'13 FL RB Greg Bryant (R.I.P.)

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So what you are saying is that on any play that Bryant is in the game the defense will know that its either a) a screen pass or rb flat b) a run? How is that any different from a defensive standpoint? They still stack the box and cheat safeties in either scenario. They know that we are either not going deep or missing a competent blocker and will get pressure. It's the same thing.

What's wrong with knowing it's a run or a pass? RB flat isn't the only route that would be ran. The defense would not know it's a run, which is all we're trying to accomplish if the isssue is tipping the defense off that it's a running play.
 

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So what you are saying is that on any play that Bryant is in the game the defense will know that its either a) a screen pass or rb flat b) a run? How is that any different from a defensive standpoint? They still stack the box and cheat safeties in either scenario. They know that we are either not going deep or missing a competent blocker and will get pressure. It's the same thing.

You are missing a pass play in which the play action is used or 3-5 step drops. We use these all the time anyway so it is not a key because Bryant is in the game. We would do the same things while folston is in the game. We DID the same things while Folston was in the game.

A key would be putting Cam in on passing plays if you want to talk about tipping the defense.

They are cheating the safeties all game because they think that they can get to golson quick enough to disrupt him and/or cause a turnover. This happened all year, not because of Bryant being in on any given play.

In fact, if you put Bryant in on some swing plays(or put folston out there-doesn't matter), half of those sacks are 3-5 yard gains. A 210 rb blocking a 240 linebacker with a running start is not a winning matchup for the offense in any circumstance.

A 240 LB chasing a 210 rb on a lot of plays is a winning matchup for the offense.

There are very few running backs that can actually pass block, in college and even the NFL. The name of the game is to hit the LB and hold it for 1-2 seconds in order for the QB to get the ball out of his hands. Bryant can surely do that.

The blitz pickup was confusing to the whole team for a little while. I remember the o-line letting the MLB blitz the a gap on multiple occasions and expecting the rb to pick it up. After the game, Kelly said that was not a great idea and they needed to change that.

A blitz off the edge is much easier to stall because the rb knows exactly where it is coming from. This may be more of a oline/qb/coach problem than a rb blocking problem.

Don't you agree?
 

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I think the 'GB sucks at pass blocking' and 'Cam and Folston are great at it' is the biggest misconception ever. I am not saying GB is good at it, but Cam got Golson killed multiple times this year. Not so sure about Folston, but neither of them are great pass blockers.

Bottom line is, a coach like Urban would find a way to get a player like Bryant on the field. He's in year 2. If you insist on him being a 6th lineman, then you should have him ready by now. Or use him in the flats. Or just feed him the rock.

There's ways to get the players to play.

If Cam got Golson killed multiple times, Folston and Bryant got him killed on a plethora of plays. I can think of one game where Cam made a couple mistakes, but over the entire season he was easily the best pass blocker among the three. You can't be weak with pass blocking in a BK offense. He wants to sling the ball around a lot, so you better be good at picking up blitzes.
 

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I have been looking at all of these posts over the last couple of days, and I think both sides of the argument are right. Yes, GB needs to figure out how to play in this particular scheme (assuming he's not), but yes a great coach maximizes his players talents and puts him positions to succeed. (The only coaches who sit the "better player" because of personal feelings, are fired ones)
1 possible comparison I could think of:
Watching the National title game I came away with a few observations on Ezekiel Elliot.
1. He's a load and runs with great power.
2. He runs zone well and stays within his running lanes
3. I have no idea how good his hands are, does that not make him a complete back?
4. I have no idea how his pass blocking ability is, didn't need to see much of it.
5. Most importantly Urbie put him in a position to succeed all night long! (Play calling etc.)

I hate to give that dude any credit anytime, but he did a great job this year after the VT game. He circled the wagons, and won the games he was supposed to and then won two that most think he should not have.

only one I had was...didn't we have a really good chance to land this guy?
 

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Ezekiel Elliot is a liability in pass pro for Ohio State.

He did okay this year even so.

It's possible to involve a guy, even if the defense knows what his weaknesses are and what might be coming.
 

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only one I had was...didn't we have a really good chance to land this guy?

Elliott and Taylor Decker OSU
D Allen, C French, E Armistead C Nelson, and B Marshall- Oregon

Hey at least we are on the right track :)
 

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My take, the staff completely screwed the pooch with Max and Greg... Get your studs on the field, no excuses.
 

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I think the 'GB sucks at pass blocking' and 'Cam and Folston are great at it' is the biggest misconception ever. I am not saying GB is good at it, but Cam got Golson killed multiple times this year. Not so sure about Folston, but neither of them are great pass blockers.

Bottom line is, a coach like Urban would find a way to get a player like Bryant on the field. He's in year 2. If you insist on him being a 6th lineman, then you should have him ready by now. Or use him in the flats. Or just feed him the rock.

There's ways to get the players to play.

Agree....Folston is still learning to take guys straight on. Cam will take them straight on, but lacks some power to straighten them up.
 

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The pass protection from GB wasn't great this year, but the thing that I didn't like most about him is that he always seemed to be looking to hit the home run. He danced way too much in the backfield. If he would hit the hole and go, the home run will eventually happen.
 

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The pass protection from GB wasn't great this year, but the thing that I didn't like most about him is that he always seemed to be looking to hit the home run. He danced way too much in the backfield. If he would hit the hole and go, the home run will eventually happen.

People seem to forget that when blaming the coaches for not playing him. There was a game early in the year that he did get carries, and he did return kicks, and people were LIVID at his happy feet and his inability to stick his foot in the ground and go. He had a chance to shine and he blew it.

Fortunately, he showed some flashes at the end of the year. But I get why people want to see him more. But I also get why the coaches hesitated to put him in early in the year. And once Folston got going, it became harder for them to find GB touches. And trust me on this...kid has an ego and expects the ball a lot (normal). But he bitches about it a lot, and the coaches don't want to hear that.

Having said that, I think they should have gotten him the ball more at the end of the year. Assuming his attitude wasn't pathetically poor, I would have liked to have seen him with the rock more. See what he could do. But that's been a criticism of mine the past few years under Kelly. I don't understand why freshmen RB's all over the nation just kill it, but guys like Folston and GB could barely see the field. I understand the need to able to pass-block and know the playbook, but if your best offensive athletes aren't on the field bc the playbook is too tough for them to pick up, then IMHO you need to scale it down so they get it. I'm a big BK fan, but that really bothered me in 2013...
 

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People seem to forget that when blaming the coaches for not playing him. There was a game early in the year that he did get carries, and he did return kicks, and people were LIVID at his happy feet and his inability to stick his foot in the ground and go. He had a chance to shine and he blew it.

Fortunately, he showed some flashes at the end of the year. But I get why people want to see him more. But I also get why the coaches hesitated to put him in early in the year. And once Folston got going, it became harder for them to find GB touches. And trust me on this...kid has an ego and expects the ball a lot (normal). But he bitches about it a lot, and the coaches don't want to hear that.

Having said that, I think they should have gotten him the ball more at the end of the year. Assuming his attitude wasn't pathetically poor, I would have liked to have seen him with the rock more. See what he could do. But that's been a criticism of mine the past few years under Kelly. I don't understand why freshmen RB's all over the nation just kill it, but guys like Folston and GB could barely see the field. I understand the need to able to pass-block and know the playbook, but if your best offensive athletes aren't on the field bc the playbook is too tough for them to pick up, then IMHO you need to scale it down so they get it. I'm a big BK fan, but that really bothered me in 2013...

His lack of PT irritated me as well just as the lack of PT that Max Redfield had the year before.
 

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LA, I could not agree with you more!!!! They found a way to get Jaylon on the field his Freshmen camp@campaign......no reason whatsoever that GB and Max weren't seeing more reps, and for Max to miss what, most if two games this season to teach him a lesson while Tranquil is frequently out of position, and getting beat.......badly?????
 

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You've said this repeatedly and your avatar is what I presume to be a dancing Swayze or Jean-Claude Van Damme?, are you trolling? Or do you really think GB is a good dancer?

"The South Bend 2 step"

Definitely Van Damme, it's from Kickboxer I think:
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'13 FL RB Greg Bryant (Notre Dame Signed LOI)

'13 FL RB Greg Bryant (Notre Dame Signed LOI)

You've said this repeatedly and your avatar is what I presume to be a dancing Swayze or Jean-Claude Van Damme?, are you trolling? Or do you really think GB is a good dancer?


I don't want to live on a planet that has people who confuse Swayze with Van Damme.....from a dancing standpoint, Swayze dominates. From a fighting standpoint, Swayze dominates even more. My delicate sensibilities are beyond repair now!
 

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I don't want to live on a planet that has people who confuse Swayze with Van Damme.....from a dancing standpoint, Swayze dominates. From a fighting standpoint, Swayze dominates even more. My delicate sensibilities are beyond repair now!

don't forget that Swayze's ability to form pottery is second to none.
 

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I don't want to live on a planet that has people who confuse Swayze with Van Damme.....from a dancing standpoint, Swayze dominates. From a fighting standpoint, Swayze dominates even more. My delicate sensibilities are beyond repair now!

Were you ever a bouncer?

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anyone have some details.

hope he sticks around and eventually maures enough to help the team out and get some positive press instead of the negative that seems to follow him.

wow....how big was it to break in cj this spring at RB
 
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First my apologies to Justin Brent.

Well at least whom ever started this rumor got the "B" part right. Not much else!

Not a starter? Greg is an impact player! And
J versus G? Okay!
 

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This totally sux. I had high hopes for him this year! Hopefully he can learn and grow and compete even harder when he comes back. This guy has the potential to really be something special.
 
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