'15 FL OLB Te'Von Coney (Notre Dame Early Enrollee)

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

Are you satisfied with defensive recruiting over the past few years?

I guess you could say, All Is Well

 

[calvegas04]

Better him being at that game than watching ND right?

 

[BeauBenken]

Are you satisfied with defensive recruiting over the past few years?

He's probably sick of Lax acting like chicken little.

 

[irishff1014]

If he is going to jump ship at least ways it won't be exact last min so we might be able to fill his spot with quality soon.

 

[tko]

If he is going to jump ship at least ways it won't be exact last min so we might be able to fill his spot with quality soon.

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[connor_in]

Quick question...

He was at the game, but was it a "visit" or did he just go to a game?

 

[stlnd01]

Dude went to a game. I'd actually be more worried about whoever Florida hires to replace Muschamp calling him up with a sales pitch. Either way, still a fight for this one.

 

[TheTurningPoint]

Are you satisfied with defensive recruiting over the past few years?

Im actually pretty satisfied with the defensive recruiting over the last few years. Could it be better? Sure. But Notre Dame isnt Alabama, lets not kid ourselves.

Notre Dame has gotten plenty of talent to be successful and that is why you saw the success at the beginning of the year.

What you are seeing now is freshman and sophomores hitting the wall and adapting to college football. This isnt high school where they are the best player each week on the field, right now the season is taking its toll mentally and physcially on them. It happens to every freshman and Notre Dame is just in a spot where they are playing so many freshman.

I think that is part of the lack of execution and mental mistakes. Its not the talent level or lack of recruiting at one spot in my opinion. Yes, I think ND missed out on LB in 2012 but 2012 was one of the worst LB classes in recent memory.

Recruiting is fine and ND is doing a heck of a job at it right now.

 

[NDdomer2]

Im actually pretty satisfied with the defensive recruiting over the last few years. Could it be better? Sure. But Notre Dame isnt Alabama, lets not kid ourselves.

Notre Dame has gotten plenty of talent to be successful and that is why you saw the success at the beginning of the year.

What you are seeing now is freshman and sophomores hitting the wall and adapting to college football. This isnt high school where they are the best player each week on the field, right now the season is taking its toll mentally and physcially on them. It happens to every freshman and Notre Dame is just in a spot where they are playing so many freshman.

I think that is part of the lack of execution and mental mistakes. Its not the talent level or lack of recruiting at one spot in my opinion. Yes, I think ND missed out on LB in 2012 but 2012 was one of the worst LB classes in recent memory.

Recruiting is fine and ND is doing a heck of a job at it right now.

the K.O.D. the decommits are gonna start flying in, THANKS TP

 

[IRISHMAN]

Notre Dame has gotten plenty of talent to be successful and that is why you saw the success at the beginning of the year.

I just figured it was because we played rice, Michigan, purdue and Syracuse.

 

[Irish#1]

Im actually pretty satisfied with the defensive recruiting over the last few years. Could it be better? Sure. But Notre Dame isnt Alabama, lets not kid ourselves.

Notre Dame has gotten plenty of talent to be successful and that is why you saw the success at the beginning of the year.

What you are seeing now is freshman and sophomores hitting the wall and adapting to college football. This isnt high school where they are the best player each week on the field, right now the season is taking its toll mentally and physcially on them. It happens to every freshman and Notre Dame is just in a spot where they are playing so many freshman.

I think that is part of the lack of execution and mental mistakes. Its not the talent level or lack of recruiting at one spot in my opinion. Yes, I think ND missed out on LB in 2012 but 2012 was one of the worst LB classes in recent memory.

Recruiting is fine and ND is doing a heck of a job at it right now.

I posted this same thing a few days back. It's more noticeable because we have more freshmen playing rather than one.

 

[RDU Irish]

I'm liking this LB class. Area of need being addressed very nicely.

 

[TheTurningPoint]

I just figured it was because we played rice, Michigan, purdue and Syracuse.

Sure that helps. But you add in actual academics, social life, practice, film, extra film, workouts, gameday at Notre Dame, travel and then the game itself.....its a complete 180 from what they were doing in high school.

Some of the kids went to good academic high schools but going to from high school to any college is a significant change.

Its just part of the process that all young kids go through and the Sophomores are just adjusting to their bodies being more beat up.

Its nothing to worry about and will pay off in the future. It is also not an excuse for why they are losing bc they can fight through and take advantage of other strengths. But its a large part of the inconsistent play on D.

 

[IrishJayhawk]

I hit a wall around this time my freshman year. And I wasn't on TV every week.

 

[greyhammer90]

I hit a wall around this time my freshman year. And I wasn't on TV every week.

Yep. You're young, first year away, it's cold, it's almost thanksgiving, and you just want to go home.

 

[irishog77]

What are the reasons non-FR and SO's are playing bad?

The excuses/rationalizations for bad play on here are getting weird.

 

[ulukinatme]

What are the reasons non-FR and SO's are playing bad?

The excuses/rationalizations for bad play on here are getting weird.

They have to actually spend time writing papers now

 

[ThePiombino]

What are the reasons non-FR and SO's are playing bad?

The excuses/rationalizations for bad play on here are getting weird.

Great question.

 

[Buster Bluth]

What are the reasons non-FR and SO's are playing bad?

The excuses/rationalizations for bad play on here are getting weird.

An excuse is just a reason you don't want to view as legitimate. It's completely subjective, so right out of the gate it's as if you don't actually want an answer.

 

[Irish#1]

What are the reasons non-FR and SO's are playing bad?

The excuses/rationalizations for bad play on here are getting weird.

Are they? Most of the mistakes I see are from the pups.

 

[TheTurningPoint]

What are the reasons non-FR and SO's are playing bad?

The excuses/rationalizations for bad play on here are getting weird.

Jarron Jones - Needs consistency. Nothing new here. Kid balls at times, but other times is non existent. Pad level is his biggest weakness and he needs to lock in. Being 6'6 and a DT isnt the easiest thing, but if he can figure it out the sky is the limit.

Sheldon Day - I mean, I think hes playing well. He doesnt exactly have a backup, so obviously you would like him to have less snaps, but hes been productive. I guess he has a been disappointing in the pass rushing area, but hes also been productive at times.

Joe Schmidt - Just limited on the physical end. No the biggest, strongest, fastest or athletic guy on the field. He was playing at a high level, but struggled with getting proper depths on pass coverage, esp vs FSU. He couldnt get deep enough with his zones just based on watching the qb and not having "Nyles Morgan" athletic ability.

Justin Utupo - He has exceeded all expectations from my viewpoint. Any productive snaps from him is a win for Notre Dame. He struggled with being a proper weight during his time at Notre Dame and is a 4-3 guy more than a 3-4. I dont think you can be disappointed in his play.

Anthony Rabasa - His excuse/reason would be poor development. Not sure if he wants to be great or he was maxed out as he came into college. He has never really broken into the rotation so Ill chalk it up to poor development to the coaches.

Romeo Okwara- Struggled with contain. You can make a case for poor development, but this is his first year at defensive end as he was a CAT LB before.

Chase Hounshell/Ben Councell - Hurt for their careers. Councell coming back from an ACL injury has worked on Special Teams all year. Any snaps he can give on defensive is a luxury just with his injury. Hounshell clearly isnt healthy or he would be getting spot time on lack of depth alone.

Cody Riggs - Been productive. I have no complaints about his play this year. Made a pretty smooth transition after the transfer. Should bobble punts but I think anyone would bobble a few punts seeing 6-7 unblocked guys running at you. He needs to focus on the small things and of course get healthy.

Josh Atkinson- Taking a redshirt to transfer for a 5th.

Jalen Brown - Lack of talent. Dont think you can pin it on the coaches for lack of development. Had all the chances early in his career to rise up and get PT.

Austin Collinsworth - Hurt. Came back for one half and hurt again. Scoop n Score in his first game back from his second injury. Clearly not close to 100%. So his excuse for poor play in the essentially one game he has played is being hurt for 8.5 games.

Eilar Hardy- Hes a little behind the 8-ball with with being suspended for 8 games. Poor decision making off the field is the reason for his non-impact in 2014.

Matthias Farley - Cant go vertical. Played well at times. Lack of development in playing vertical and in space. Not 100% sure you can coach that other than keeping him in zones, but that is predicated by the offense.

I think thats all the defensive players. What is your rebuttal?

 

[pkt77242]

Jarron Jones - Needs consistency. Nothing new here. Kid balls at times, but other times is non existent. Pad level is his biggest weakness and he needs to lock in. Being 6'6 and a DT isnt the easiest thing, but if he can figure it out the sky is the limit.

Sheldon Day - I mean, I think hes playing well. He doesnt exactly have a backup, so obviously you would like him to have less snaps, but hes been productive. I guess he has a been disappointing in the pass rushing area, but hes also been productive at times.

Joe Schmidt - Just limited on the physical end. No the biggest, strongest, fastest or athletic guy on the field. He was playing at a high level, but struggled with getting proper depths on pass coverage, esp vs FSU. He couldnt get deep enough with his zones just based on watching the qb and not having "Nyles Morgan" athletic ability.

Justin Utupo - He has exceeded all expectations from my viewpoint. Any productive snaps from him is a win for Notre Dame. He struggled with being a proper weight during his time at Notre Dame and is a 4-3 guy more than a 3-4. I dont think you can be disappointed in his play.

Anthony Rabasa - His excuse/reason would be poor development. Not sure if he wants to be great or he was maxed out as he came into college. He has never really broken into the rotation so Ill chalk it up to poor development to the coaches.

Romeo Okwara- Struggled with contain. You can make a case for poor development, but this is his first year at defensive end as he was a CAT LB before.

Chase Hounshell/Ben Councell - Hurt for their careers. Councell coming back from an ACL injury has worked on Special Teams all year. Any snaps he can give on defensive is a luxury just with his injury. Hounshell clearly isnt healthy or he would be getting spot time on lack of depth alone.

Cody Riggs - Been productive. I have no complaints about his play this year. Made a pretty smooth transition after the transfer. Should bobble punts but I think anyone would bobble a few punts seeing 6-7 unblocked guys running at you. He needs to focus on the small things and of course get healthy.

Josh Atkinson- Taking a redshirt to transfer for a 5th.

Jalen Brown - Lack of talent. Dont think you can pin it on the coaches for lack of development. Had all the chances early in his career to rise up and get PT.

Austin Collinsworth - Hurt. Came back for one half and hurt again. Scoop n Score in his first game back from his second injury. Clearly not close to 100%. So his excuse for poor play in the essentially one game he has played is being hurt for 8.5 games.

Eilar Hardy- Hes a little behind the 8-ball with with being suspended for 8 games. Poor decision making off the field is the reason for his non-impact in 2014.

Matthias Farley - Cant go vertical. Played well at times. Lack of development in playing vertical and in space. Not 100% sure you can coach that other than keeping him in zones, but that is predicated by the offense.

I think thats all the defensive players. What is your rebuttal?

What is your take on Shumate as he is a junior and IMO has been one of the biggest disappointments this year.

 

[irishog77]

Jarron Jones - Needs consistency. Nothing new here. Kid balls at times, but other times is non existent. Pad level is his biggest weakness and he needs to lock in. Being 6'6 and a DT isnt the easiest thing, but if he can figure it out the sky is the limit.

Sheldon Day - I mean, I think hes playing well. He doesnt exactly have a backup, so obviously you would like him to have less snaps, but hes been productive. I guess he has a been disappointing in the pass rushing area, but hes also been productive at times.

Joe Schmidt - Just limited on the physical end. No the biggest, strongest, fastest or athletic guy on the field. He was playing at a high level, but struggled with getting proper depths on pass coverage, esp vs FSU. He couldnt get deep enough with his zones just based on watching the qb and not having "Nyles Morgan" athletic ability.

Justin Utupo - He has exceeded all expectations from my viewpoint. Any productive snaps from him is a win for Notre Dame. He struggled with being a proper weight during his time at Notre Dame and is a 4-3 guy more than a 3-4. I dont think you can be disappointed in his play.

Anthony Rabasa - His excuse/reason would be poor development. Not sure if he wants to be great or he was maxed out as he came into college. He has never really broken into the rotation so Ill chalk it up to poor development to the coaches.

Romeo Okwara- Struggled with contain. You can make a case for poor development, but this is his first year at defensive end as he was a CAT LB before.

Chase Hounshell/Ben Councell - Hurt for their careers. Councell coming back from an ACL injury has worked on Special Teams all year. Any snaps he can give on defensive is a luxury just with his injury. Hounshell clearly isnt healthy or he would be getting spot time on lack of depth alone.

Cody Riggs - Been productive. I have no complaints about his play this year. Made a pretty smooth transition after the transfer. Should bobble punts but I think anyone would bobble a few punts seeing 6-7 unblocked guys running at you. He needs to focus on the small things and of course get healthy.

Josh Atkinson- Taking a redshirt to transfer for a 5th.

Jalen Brown - Lack of talent. Dont think you can pin it on the coaches for lack of development. Had all the chances early in his career to rise up and get PT.

Austin Collinsworth - Hurt. Came back for one half and hurt again. Scoop n Score in his first game back from his second injury. Clearly not close to 100%. So his excuse for poor play in the essentially one game he has played is being hurt for 8.5 games.

Eilar Hardy- Hes a little behind the 8-ball with with being suspended for 8 games. Poor decision making off the field is the reason for his non-impact in 2014.

Matthias Farley - Cant go vertical. Played well at times. Lack of development in playing vertical and in space. Not 100% sure you can coach that other than keeping him in zones, but that is predicated by the offense.

I think thats all the defensive players. What is your rebuttal?

Seems like a myriad of reasons. Some surely objective, and some much more subjective. Some player related and some coaching related.

I'd say the same would be true of FR and SO's-- a myriad of reasons, some objective, and some subjective, and some player related, and some coaching related.

I think creating a talking point about how these guys are away from home and adjusting to college life (while true) is probably about 65th on any reasoning for bad play. It's no where near the factor talent, ability, discipline, scheme, coaching, conditioning, film study, practice habits, etc. are. So I think it's just an excuse or a rationalization fans use to try and tangibly describe something.



Thoughtful and thorough breakdown of the players listed though. Appreciated. Reps.

 

[IrishFaninTX]

I think it's a fair point that playing as a freshman at ND is going to take its toll more so than most other schools. Academics is tougher than most schools, it can get very cold by the 3rd or 4th game, and ND is one of the few schools that recruits a good portion of their roster from outside their geographical location. We have a lot of kids from the east and west coasts and Texas too. College students get homesick and it's got to be worse for kids dealing with all that ND football players deal with. It's not an excuse. It's just simple facts.

 

[TheTurningPoint]

What is your take on Shumate as he is a junior and IMO has been one of the biggest disappointments this year.

Whoops forgot Shu.

Im not sure Id call him a disappointment. Why has he been a disappointment to you?

He is 3rd on the team in tackles with 51, has 2.5 tackles for loss, 1int, 1 fumble recovery, 1 sack. Id say thats a pretty successful season. He had a rough Rice game, but Im not going to put that on him. Id put it on the coaching staff for not getting their 2nd string safety enough reps in practice bc you never know when someone might get hurt the day before the game.

 

[woolybug25]

Whoops forgot Shu.

Im not sure Id call him a disappointment. Why has he been a disappointment to you?

He is 3rd on the team in tackles with 51, has 2.5 tackles for loss, 1int, 1 fumble recovery, 1 sack. Id say thats a pretty successful season. He had a rough Rice game, but Im not going to put that on him. Id put it on the coaching staff for not getting their 2nd string safety enough reps in practice bc you never know when someone might get hurt the day before the game.

To add to this, he has had to fill in at corner at times too. He has been a valuable asset for us this year because of depth issues.

 

[Irish#1]

Seems like a myriad of reasons. Some surely objective, and some much more subjective. Some player related and some coaching related.

I'd say the same would be true of FR and SO's-- a myriad of reasons, some objective, and some subjective, and some player related, and some coaching related.

I think creating a talking point about how these guys are away from home and adjusting to college life (while true) is probably about 65th on any reasoning for bad play. It's no where near the factor talent, ability, discipline, scheme, coaching, conditioning, film study, practice habits, etc. are. So I think it's just an excuse or a rationalization fans use to try and tangibly describe something.



Thoughtful and thorough breakdown of the players listed though. Appreciated. Reps.

Some may be objective and some subjective. To me it doesn't matter. When you add it all together it wears mentally on a young kid. Especially when he's beat up and tired. Going against guys 2-4 years older than you who are physically stronger is going to take its toll. I remember years ago a coach said, "I'll take a good group of seniors over a good group of Juniors any day."

 

[Sherm Sticky]

Whoops forgot Shu.

Im not sure Id call him a disappointment. Why has he been a disappointment to you?

He is 3rd on the team in tackles with 51, has 2.5 tackles for loss, 1int, 1 fumble recovery, 1 sack. Id say thats a pretty successful season. He had a rough Rice game, but Im not going to put that on him. Id put it on the coaching staff for not getting their 2nd string safety enough reps in practice bc you never know when someone might get hurt the day before the game.

Agree, I have been pleased with his play.

 

[pkt77242]

Whoops forgot Shu.

Im not sure Id call him a disappointment. Why has he been a disappointment to you?

He is 3rd on the team in tackles with 51, has 2.5 tackles for loss, 1int, 1 fumble recovery, 1 sack. Id say thats a pretty successful season. He had a rough Rice game, but Im not going to put that on him. Id put it on the coaching staff for not getting their 2nd string safety enough reps in practice bc you never know when someone might get hurt the day before the game.

My disappointment in him is not due to stats but that he frequently seems out of place on deep passing plays (yes I don't always know the defensive assignments). I think he has done well in the short passing game and running game but there has been a number of times where I have seen WR get behind him.

 

[stlnd01]

My disappointment in him is not due to stats but that he frequently seems out of place on deep passing plays (yes I don't always know the defensive assignments). I think he has done well in the short passing game and running game but there has been a number of times where I have seen WR get behind him.

Shumate's a strong safety, not a free, and while he certainly needs to be able to cover deep, deep coverage doesn't appear to be his strong suit. He tackles well and hits like a truck. Dude's having a good but not great year, certainly wouldn't consider him one of the biggest disappointments on the team.
I know Collinsworth is "healthy" now, but was surprised Shumate didn't seem to play more on Saturday. We needed someone who can stop a RB in his tracks.