MSU beating Iowa was very bad for ND

[IrishLax]

First of all, MSU is in the playoffs. Which gives them a selling point over the other 3 Midwest powers. We're in a tight race for a number of very good prospects with MSU, and we used to blow them away in recruiting.

Second of all, if MSU loses that game we get to play them and their fraud of a team. We likely handle them. Much easier matchup for us with their terrible, boring, vanilla offense.

Third of all, it sends Ohio State to the Rose Bowl, where a win or a loss against Stanford is net neutral... whereas Stanford destroying #5 (I can't even say that with a straight face) Iowa also hurts us in recruiting.

Basically, Iowa and MSU might as well have conspired to give us the worst post-season situation imaginable. I will be rooting for Bama, and rooting hard.

 

[gkIrish]

Best coach in America, Mark D'Antonio

 

[IrishLax]

Best coach in America, Mark D'Antonio

I've always thought he is much more lucky than good. Now I'm really starting to doubt that premise, because I just don't understand how consistently wins so many close games with such a mediocre team. Anyone who has watched them play this year would think it's an also-ran quality squad like a Pitt or Mississippi State.

 

[gkIrish]

I've always thought he is much more lucky than good. Now I'm really starting to doubt that premise, because I just don't understand how consistently wins so many close games with such a mediocre team. Anyone who has watched them play this year would think it's an also-ran quality squad like a Pitt or Mississippi State.

I became a believer in Mark when they beat OSU in the Big 10 championship a couple years ago. He consistently outcoaches every opponent. He consistently develops 3 star talent into 5 star performers. Look at their RBs in the NFL. CBs are great, too.

They have won 10+ games in something like 5 of the last 6 seasons. They play GREAT out of conference opponents every single year (ND, Oregon, Boise St.) plus they seem to show up every bowl game. I can't remember the last time they played poorly on national television at night (against ND a couple years ago?)

 

[ThePiombino]

Michigan's punter is the ONLY reason we're having this convo about Dantonio right now. If not for a 1 in 10,000 play, MSU is on the outside looking in.

 

[ab2cmiller]

First of all, MSU is in the playoffs. Which gives them a selling point over the other 3 Midwest powers. We're in a tight race for a number of very good prospects with MSU, and we used to blow them away in recruiting.

Second of all, if MSU loses that game we get to play them and their fraud of a team. We likely handle them. Much easier matchup for us with their terrible, boring, vanilla offense.

Third of all, it sends Ohio State to the Rose Bowl, where a win or a loss against Stanford is net neutral... whereas Stanford destroying #5 (I can't even say that with a straight face) Iowa also hurts us in recruiting.

Basically, Iowa and MSU might as well have conspired to give us the worst post-season situation imaginable. I will be rooting for Bama, and rooting hard.

I think you are greatly exaggerating the effect on ND's recruiting.

First of all, MSU making it into the playoff will probably backfire for MSU from a recruiting perspective. They will have a ton of eyeballs on them when they get embarassed by Alabama. ND making it to the championship game against Bama actually hurt our recruiting because we were not competitive. At best we received no benefit to our recruiting by making it to the championship game.

Also, there actually is a chance that all of the teams that you were concerned about could actually lose given the current match ups. MSU will get hammered, Given Iowa's defense, I think they have a real shot against Stanford and then we just take care of business against Ohio State.

 

[JD Irish]

MSU has the head-to-head with OSU and won the Big Ten East. If Iowa beat MSU, MSU would still be ranked ahead of OSU and MSU would be in the Rose Bowl. It might have an effect on recruiting, but not our opponent in the Fiesta Bowl.

 

[GoldenToTheGrave]

I became a believer in Mark when they beat OSU in the Big 10 championship a couple years ago. He consistently outcoaches every opponent. He consistently develops 3 star talent into 5 star performers. Look at their RBs in the NFL. CBs are great, too.

They have won 10+ games in something like 5 of the last 6 seasons. They play GREAT out of conference opponents every single year (ND, Oregon, Boise St.) plus they seem to show up every bowl game. I can't remember the last time they played poorly on national television at night (against ND a couple years ago?)

Exactly. At minimum you can say that Dantonio has done more than Kelly has with less recruiting star-power.

Michigan's punter is the ONLY reason we're having this convo about Dantonio right now. If not for a 1 in 10,000 play, MSU is on the outside looking in.

So are we, and this is something of a down-year for MSU, and and up-year for us. Talk about glass houses.

 

[Wild Bill]

I can't remember the last time they played poorly on national television at night (against ND a couple years ago?)

Didn't OSU slap them around last year?

 

[gkIrish]

Michigan's punter is the ONLY reason we're having this convo about Dantonio right now. If not for a 1 in 10,000 play, MSU is on the outside looking in.

They also got hosed against Nebraska so it evens out. Either way they should be 12-1...

 

[gkIrish]

Didn't OSU slap them around last year?

They lost by 12. I guess you can call that a blowout but they were close through most of the 3rd quarter.

 

[yankeeND]

Isn't Kelly 3-1 against Dantonio and MSU?

 

[Henges24]

MSU has the head-to-head with OSU and won the Big Ten East. If Iowa beat MSU, MSU would still be ranked ahead of OSU and MSU would be in the Rose Bowl. It might have an effect on recruiting, but not our opponent in the Fiesta Bowl.

This. Iowa and MSU would trade places. ND would still be playing OSU.

 

[MNIrishman]

Isn't Kelly 3-1 against Dantonio and MSU?

Exactly. Dantonio has never outcoached BK.

 

[Henges24]

Isn't Kelly 3-1 against Dantonio and MSU?

4-0 if it wasn't for Little Giants

 

[yankeeND]

Exactly. Dantonio has never outcoached BK.

I think that Mark D is a great coach, but I also want to make sure that people don't forget that we have a great one of our own.

 

[IrishLax]

Isn't Kelly 3-1* against Dantonio and MSU?

Add an asterisk, because the only win they have is thanks to multiple blown calls.

 

[gkIrish]

Isn't Kelly 3-1 against Dantonio and MSU?

Exactly. Dantonio has never outcoached BK.

No one ever compared Brian Kelly to D'Antonio in this thread...what's your point? That BK is the best coach in America?

 

[woolybug25]

Add an asterisk, because the only win they have is thanks to a play called Little Giants, and the fact that Dantonio waited to have a heart attack until after he called it...

fixed

 

[woolybug25]

Also... they shouldn't have won that game anyway. The playclock had run out.

 

[arrowryan]

I'm glad we are playing OSU because OSU is a much better measuring stick than Iowa or MSU in my opinion. If we can't beat OSU then we really didn't deserve to be in the playoff and this ND team could probably be labeled as a fraud (especially if they get waxed by OSU).

If MSU can beat them on the road with a back up QB that threw 2 passes in the 2nd half, then there is no doubt in my mind Notre Dame can do the same

 

[yankeeND]

Add an asterisk, because the only win they have is thanks to multiple blown calls.

This. Program wise for us, the last win against MSU might be our best one under Kelly as well considering that they ended the season ranked 2nd in the nation. Gotta give Kelly some props for that. Hopefully he can do the same to Meyer.

 

[Teomonsternd]

First of all, MSU is in the playoffs. Which gives them a selling point over the other 3 Midwest powers. We're in a tight race for a number of very good prospects with MSU, and we used to blow them away in recruiting.

Second of all, if MSU loses that game we get to play them and their fraud of a team. We likely handle them. Much easier matchup for us with their terrible, boring, vanilla offense.

Third of all, it sends Ohio State to the Rose Bowl, where a win or a loss against Stanford is net neutral... whereas Stanford destroying #5 (I can't even say that with a straight face) Iowa also hurts us in recruiting.

Basically, Iowa and MSU might as well have conspired to give us the worst post-season situation imaginable. I will be rooting for Bama, and rooting hard.

Chicken Little, stop with the sky is falling rants. All 3 of your points are factually incorrect.

1. Michigan State getting the $hit kicked out of them by Alabama will not be a strong selling point to recruits. 9 times out of 10, Alabama will beat MSU in a laugher. It will take ridiculous luck for them to stay in the game.

2. We would not have played MSU. As you can see, the loser of the game stayed above OSU and went to the Rose. Nothing would be different.

3. Your second and third point are the same statement. Both are factually incorrect. I hope recruits don't read your posts.

 

[IrishLax]

Also... they shouldn't have won that game anyway. The playclock had run out.

And they missed blatant OPI. We actually had the play covered, and then they trucked the DBs covering the receivers. So not only did they fail to get the play off, but then the refs let them cheat-code their way to a TD.

 

[BeauBenken]

They lost by 12. I guess you can call that a blowout but they were close through most of the 3rd quarter.

Slightly out of context, but weren't you arguing the exact opposite like a week ago in favor of Ohio State? That the Buckeyes HAD blown out opponents even though they had really just gotten their double digit lead in the 4th?

Sorry if it wasn't you, and even if it was, I'm not really trying to call you out. Just noting inconsistences. When did you become a Big Ten fan? Haha

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[phork]

First of all, MSU is in the playoffs. Which gives them a selling point over the other 3 Midwest powers. We're in a tight race for a number of very good prospects with MSU, and we used to blow them away in recruiting.

Second of all, if MSU loses that game we get to play them and their fraud of a team. We likely handle them. Much easier matchup for us with their terrible, boring, vanilla offense.

Third of all, it sends Ohio State to the Rose Bowl, where a win or a loss against Stanford is net neutral... whereas Stanford destroying #5 (I can't even say that with a straight face) Iowa also hurts us in recruiting.

Basically, Iowa and MSU might as well have conspired to give us the worst post-season situation imaginable. I will be rooting for Bama, and rooting hard.

I would never ever ever cheer for an SEC team. EVER. If ND takes care of business and beats OSU thats all the recruiting cred we need.

I've always thought he is much more lucky than good. Now I'm really starting to doubt that premise, because I just don't understand how consistently wins so many close games with such a mediocre team. Anyone who has watched them play this year would think it's an also-ran quality squad like a Pitt or Mississippi State.

Sorry man but the man takes 2 and 3 star kids and churns out NFL prospects. He is easily in the top5 of coaching with each of the top5 cycling up and down within that group. Saban & Meyer definitely, Stoops. Can't really think of any others that would fit that. We'll see what Harbaugh does at Michigan, his shelf life is down to 4 years I believe and while the cupboards were a little less than bare they should have had 2 more Ls this year.

 

[IrishLax]

Chicken Little, stop with the sky is falling rants. All 3 of your points are factually incorrect.

1. Michigan State getting the $hit kicked out of them by Alabama will not be a strong selling point to recruits. 9 times out of 10, Alabama will beat MSU in a laugher. It will take ridiculous luck for them to stay in the game.

2. We would not have played MSU. As you can see, the loser of the game stayed above OSU and went to the Rose. Nothing would be different.

3. Your second and third point are the same statement. Both are factually incorrect. I hope recruits don't read your posts.

I don't think you understand the word "factual" or the word "incorrect."

You first point has a hilarious amount of assumptions, and more importantly if you don't think Dantonio is in-home with Hayes and Corley saying "we're in the playoffs, we won the Big Ten. None of the other teams can say that." You're crazy. They have a clear-cut card to play over ND, OSU, and Michigan.

Your second point is quite obviously incorrect. A 2-loss MSU is not going to stay ahead of a 1-loss Ohio State that they barely beat. The reason a 1-loss Iowa stayed up where they did is because exactly that... they have 1-loss. Stanford is where they are strictly because they have the conference championship to hang their hat on.

Your third point isn't a point. So, yeah... good effort?

 

[yankeeND]

No one ever compared Brian Kelly to D'Antonio in this thread...what's your point? That BK is the best coach in America?

Well you said Dantonio was, and I disagree. Saban is the best coach in America. Don't get so defensive. Other people are allowed to have opinions too dude.

 

[woolybug25]

Well you said Dantonio was, and I disagree. Saban is the best coach in America. Don't get so defensive. Other people are allowed to have opinions too dude.

My vote would actually go to Urban Meyer, ha.

 

[BGIF]

Isn't Kelly 3-1 against Dantonio and MSU?

Yes, but Kelly can't coach and Dantonio is "Best Coach in America"

MSU won by 3 in Kelly's first year and hasn't won since. They lost by 18 points in '11, 17 points in '12, and 4 in '13. An average ND differential of +9. ND was their only loss in '13.

Dantonio's winning percentage against Kelly is 0.250 significantly worse than MSU's historical 0.370. Dantonio was 2-1 versus Weis.

MSU has replaced ND with the likes of Eastern Michigan, Wyoming, and Air Force.