'15 OH LB Justin Hilliard (Ohio State Verbal)

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Everyone's question on how parents don't see Urban line of BS. I was thinking about this last night. Obviously, I'm not in any conversations, but it became clear to me why parents buy his hype. He probably finds out what the parents enjoy and find interesting outside of just football. Then he spends a lot of time with the parents discussing what they like and enjoy. Pretty typical of your normal salesman. Easier to sell if you have a common interest to go along with your product.

Not commenting on Hilliard specifically but I'm guessing a lot of the parents just don't care about education much more than the recruits do. Not everyone is Cecil Newton, but I'm sure there are plenty of parents who see their kids as the golden ticket to the NFL and a big fat contract.

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If this is true, then I expect him to have some academic problems during his time there, if the reports of his preference of the social life at OSU are true. Seen it with my own kids. Do very well in HS in a somewhat structured and stricter environment, then find the party scene at college and enjoy it way too much.

Not like you or I have any experience with that - nawh! We had to see it with our kids first.

(I am laughing.)

Everyone's question on how parents don't see Urban line of BS. I was thinking about this last night. Obviously, I'm not in any conversations, but it became clear to me why parents buy his hype. He probably finds out what the parents enjoy and find interesting outside of just football. Then he spends a lot of time with the parents discussing what they like and enjoy. Pretty typical of your normal salesman. Easier to sell if you have a common interest to go along with your product.

I was thinking about this also.

Urban is at or near the pinnacle of his career, one of the best in the business. Ohio State fans are crazy for OSU, just the way we are crazy for ND. Urban was a real coup for OSU. He spanked them while at Florida. He was another MAC kid done well. And he came home to lead the Bucks out of a scandalous time. Time after time, we make our leaders better than what they are because of our desires to be part of something good and right. There is a tremendous anti-SEC hatred with the Buckeyes. Urban is the one that can deliver a once proud program from evil. (Formerly weak sister SEC dominance.) Every Buckeye fan is going to think he walks on water. It is just our wiring.

Let's face it. During the height of their popularity and success, at least four OSU coaches could have been elected governor. That is the way it is. A fan is going to look past something a non-fan sees. And Ohio State is a football school, a true football factory. There is no illusion football doesn't come first.

I am so glad that we hired Weis instead of Meyer. I never thought I would say anything like that. But when you think about it, whatever the rumor, the final reason Meyer didn't sign on the dotted line to become the next ND coach after Willingham, was because he couldn't operate with the "freedom" he desired. That freedom had OSU self report what, like 46 secondary violations his first year as head coach? That wouldn't work at ND, because ND is about the only non-football first, football powerhouse. The exception that proves the rule.

I like OSU having Urban. Even though it seems tough when we lose some recruits, particularly in such a shit-fest, dog and pony show as we did yesterday, (I certainly understand any ND fans ambivalence to the way ESPN, the two kids, their families, and OSU fans treated ND), but isn't it really for the best? Everyone sees that Cornell wasn't a ND kind of kid; hell his commitment probably wouldn't have been accepted by the staff, even if he gave it! But what about Hilliard?

Without knocking him, paraphrasing everything I have heard come out of his mouth, from alpha to omega, his wavelength just isn't ND. And it wouldn't matter if we got him. A lot of kid think they want ND. But they don't. And they don't ever do well if they pick it. Just like Meyer wouldn't have been the coach for the Irish. Hilliard said it; his quote was something like ND gave him pause, it was really a tough call, etc. What he said to me was that he saw the value of ND, and all it stood for and rejected it, because he has some other agenda. One that OSU and Urban satisfied.
 
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What did we do? We backed into a NC game that any number of other teams that year would have fared better.

Is no one else going to call him on this? Am I going to have to ask how going 12-0 against the most difficult schedule I've seen in the last decade is backing in?

Also who would've fared better that was realistic that year? Kansas St.? Lol please. OSU? Yeah right. Oregon? The team that could even handle Stanford's defense was going to score on Bama?
 

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Time to let it go. Justin chose OSU and Urban over ND and BK. Let's face facts. Urban's teams are consistently in the top ten at the end of the year. BK has been at ND for four years and has reached that level once. BK has yet to prove he can get ND to an elite level and keep it there.

Granted our schedule makes it nearly impossible to go 12-0 or 11-1 without some luck. If we had OSU's schedule, we could be much more successful from a wins and losses standpoint. But we don't have that schedule.

A college education is not the first priority for many 4 and 5 star recruits. For many of these top-level recruits, academics has never been a high priority. If they could by-pass college completely, they would do it.

Unfortunately, ND is not recruiting the parents. It is much easier to convince parents of the value of a higher education. Urban's teams lead the nation in one statistic: the number of players on the roster with criminal records or arrests. As a parent, that's a flashing red light to me. I wouldn't want my son coached by anyone with such a track record for lack of discipline. But to an 18-year old, the only thing that matters is fun, and 12-0 is always going to be more fun than 8-4. Urban has found a formula for success.

1. Choose your coaching opportunities wisely.
2. Make sure your next team is loaded with talent before accepting the position.
3. Make sure you have a schedule loaded with lots of patsies and a maximum of one or two difficult games per year.
4. Sell your program to recruits like a used-car salesman.
5. Bail out before the ship sinks due to lack of discipline in the program.

None of this is a reason to bad-mouth an 18-year old football player who decides to go elsewhere.
 

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Good luck to Justin, he made his decision, an informed decision, and as much as I'd love to see him don the Blue and Gold, he didn't feel it.
 

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Time to let it go. Justin chose OSU and Urban over ND and BK. Let's face facts. Urban's teams are consistently in the top ten at the end of the year. BK has been at ND for four years and has reached that level once. BK has yet to prove he can get ND to an elite level and keep it there.

Granted our schedule makes it nearly impossible to go 12-0 or 11-1 without some luck. If we had OSU's schedule, we could be much more successful from a wins and losses standpoint. But we don't have that schedule.

A college education is not the first priority for many 4 and 5 star recruits. For many of these top-level recruits, academics has never been a high priority. If they could by-pass college completely, they would do it.

Unfortunately, ND is not recruiting the parents. It is much easier to convinced parents of the value of a higher education. Urban's teams lead the nation in one statistic: the number of players on the roster with criminal records or arrests. As a parent, that's a flashing red light to me. I wouldn't want my son coached by anyone with such a track record for lack of discipline. But to an 18-year old, the only thing that matters is fun, and 12-0 is always going to be more fun than 8-4. Urban has found a formula for success.

1. Choose your coaching opportunities wisely.
2. Make sure your next team is loaded with talent before accepting the position.
3. Make sure you have a schedule loaded with lots of patsies and a maximum of one or two difficult games per year.
4. Sell your program to recruits like a used-car salesman.
5. Bail out before the ship sinks due to lack of discipline in the program.

None of this is a reason to bad-mouth an 18-year old football player who decides to go elsewhere.

I agree with most of your post but in regards to the bolded...

I think part of the problem is that we DO try and recruit the parents. Part of the staff's strategy is to get parents on our side. That works in some cases but some kids are rebels. If their parents want X they will do Y. I was like that. So winning over the parents works sometimes but ilI feel like it backfires for others.
 

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Is no one else going to call him on this? Am I going to have to ask how going 12-0 against the most difficult schedule I've seen in the last decade is backing in?

Also who would've fared better that was realistic that year? Kansas St.? Lol please. OSU? Yeah right. Oregon? The team that could even handle Stanford's defense was going to score on Bama?

I'm just ignoring it for obvious reasons.
 

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I agree with most of your post but in regards to the bolded...

I think part of the problem is that we DO try and recruit the parents. Part of the staff's strategy is to get parents on our side. That works in some cases but some kids are rebels. If their parents want X they will do Y. I was like that. So winning over the parents works sometimes but ilI feel like it backfires for others.

That's my point. Urban quickly identifies those parents who get giddy, excited and wrapped up in the bells and whistles of recruiting, finds their hot buttons and runs with it. Let's face it. Just because your a parent doesn't mean you're real mature and won't make emotional decisions. That's why some adults run companies, are professionals, etc. and some work for $9.00 an hour and/or are on welfare.
 
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That's my point. Urban quickly identifies those parents who get giddy, excited and wrapped up in the bells and whistles of recruiting, finds their hot buttons and runs with it. Let's face it. Just because your a parent doesn't mean you're real mature and won't make emotional decisions. That's why some adults run companies, are professionals, etc. and some work for $9.00 an hour and/or are on welfare.

Wait! Are you saying that mature adults run companies and are professionals, etc. While less than mature parents work for $9.00 and are on welfare?
 

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Is no one else going to call him on this? Am I going to have to ask how going 12-0 against the most difficult schedule I've seen in the last decade is backing in?

Also who would've fared better that was realistic that year? Kansas St.? Lol please. OSU? Yeah right. Oregon? The team that could even handle Stanford's defense was going to score on Bama?

I decided not to feed the troll. We could have beaten any of the other teams at the top, but K. St. and Oregon had to blow it at the end. Bama was just on another level.
 

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I miss living in Ohio every day. Midwestern lifestyle, moderate temperatures, great hiking in beautiful hills, what's not to love?
 
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I miss living in Ohio every day. Midwestern lifestyle, moderate temperatures, great hiking in beautiful hills, what's not to love?

The fact that Northwest Ohio has none of those things, but makes up for it with humidity!
 

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I live in Canton. Nice area to raise a family and close to Cleveland, Columbus and Pittsburgh
 

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Leave it behind.
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I grew up in the state of Ohio and moved back 8 years ago , but GD do I hate Ohio state and their stupid fans.!!!!!!!!
 

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I found it interesting he measured in at 6', 225#. A couple inches shorter than reported.
 

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I grew up in the state of Ohio and moved back 8 years ago , but GD do I hate Ohio state and their stupid fans.!!!!!!!!

I've never even been to Ohio... and I still find them one of the top three or so most annoying bases in sports.

I'll take Michigan every time. It's that real.
 

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I've never even been to Ohio... and I still find them one of the top three or so most annoying bases in sports.

I'll take Michigan every time. It's that real.

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How are you a Browns fan if you've never even been to Ohio? I'm so confused now. I guessed you at one point lived here before going to the west coast. Honestly...it's somewhat amazing Browns fan's even exist at all, let alone fans that have never even visited the state. Is the Cleveland sig a ruse of some sort? You baffle me sometimes.
 

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I've never even been to Ohio... and I still find them one of the top three or so most annoying bases in sports.

I'll take Michigan every time. It's that real.

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How are you a Browns fan if you've never even been to Ohio? I'm so confused now. I guessed you at one point lived here before going to the west coast. Honestly...it's somewhat amazing Browns fan's even exist at all, let alone fans that have never even visited the state. Is the Cleveland sig a ruse of some sort? You baffle me sometimes.

You been trolling us bro?
 

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haha, I'm a die hard browns fan and always have been... growing up in LA you had the choice of the ghetto fabulous Raiders (I was never much on stealing hub caps)…. Or the L®ams… I’m a child of the 80’s the Browns were great, had colorful players like Hanford Dixon and Kevin Mack… and that team was absolute beastly in the first Tecmo Bowl, like seriously, they killed it and no one ever took them.. lol

I guess I should also note I’m loyal to a fault and once I’m ‘in’ with a team I’m not going anywhere.
 
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