have waited to take him in this class. Pioneer usually has a good football program but class 1A football is weak in Indiana. Now we landed Barjas a few years back and he wasnt that good and he played on one of the top 3A football team in Indiana which is Andrean. They would blowout Pioneer on any night

Judging the overall level of competition in relation to a prospect is one thing, but making generalizations based on previous recruits and their teams probably doesn't really apply.

First, Barajas had trouble staying motivated at ND. He didn't put the work in to get himself in position to play. His story could apply to any player, but that's different than saying "Josh wasn't good so this kid probably won't be because they both played small Indiana football." Josh wasn't good because he didn't develop. That doesn't mean another small-school player will suffer the same fate.

Second, saying a small team would lose to a big team doesn't mean much, because there are always competitive outliers. Some 6A teams are garbage, and they're only 6A because of school population. Some 1A teams are powerhouses because they have small populations, but a high percentage of kids that attend specifically for football.

 

[BobbyMac]

This thread is tough to read.

What about a 10.97 100m LB don't some of you get???

I don't know Prister's track record but I do follow Jamie U at ISD and he's ok with him because like your friendly neighborhood Crusader, he knows #'s don't lie. (I am not Jamie U)

10.97

He has raw physical gifts that ND doesn't have at the position. Period.

It doesn't matter if he becomes a star, a starter, a part time contributor or a career depth guy / special teams player, you take a guy like this because his physical skillset is what Lea wants at Buck/Rover.

I know a lot of folks love Tristan Sinclair but he's a Stanford/Cal legacy and he can catch an Uber to either campus. His OV this weekend is 97.5% ceremonial per the Crusad-a-meter. Remember Austin Jones?

If ND can somehow land Kiser, Ekwonu, Henrich and Turner like Lucky mentioned, that is a perfect LB haul because all 4 are at least 2 position flexible. Kiser, Eckwonu and 1 of Henrich or Turner is still elite when you consider JGH, JOK, Simon, Lamb, Bo & Ovie have full careers ahead of them... and a couple of them will be "busts" per a few of you here because they aren't gonna be stars or starters. Well, when the recruiting machine is running at 100, 4.5+ star All Americans like Hunter Biven happen. And that's a good thing.

 

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

This thread is tough to read.

What about a 10.97 100m LB don't some of you get???

I don't know Prister's track record but I do follow Jamie U at ISD and he's ok with him because like your friendly neighborhood Crusader, he knows #'s don't lie. (I am not Jamie U)

10.97

He has raw physical gifts that ND doesn't have at the position. Period.

It doesn't matter if he becomes a star, a starter, a part time contributor or a career depth guy / special teams player, you take a guy like this because his physical skillset is what Lea wants at Buck/Rover.

I know a lot of folks love Tristan Sinclair but he's a Stanford/Cal legacy and he can catch an Uber to either campus. His OV this weekend is 97.5% ceremonial per the Crusad-a-meter. Remember Austin Jones?

If ND can somehow land Kiser, Ekwonu, Henrich and Turner like Lucky mentioned, that is a perfect LB haul because all 4 are at least 2 position flexible. Kiser, Eckwonu and 1 of Henrich or Turner is still elite when you consider JGH, JOK, Simon, Lamb, Bo & Ovie have full careers ahead of them... and a couple of them will be "busts" per a few of you here because they aren't gonna be stars or starters. Well, when the recruiting machine is running at 100, 4.5+ star All Americans like Hunter Biven happen. And that's a good thing.

He is basically the same size as CJ Prosise was when he stepped onto campus; and with a slightly faster 100 meter time (with Kiser's senior year still to come).

 

[ulukinatme]

You guys like him. I wouldn't have taken him.

We'll see how he does, I won't forget 4 years from now.

I'm locking in my vote for All American now.

This guy is getting the anti-bod squad treatment. The curse is real, but so is the reverse.

 

[BeauBenken]

I get that nobody trusts 1A competition, but this guy would be the stud on campus at pretty much any school in this state.

Pioneer ranked #37 in the state regardless of class last year as well.

I can't stress this enough. I played 4A football, it is not that different from 1A football in Indiana. You just either have the dudes or you don't. The only places in this state where football really starts to change is in the big schools in/around Fort Wayne and Indy.

 

[arrowryan]

You guys like him. I wouldn't have taken him.

We'll see how he does, I won't forget 4 years from now.

No one is saying that he is a guaranteed stud or that he'll even be a starter. But sometimes I think we forget that we cheer for a team that is ALWAYS under the 85 player limit (self imposed sanctions) and us, as fans, get way too picky.

The kid has offers from schools I trust defensively in Notre Dame, MSU, and Iowa. I'm gonna trust Prister's evaluation over those schools? Not a chance.

I'm also tired of the staff slow playing recruits in the past and just having it bite them in the behind when its all said and done. Build a solid foundation (Kiser) and go after the bigger fish after.