'14 NY OT/SDE Jay Hayes (Notre Dame Signee)

[ND NYC]

that ben Affleck SNL skit re: keith olberman was hysterical!

 

[Domina Nostra]

He didn't have to dance around the issue since the offense was known by all. But he didn't have to put the punishment out there. That is my point. A simple statement that he would be addressed internally would have been the best way to go. It just opens too many doors when something more serious occurs. That's my whole argument here. If you speak of punishment for one are you going to speak of the punishment for all? I don't think so in more serious cases.

"Hayes violated team rules and will be addressed internally by the coaching staff." - BK

"So his tweets were a violation of team rules?" - media

"I am not here to discuss what I mean by violation of team rules. You, the media, can deduct what you want from that. I am also not here to discuss what the coaching staff feels is appropriate punishment. It will be handled internally by the coaching staff. Next question." - BK

"So, he is being punished for his tweets?" - media

"What part of my answer did you not understand? Next question." - BK

Pretty easy to me. And it gives BK the ability to answer the same way the next time if the incident involving a player is more serious.

That is EXACTLY how Saban would have handled it, no doubt. He is the Belichick of college football.

Obfuscation + open disdain for the media + targeted tirades against individuals = easier questions with less follow-up.

 

[Irish#1]

Okay, I think I've got this figured out. Some of you think BK could have handled it better and some of you think he handled it correctly. Am I right?

 

[ND NYC]

That is EXACTLY how Saban would have handled it, no doubt. He is the Belichick of college football.

Obfuscation + open disdain for the media + targeted tirades against individuals = easier questions with less follow-up.

easy to do with a bunch of nattys on the resume...

 

[stlnd01]

Did Jay get into the game? How did he do he anyone remembers?

Was looking for him in garbage time when all the other DLs got in. Didn't see him despite Moukwah & Blankenship getting multiple series. Maybe I missed him, and no idea about special teams. But if he didn't, dude's either really buried on the depth chart, seriously being redshirted, or suspended for those tweets despite Kelly saying otherwise.

 

[GoldenToTheGrave]

Was looking for him in garbage time when all the other DLs got in. Didn't see him despite Moukwah & Blankenship getting multiple series. Maybe I missed him, and no idea about special teams. But if he didn't, dude's either really buried on the depth chart, seriously being redshirted, or suspended for those tweets despite Kelly saying otherwise.

Not the same positions (1 tech and SDE)

 

[stlnd01]

Not the same positions (1 tech and SDE)

Yes, I'm aware they don't play the same position, especially as they were on the field at the same time, along with, I think, Bonner. My point was that seemingly every defensive lineman who isn't a true freshman - and maybe even some of them - saw the field Saturday except for Hayes. Which makes me wonder if there isn't a bigger plan at work here - either a redshirt or a suspension.

 

[Sherm Sticky]

'14 NY OT/SDE Jay Hayes (Notre Dame Signee)

Yes, I'm aware they don't play the same position, especially as they were on the field at the same time, along with, I think, Bonner. My point was that seemingly every defensive lineman who isn't a true freshman - and maybe even some of them - saw the field Saturday except for Hayes. Which makes me wonder if there isn't a bigger plan at work here - either a redshirt or a suspension.

It's been mentioned on this board repeatedly and by coach Kelly that the plan is to redshirt Hayes this year.


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[ResLife Hero]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Jay Hayes is on the right path to a strong "end game."<br><br>Free Story via <a href="https://twitter.com/BGI_LouSomogyi">@BGI_LouSomogyi</a>: <a href="https://t.co/QPnwsG3nT6">https://t.co/QPnwsG3nT6</a> <a href="https://t.co/jop5GqcVAj">pic.twitter.com/jop5GqcVAj</a></p>— BlueandGold.com (@BGInews) <a href="https://twitter.com/BGInews/status/719507984246829056">April 11, 2016</a></blockquote>
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[BeauBenken]

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Bet you think you're clever, Lou Somogyi, you little shit.

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[Veritate Duce Progredi]

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Very good story.

 

[Sherm Sticky]

'14 NY OT/SDE Jay Hayes (Notre Dame Signee)

Thought he played well today at DE. Surprisingly quick. Think he had a sack as he chased Malik out of bounds.


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[Domina Nostra]

Thought he played well today at DE. Surprisingly quick. Think he had a sack as he chased Malik or of bounds.


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I agree, but he really looked good on his high school tape as well. He earned his ranking.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

Thought he played well today at DE. Surprisingly quick. Think he had a sack as he chased Malik out of bounds.


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And he had a play where he fought to keep outside contain, which I thought was one of the best defensive plays of the day. Also, I saw his line performance overall, near the top.

This kid should start. If he ramps up over the summer, he could be dangerous.

Actually I thought the front of Hayes, Jones, Tillery and Rochell was pretty stout all day. And I thought Rochell was a rock, because he played against Big Mike and monster Q all day.

 

[Sherm Sticky]

And he had a play where he fought to keep outside contain, which I thought was one of the best defensive plays of the day. Also, I saw his line performance overall, near the top.



This kid should start. If he ramps up over the summer, he could be dangerous.



Actually I thought the front of Hayes, Jones, Tillery and Rochell was pretty stout all day. And I thought Rochell was a rock, because he played against Big Mike and monster Q all day.

I'll throw out a crazy idea. Move Rochelle to 3 technique and start Trumbetti and Hayes at DE.

 

[Shamrock Theories]

I'll throw out a crazy idea. Move Rochelle to 3 technique and start Trumbetti and Hayes at DE.

They already said Issac will move inside in passing situations. Could be a gateway to your proposal

 

[Sherm Sticky]

They already said Issac will move inside in passing situations. Could be a gateway to your proposal

True. One reason that would prevent this on every down would be the lack of depth at DE I suppose. On pass rush downs it makes sense though.

 

[ResLife Hero]

ND A-to-Z: Jay Hayes - Notre Dame - Scout

 

[woolybug25]

ND A-to-Z: Jay Hayes - Notre Dame - Scout

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Meet Notre Dame’s replacement for Romeo Okwara. In a surprise move, Hayes shifted from defensive tackle to weak side end during spring practice, jumping into a competition with Andrew Trumbetti. This is the position where Okwara led Notre Dame in sacks last season, which doesn’t seem like Hayes’ game on paper. But a starting job is there to be won and Hayes might not have a better opportunity than this with three years of eligibility remaining.

The irony here is that the staff's best eligibility management scenario is replacing their worst. I wish we had Okwara this season. But hopefully Hayes can have a breakout year. Kinda crazy that he has three years of eligibility.

 

[arrowryan]

Per 247, if the season were to start today, the starting defensive line would be Hayes-Tillery-Jones-Rochell.

First of all, congrats to Jay Hayes for making big strides this offseason. This is shaping up to be another very clever position switch made by Kelly. But wtf is going on, Trumbetti? With the emergence of of Jay Hayes and the freakish ability of Daelin Hayes, Andrew's opportunities are getting smaller and smaller. Unless he does something this year, he might have to be considered a bust.

 

[TheChosen1]

Per 247, if the season were to start today, the starting defensive line would be Hayes-Tillery-Jones-Rochell.

First of all, congrats to Jay Hayes for making big strides this offseason. This is shaping up to be another very clever position switch made by Kelly. But wtf is going on, Trumbetti? With the emergence of of Jay Hayes and the freakish ability of Daelin Hayes, Andrew's opportunities are getting smaller and smaller. Unless he does something this year, he might have to be considered a bust.

Trumbetti misses his run gap assignment

 

[IrishLion]

Unless he does something this year, he might have to be considered a bust.

I get the spirit of your post, but I hate labelling a kid "might be a bust" when he hasn't even started his junior season.

He's been a semi-regular contributor as a freshman/sophomore, and he's made some nice plays here and there in spot duty. Its just my opinion, but that already absolves him of any "bust" label.

Let's at least pump the breaks on potential/preemptive criticism over a single, solitary report that Jay Hayes would be the starter it the season started today lol.

 

[arrowryan]

I get the spirit of your post, but I hate labelling a kid "might be a bust" when he hasn't even started his junior season.

He's been a semi-regular contributor as a freshman/sophomore, and he's made some nice plays here and there in spot duty. Its just my opinion, but that already absolves him of any "bust" label.

Let's at least pump the breaks on potential/preemptive the criticism over a single, solitary report that Jay Hayes would be the starter it the season started today lol.

If Hayes had came into ND as a WDE and has been there ever since, then I would completely agree with you. But the fact that he has never played the position before at a high level and has a strong chance of beating out a guy that has played since day 1 doesn't sound good for Andrew. There are have been some really positive reports on Jay saying he's looked great but holy shit, Andrew better start playing with a sense of urgency because the better Hayes and Okwara will be breathing down his neck soon too

 

[woolybug25]

If Hayes had came into ND as a WDE and has been there ever since, then I would completely agree with you. But the fact that he has never played the position before at a high level and has a strong chance of beating out a guy that has played since day 1 doesn't sound good for Andrew. There are have been some really positive reports on Jay saying he's looked great but holy shit, Andrew better start playing with a sense of urgency because the better Hayes and Okwara will be breathing down his neck soon too

It's July homie. Relax.

 

[JD Irish]

Per 247, if the season were to start today, the starting defensive line would be Hayes-Tillery-Jones-Rochell.

That's literally a defensive line composed entirely of interior players...

 

[ND Fan Vancouver]

That's literally a defensive line composed entirely of interior players...

This is true. Gotta think our run D should will be stout but not a ton of pass rush from our WDE unit in a speed rush type but if the indications are true, a healthy dose of a rotating Daelin plus some exotic blitzes paired up with some bull rush type stuff out of Rochell/ Hayes/ Trimbetti and I'd say we should be in good shape on that area. A lot better than last year anyhow. I certainly think the Trumbetti "bust" talk and Hayes starting talk is premature but it's a long offseason and everyone is chomping at the bit to know how this team is shaping up.
Go Irish

 

[arrowryan]

That's literally a defensive line composed entirely of interior players...

The only time Rochell plays in the interior is in obvious passing situations. In any other situation, he is a SDE and a damn good one at that. Jay Hayes just moves to WDE, where he seems to have found a home there.

 

[ND Fan Vancouver]

The only time Rochell plays in the interior is in obvious passing situations. In any other situation, he is a SDE and a damn good one at that. Jay Hayes just moves to WDE, where he seems to have found a home there.

Yep. Rochell is a beast. My breakout players predictions for this year are Rochell, Tranquil, Redfield, Alize, and HOPEFULLY (for the sake of our defense) Nyles Morgan. This is Rochell's senior year. He'll probably be a captain and certainly be the leader on our defensive line. I think he tears it up this year with a lot of tackles and gets disruptive in the backfield and then getting drafted in the 2-3 round. That's what my sketchy crystal ball says anyhow. Haha

 

[IrishLax]

Personally, I've long felt that what we need to be successful is to commit to a huge, physical DL where the emphasis is not on "rushing the passer" but rather physically dominating the OL and stopping the run. Our run defense -- not our pass defense -- is really what got us killed last year, despite all the breakdowns in coverage thanks primarily to bad safety play.

If you line up your four most physical guys, they might not generate QB hurries like Joey Bosa, but they will clog running lanes and on passing downs they'll often physically collapse the pocket. Then when you want pressure, you dial up blitzes from various LB positions... something BVG's defense is actually well designed to do. Also, on 3rd down, you can run a sub package to get pass rushers on the field (Daelin Hayes, Trumbetti, etc.) that will be fresh.

The problem is that this type of defense puts tons of pressure on your DBs to cover on 1st and 2nd down, and our DBs haven't really shown the ability to do that, especially with the issues at safety. The reason why Bama has been able to so successfully play a 3-4 where they don't rely on the "3" for pass rush is because they're typically loaded at DB... so they force teams into 3rd and long, and then when they try to throw they get a lot of negative plays and turnovers.

Anyways, I support a move by the coaches to make us as strong as possible against the run given that the toughest teams we will play this year (Stanford, USC, MSU, Texas) are all going to rely heavily on running the ball.

 

[koonja]

If true, Trumbetti could get passed by two younger Hayes. Hope he finds a way to be a player, because ideally Jay Hayes would take Rochelle's spot next year, and Hayes/Trumbetti run the week side next year.