Oct 18 | Florida State

[irishog77]

#LiveJameisSkrong

o yea, dey scared.

Dey ain't skrong den.

Ef dey skrong den dey skrong, ef skurred den dey skurred. Dey skurred.

Y'all are pretty insensitive and mean.

I'm going to axe a mod to delete these.

 

[greyhammer90]

Inb4 Title comes in here and calls everyone racist.

 

[IrishSteelhead]

Inb4 Title comes in here and calls everyone racist.

Wait until JW gets pepper sprayed tonight by an "evil cop" after resisting arrest for throwing a bowling ball off an overpass causing an 8 car pileup and 6 deaths....

 

[koonja]

Inb4 Title comes in here and calls everyone racist.

When I see this, all I see is PIIHB.

 

[IrishLion]

I said- dey said- I asked, "Are you all IE people skrong?"

And the IE people said, "Yeah, we skrong!"

And I said, "alright, we skrong den. Nobody get banned during the gameday thread."

 

[connor_in]

Wait until JW gets pepper sprayed tonight by an "evil cop" after resisting arrest for throwing a bowling ball off an overpass causing an 8 car pileup and 6 deaths....

 

[greyhammer90]

I said- dey said- I asked, "Are you all IE people skrong?"

And the IE people said, "Yeah, we skrong!"

And I said, "alright, we skrong den. Nobody get banned during the gameday thread."

I feel like the opposite should happen. At game time this site should turn into a blank page with the words GO WATCH THE DAMN GAME. Then if ND loses, the site should remain a blank page but say CALM DOWN.

 

[IrishLion]

I feel like the opposite should happen. At game time this site should turn into a blank page either words GO WATCH THE DAMN GAME. Then if ND loses, the site should remain a blank page but say CALM DOWN.

We should market one of those "Is it ______ yet" websites.

"Did Notre Dame win today?"

It's either a "YES," or pictures of flowers, puppies, scantily-clad women and great beer recommendations if "NO."

Should be required for all IE members to log in to THAT page before being directed to IE after any game. Dispel some of the initial, extreme, don't-really-mean-it feelings.

 

[IrishSteelhead]

I feel like the opposite should happen. At game time this site should turn into a blank page with the words GO WATCH THE DAMN GAME. Then if ND loses, the site should remain a blank page but say CALM DOWN.

Tied to your earlier post, this will be the game thread where more than a few drunks, sour things are going south, say what they assume "a lot of people are secretly thinking" about JW, and get pulverized by the ban hammer.

 

[Veritate Duce Progredi]

There's skrong and then there's Army skrong.

 

[Irish2155]

There's skrong and then there's Army skrong.

LMAO

 

[Irishcop]

Wait until JW gets pepper sprayed tonight by an "evil cop" after resisting arrest for throwing a bowling ball off an overpass causing an 8 car pileup and 6 deaths....

Hahahahaha.

 

[IRISHDODGER]

In all seriousness what the hell do you guys expect? I mean I get it, Winston is a bad person, that's probably pretty certain now, but you can't dismiss a Heisman trophy winner for almost being caught doing something bad.

He was accused of rape. The police did a shitty job investigating it. Ok. That really sucks for the girl and for justice and its totally unacceptable. (I'll also add that it really sucks for Winston if he was innocent, because now it will be forever impossible to cleanly state that you were found innocent of the charges.) But are you going to kick the kid off your team for that? Nope. No way. In fact, there is pretty substantial evidence that ND would've done a hell of a lot more to protect Winston in such a situation.

Ok so next he stole some soda from a BK after he ordered water.... I'm pretty sure I did that last Tuesday. Next.

Next he played with BB guns and caused property damage. He was required to pay for the damage. This is the point where Winston starts to officially look like a dumbass. But he's still just a dumbass. There are a lot of dumbasses on teams across the country.

Next are stealing crab legs. Ok, now we have a crime. But the issue is that this is a misdemeanor. He was caught, he was punished, and he got a ton of national shit for it. He probably would've missed a game but it luckily happened in the offseason. This is one way that ND might have handled things differently, but maybe not. Plenty of ND players have been charged with more serious stuff and not missed any significant playing time.

Next he stood on campus and screamed a sexual sentence. FSU then suspended him for a game. Not because what he did was illegal, not because he broke any rules, but because FSU wanted to send him a message that they were tired of him being a dumbass. I thought the fact that they did this for Clemson weekend took a lot of nuts and I was very surprised at how proactive they were about it.

Now there are autographs out there. But none of them at this point can be traced back to him. And trust me, I get it. There are a LOT of autographs, and there is virtually 0 doubt in my mind that he wasn't paid handsomely for each one. But here's the issue. You can't prove it. And something tells me that if something similar happened with Everett next year, this board would be singing a very different tune. From the "he didn't, he's clean" crowd to the "I'm suddenly concerned with player's rights!" crowd.

So we have a total: 1 petty theft, 0 "real" crimes charged, 1 potential NCAA violation (lol), 3 counts of doing stupid college shit, 1 Heisman, 1 National Championship, and 19-0. And you guys are saying that the fact that he hasn't been kicked out of FSU is shameful? Guys, lets be honest, he wouldn't be kicked out of any major college football program in the country. The only thing shameful about FSU's actions is how bad their PR department is that they couldn't head any of this stuff off.

Agreed...good post. Doesn't mean you support this sociopath (yes, I think the kid is a sociopath); but it puts into perspective in that we see similar situations in the past w/ other players/teams. Remember Lawrence Phillips? I don't remember Heisman winner, Johhny Rodgers; but I believe he won the award after a felony conviction (robbery?)....maybe it got thrown out or expunged but do that in modern times.

Can you imagine the instant celebrity status an ND defender will get if he lays a lick of epic proportions on Winston (ala Clowney vs scUM). Even ND haters want to see Winston look bad. That should fire any defense up...it's like an unspoken bounty on the QB.

 

[Emcee77]

So what distinguishes Winston's case from Gurley's? Was Georgia just being overcautious there? I don't understand why Gurley was suspended immediately but Winston hasn't been.

 

[pkt77242]

So what distinguishes Winston's case from Gurley's? Was Georgia just being overcautious there? I don't understand why Gurley was suspended immediately but Winston hasn't been.

There is a video of Gurley signing them (even if he didn't take money that would still be against NCAA rules) and he has been accused of being paid by the guy who supposedly paid him and provided the video.

 

[Emcee77]

There is a video of Gurley signing them (even if he didn't take money that would still be against NCAA rules) and he has been accused of being paid by the guy who supposedly paid him and provided the video.

In Winston's case ... do we need a video? The circumstantial evidence is overwhelming, based on what that Spence has been saying. I really see no distinction, if sitting for an autograph signing is enough to violate NCAA rules even without taking money.

I tend to agree with greyhammer vis a vis the other conduct issues. No real reason to suspend him there ... yet. But the NCAA issue seems serious.

 

[pkt77242]

In Winston's case ... do we need a video? The circumstantial evidence is overwhelming, based on what that Spence has been saying. I really see no distinction, if sitting for an autograph signing is enough to violate NCAA rules even without taking money.

I tend to agree with greyhammer vis a vis the other conduct issues. No real reason to suspend him there ... yet. But the NCAA issue seems serious.

Don't get me wrong I agree with you, I am just pointing out the differences.

 

[Emcee77]

Don't get me wrong I agree with you, I am just pointing out the differences.

Right, thank you.

 

[koonja]

As much negative publicity Winston/Jimbo/FSU is getting, it's not nearly enough. Being a regular student there, I'd be irrate that my University is degrading itself to a football factory rather than a higher education institution that has sports as a 2nd priority.

 

[Booslum31]

In Winston's case ... do we need a video? The circumstantial evidence is overwhelming, based on what that Spence has been saying. I really see no distinction, if sitting for an autograph signing is enough to violate NCAA rules even without taking money.

I tend to agree with greyhammer vis a vis the other conduct issues. No real reason to suspend him there ... yet. But the NCAA issue seems serious.

I think that it's obvious that if he sits out a game or two (ie. Manzell) it will be after they play ND. Their schedule is soft after they play us. Would love to bite them in the ass this weekend!

 

[ACamp1900]

As much negative publicity Winston/Jimbo/FSU is getting, it's not nearly enough. Being a regular student there, I'd be irrate that my University is degrading itself to a football factory rather than a higher education institution that has sports as a 2nd priority.

Driving into work I heard a couple of different FSU fans call in and voice their distaste for the current state of affairs with FSU... it's really surreal how far some schools will go to just win a game...

 

[Whiskeyjack]

USA Today's Nicole Auerbach wrote an article titled, "Brian Kelly believed in Notre Dame offense, and now he's seeing it":

"He's always looking for how to put his kids in the best position," former Notre Dame offensive coordinator Chuck Martin, now the head coach at Miami (Ohio), said by phone this week. "His foundations are: Spread the field, make them defend the length and the width (of the field) and use different tempos. … If he has better wideouts, it becomes more of a wideout game. If he has better running backs, it becomes more of a running back game.

​​"He is willing to not have a cookie-cutter approach and change and give his kids the best chance for success."

​​Last season, Kelly and Martin changed the offense to try to fit the skillset of Tommy Rees, who wasn't very mobile. Rees threw for 3,257 yards, including 27 touchdowns to 13 interceptions.

​​Adjusting back to having a mobile quarterback like Golson has opened up quite a bit.

​​"The launch point," Kelly said. "You could have drawn a circle on the field where Tommy Rees was going to be. This is where he's going to be. From a defensive standpoint, it just makes it so much easier to set what you want to do. I can move Everett from sideline to sideline. … He creates so many other opportunities. It starts there."

SBNation's Bill Connolly published an article titled, "4 keys in the Notre Dame vs. Florida State put-up-or-shut-up game":

I've been having fun sparring with FSU fans over the fact that the Seminoles have yet to actually look like a true top-four team, but to the extent that injuries, suspensions, and inexperience have been issues, FSU is slowly rounding into form. And nobody really knows how good Notre Dame actually is. Beating Stanford is still an accomplishment (the numbers love Stanford), but beating Purdue and UNC by a combined 23 points at home and getting outgained by Michigan (while winning comfortably) are less than ideal. (So is reaching mid-October without yet playing a true road game.)

If Florida State is going to start proving the unimpressed numbers wrong, it will begin on Saturday. The Seminoles don't have to beat the Irish by five touchdowns to prove something, but they could start by showing that they have matchup advantages the numbers haven't seen yet. If they slow William Fuller down and prevent the Irish run game from doing much of anything, that will be a good sign. If they run successfully, that will be even better.

My gut says this is the week we do start seeing the real FSU, so to speak, and that the 'Noles make a pretty nice statement. But my gut's been wrong a lot about FSU this year.

As a double-digit underdog, Notre Dame manages to come to Tallahassee as a top-five undefeated with nothing to lose. That's a rare place to be, especially when you wear Notre Dame's helmet, but it wouldn't take too many surprises for the Irish to not only prove themselves as a potentially elite team, but also threaten to leave town still undefeated. It's time to figure out some answers.

And OFD's Eric Murtaugh published his Game Day Countdown for the FSU match-up:

Well, the advanced stats are about as dead even as I've ever seen for a Notre Dame game. As are a lot of the traditional stats, like for example, Notre Dame being +104 in point differential right near Florida State. Emotionally and psychologically I like where the Irish are at heading into the weekend too. They should be pissed off about last week's game, have a chip on their shoulder as a double-digit underdog, plus Kelly has done a good job instilling the confidence in the players to believe they'll win these big games, something that was laughably missing with his predecessor. There's also that whole history thing that lingers in the background--winning 20 straight is a long streak and this could very well be Florida State's most difficult game of the regular season with the Irish known to be Giant Killers.

Both teams have good defenses and looking at them in a vacuum things look ridiculously close. I like Florida State's secondary a little better with Darby, Williams, and Ramsey but I'd give Notre Dame the edge in the front seven especially with VanGorder's schemes and the Seminoles' loss of Lawrence-Stample.

For some reason Florida State's offensive line hasn't been as awesome as expected with 4 returning highly experienced players from a National Championship season. They've given up 13 sacks--although 5 of them came against a very good Clemson defense able to tee off on an inexperienced backup quarterback--while the run game has been okay but not terribly explosive. If the Irish are victorious I believe it'll be because they win a lot of battles against this line.

However, I still think this is a very good offensive line. As Kelly said it's "one of the best lines he's seen in quite some time." He also mentioned how much balance the Seminoles offense has and with Winston behind center I think this will be a difficult offense to stop consistently. I am sure Florida State is going to step up and not sleepwalk through this game and we'll get their best effort of 2014.

I like a close game, an Irish cover, but the Seminoles to win at home.

Notre Dame 23

Florida State 32

 

[phork]

In the recent past this is a game I would cry at night over during game week because it was an inevitable L. I don't feel that way anymore. If Golson limits the turn overs, like ZERO, then ND wins.

 

[ACamp1900]

In the recent past this is a game I would cry at night over during game week because it was an inevitable L. I don't feel that way anymore. If Golson limits the turn overs, like ZERO, then ND wins.

This. I would dread games like this bc I knew it would end badly and ND would get shit on nationally... again....

Now? It may still end badly b/c i think they are the better team and it's in their house... but ND winning or losing a close game are much more likely here than any other 'big game' in a long time....

 

[ACamp1900]

I will say this too... ND has had few opportunities like this since Holtz left... most 'big games' in the past have been possible statement wins that could move toward national respect and identity... This game is a bit different... make a big statement here and you're there... few can say ND isn't back... this has the potential to be THE game that lifts ND back into the national power conversation, legitimately, for the first time in 20 years.

Huge opportunity.

 

[Buster Bluth]

I will say this too... ND has had few opportunities like this since Holtz left... most 'big games' in the past have been possible statement wins that could move toward national respect and identity... This game is a bit different... make a big statement here and you're there... few can say ND isn't back... this has the potential to be THE game that lifts ND back into the national power conversation, legitimately, for the first time in 20 years.

Huge opportunity.

Could say all of that about Oklahoma in 2012.

 

[ACamp1900]

Could say all of that about Oklahoma in 2012.

eh, that was in the middle of a year that kind of came out of nowhere, this game is built, in part, on that season and that game... in terms of national perception anyway.

 

[wizards8507]

I will say this too... ND has had few opportunities like this since Holtz left... most 'big games' in the past have been possible statement wins that could move toward national respect and identity... This game is a bit different... make a big statement here and you're there... few can say ND isn't back... this has the potential to be THE game that lifts ND back into the national power conversation, legitimately, for the first time in 20 years.

Huge opportunity.

To add, don't underestimate the impact of the current hatred that's out there towards FSU right now. Not only will folks *have to* take us seriously if we win, they'll also be pulling for us to win. Notre Dame is the rebel alliance going up against the galactic empire in this game. I don't think there's been a time since I've followed college football where the whole country will be cheering for the Irish.

 

[Cackalacky]

Pfft. After tonight Jameis is gonna find salvation in his defeat and remember this story:

De Shephud Dem Go fa See de Chile Jedus

Now some shephud been dey een de fiel dat night. Dey beena stay dey, da mind dey sheep.
Den one angel ob de Lawd appeah ta um. De night time done lightnin op jes like day clean broad. Cause ob dat, de shephud mos scaid ta det.
Bot de angel tell um say, “Mus dohn feah! A hab good nyews wa gwine mek ebrybody rejaice.
Cause A come fa tell oona, ‘Right now, dis day, a Sabior done bon fa oona. E Christ de Lawd. An e bon een David town!’
A gwine tell oona wa oona gwine see dey. Cause ob dat, oona gwine know A done tell oona de trute. Oona gwine find de chile wrop op een closs wa been teah eenta scrip, an e been leddown een a trough.”
All ob a sudden, a heapa oda angel fom heaben been longside dat angel. Dey all da praise God, say,
“Leh we gii glory ta God een de mos high heaben.
Leh dey be peace ta dem een de wol wa hab God fabor!”
Den de angel lef um an gone back ta heaben. An de shephud dem say ta one noda, “Leh we go ta Betlem fa see dis ting wa happen oba dey. De Lawd esef done sen e angel fa tell we.”

 

[pumpdog20]

For all those who are skrong, crab legs on me.