Paterno Statue Down/PSU Penalties?

[gkIrish]

Punish the people who let the pedophilia run wild, not the kids who had nothing to do with it.

The kids who chose to go to school there knowing they would not be able to go to a bowl?

 

[wizards8507]

The kids who chose to go to school there knowing they would not be able to go to a bowl?

Consent to an injustice does not make it just.

 

[gkIrish]

Consent to an injustice does not make it just.

I'm not arguing whether the original penalty was warranted or not. But feeling bad for kids who knew full well what they were getting into isn't a good argument.

 

[JTLA]

Wow. B1G gets embarassed on the national stage and suddenly Penn State is bowl eligible?

This year? That's insane. The season has started and you change a punishment for this year???

 

[irishog77]

I've always believed that the ncaa had no business imposing the sanctions they did against penn state's football team...but that penn state deserved every single punishment they received.

 

[IrishLax]

I've always believed that the ncaa had no business imposing the sanctions they did against penn state's football team...but that penn state deserved every single punishment they received.

What's crazy is that the state of Pennsylvania can now apparently keep the money Penn State was fined....

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Consent to an injustice does not make it just.

Concepts of justice typically don't make much sense when applied to a multi-billion dollar non-profit corporation like PSU. And the sanctions at issue here had as much to do with justice as the recent pillorying of Donald Sterling (read: very little).

The NCAA is its member institutions. Just as Sterling's racist comments were bad for the NBA's business, the Sandusky scandal was bad for the NCAA's business. In both situations, a group of immensely wealthy and powerful corporate entities got together and took action for PR concerns. Because money talks at that level, but "justice" doesn't.

And now the PSU sanctions have presumably been walked back for the exact same reason.

 

[wizards8507]

Concepts of justice typically don't make much sense when applied to a multi-billion dollar non-profit corporation like PSU. And the sanctions at issue here had as much to do with justice as the recent pillorying of Donald Sterling (read: very little).

The NCAA is its member institutions. Just as Sterling's racist comments were bad for the NBA's business, the Sandusky scandal was bad for the NCAA's business. In both situations, a group of immensely wealthy and powerful corporate entities got together and took action for PR concerns. Because money talks at that level, but "justice" doesn't.

And now the PSU sanctions have presumably been walked back for the exact same reason.

I agree completely. That's how this whole game works. My comments were more on how it ought to work.

 

[GoldenDomer]

Wut. Dude has been on a tear this season and ND needs two RBs this class.

Meant to italicize, my bad.

 

[Yes]

What's funny is that I've heard PSU fans say they're going to the playoff now. Others say they'll win the National Championship in a few years.

Little do they know their football team blows and plays in a garbage conference. Just because you're allowed to be there now doesn't mean you're Alabama all of the sudden.

 

[Ndaccountant]

SIAP & I didn't know where to put this...

https://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaa...eceived-from-lou-holtz-in-1996-162230456.html

 

[TheChosen1]

Four Football Players Arrested, Charged With Criminal Mischief - Onward State

 

[IrishSteelhead]

Paterno Statue Down/PSU Penalties?

Nowhere else to dump this, but did anyone see that Maryland captains refused to shake hands with the Penn State ones during the coin toss?

There was a rhubarb between the two teams pregame.

 

[BGIF]

Nowhere else to dump this, but did anyone see that Maryland captains refused to shake hands with the Penn State ones during the coin toss?

There was a rhubarb between the two teams pregame.

Didn't see it then but it's been on the update highlights.

 

[MNIrishman]

Nowhere else to dump this, but did anyone see that Maryland captains refused to shake hands with the Penn State ones during the coin toss?

There was a rhubarb between the two teams pregame.

I might refuse too. Penn State needs to take a break for a while. Put itself back together after what happened. Too many people still defending the school too hard for them to get respect back.

 

[kmoose]

I might refuse too. Penn State needs to take a break for a while. Put itself back together after what happened. Too many people still defending the school too hard for them to get respect back.

Huh?

What did Penn State football players do, exactly, to warrant their opponents refusing to shake hands?

 

[wizards8507]

I might refuse too. Penn State needs to take a break for a while. Put itself back together after what happened. Too many people still defending the school too hard for them to get respect back.

"Penn State" the school didn't do anything, considering a school is an inanimate place incapable of action. INDIVIDUALS at Penn State did horrific things and those INDIVIDUALS deserve punishment. Criticising current players for something they had literally nothing to do with is akin to refusing to associate with Catholics in 2014 because the crusades happened or preventing your kid from hanging out with a friend because his grandfather was a criminal.

 

[MNIrishman]

"Penn State" the school didn't do anything, considering a school is an inanimate place incapable of action. INDIVIDUALS at Penn State did horrific things and those INDIVIDUALS deserve punishment. Criticising current players for something they had literally nothing to do with is akin to refusing to associate with Catholics in 2014 because the crusades happened or preventing your kid from hanging out with a friend because his grandfather was a criminal.

Those individuals were charged by the board of trustees with maintaining control of the University. They used that control to facilitate horrible crimes occurring in the athletic program over many years. Your analogy is horribly flawed. I am not blaming 19th century Pennsylvanians. I am blaming a culture that permitted crimes to happen in the name of protecting a football program-a culture which persists to this day and needs to be beaten out of them.

 

[RyCo1983]

Those individuals were charged by the board of trustees with maintaining control of the University. They used that control to facilitate horrible crimes occurring in the athletic program over many years. Your analogy is horribly flawed. I am not blaming 19th century Pennsylvanians. I am blaming a culture that permitted crimes to happen in the name of protecting a football program-a culture which persists to this day and needs to be beaten out of them.

This times infinity. I live half an hour from State College. The culture has not changed one bit. The Sandusky events may have actually STRENGTHENED that culture.

 

[BGIF]

"Penn State" the school didn't do anything, considering a school is an inanimate place incapable of action. INDIVIDUALS at Penn State did horrific things and those INDIVIDUALS deserve punishment. Criticising current players for something they had literally nothing to do with is akin to refusing to associate with Catholics in 2014 because the crusades happened or preventing your kid from hanging out with a friend because his grandfather was a criminal.

Those individuals were the power structure at PSU. They set the culture, they tolerated the abuse and perpetuated the cover up.

Instead of citing the crusades of almost 1000 years ago, wouldn't it have been more appropriate to contrast the predatory child abuse cover up at PSU with the widespread predatory child abuse tolerance and cover up by the 20th Century Catholic Church power structure?

In both cases "good men" did nothing and children suffered.

 

[dshans]

Those individuals were the power structure at PSU. They set the culture, they tolerated the abuse and perpetuated the cover up.

Instead of citing the crusades of almost 1000 years ago, wouldn't it have been more appropriate to contrast the predatory child abuse cover up at PSU with the widespread predatory child abuse tolerance and cover up by the 20th Century Catholic Church power structure?

In both cases "good men" did nothing and children suffered.

But, but, but .... Oh yeah?

Nothing, but NOTHING excuses or erases these abominable actions and inactions.

It is time to sweep the Chanceries and locker rooms clean of vermin. Vigilance is key. Acceptance of shortcomings is key. Resolution to prevent further transgression is tantamount.

None of this will be solved on a football field.

 

[Ultimate Penn St. Hater]

FUCK Penn St.!

 

[dad4aa]

Huh?

What did Penn State football players do, exactly, to warrant their opponents refusing to shake hands?

I believe Steelhead referred to it and I saw a quick replay of it at the bar but apparently they started some crap during pregame and the teams had to be separated. Someone can correct me if I'm wrong.

 

[kmoose]

I believe Steelhead referred to it and I saw a quick replay of it at the bar but apparently they started some crap during pregame and the teams had to be separated. Someone can correct me if I'm wrong.

You still shake hands to start the game. What the fvck is wrong with people these days, that they are so butthurt over every real or perceived act of disrespect?

 

[MNIrishman]

You still shake hands to start the game. What the fvck is wrong with people these days, that they are so butthurt over every real or perceived act of disrespect?

Yeah they probably should have shaken hands. Still feel very strongly that a football-first culture leads to bad things, and that PSU exemplified that and still does.

 

[ab2cmiller]

Internal NCAA emails reveal it 'bluffed' Penn State into accepting sanctions

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaaf-dr-saturday/internal-ncaa-emails-reveal-it--bluffed--penn-state-into-accepting-sanctions-164815196.html

 

[OCIrish]

This bothers me.....and it bothers me a lot!!! I'm not saying PSU didn't deserve punishment, because they did, however, it pisses me off when they lie outright to get what they want, but when kids and programs cheat, they act like it's no big deal. The SEC has had bag men for years, and I wouldn't be a damned bit surprised if Miss St, and Ole Miss are paying a good amount of their kids. The NCAA completely looks the other way on that shit, but drops the hammer on Penn State when they had no jurisdiction to do so. Hypocrisy at its finest.

 

[PANDFAN]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Check out PSU's ticket renewal letter to - wait for it - JERRY SANDUSKY: <a href="http://t.co/Xfth1ccd8M">http://t.co/Xfth1ccd8M</a> �� <a href="http://t.co/XvYPUwxy5o">pic.twitter.com/XvYPUwxy5o</a></p>— LostLettermen.com (@LostLettermen) <a href="https://twitter.com/LostLettermen/status/540207270098120704">December 3, 2014</a></blockquote>
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It’s not like this was the result of a mix-up and the mail was inadvertently delayed. The letter is signed by first-year head coach James Franklin, meaning it was sent at some point this season.

Sandusky is currently serving at least a 30-year prison sentence. He won’t be needing those tickets.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>For those asking,the letter was discovered by documentary filmmaker John Ziegler via Onward State, a publication out of State College</p>— Sharla McBride (@SharlaMcBride) <a href="https://twitter.com/SharlaMcBride/status/540182630109814784">December 3, 2014</a></blockquote>
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[TheChosen1]

Report: NCAA could be reconsidering sanctions

 

[GoldenDomer]

The NCAA is such a joke.