UNC Receives Notice of Allegations
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UNC faculty giving a lesson in lying on ESPN right now. Making it a race issue as well.
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Fake classes and fraudulent grading at other schools would probably hurt us in recruiting, not the other way around.
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Yes.
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Then you should go back and read your post. I read yours and was going to reply until I saw Whiskey had. It certainly reads like it was directed toward ND and its fans. Apology accepted.
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Apologies for the cutting reply then. It was the following that set me off:
If you didn't intend to include ND in that statement, then I have no quarrel with your original post.
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You cheeky, cheeky, tongue-in-cheeky bastage!
you literally are talking out of your arse man.
European kids, for one thing, know at the very least 2, sometimes three languages, OTHER than their native language and many of them are taking ENGLISH as a third or fourth language so they can get better jobs, etc.
Using Cricket as an example is just beyond stupid, because nobody pays attention to it outside of India and a few minor European countries. The reason that soccer is so popular all over the world is simple....all you need is a soccer ball to play, period. You can use anything as goal posts. And generally speaking NONE of them get paid like NFL rookies do when they are coming into the league, even in the UEFA.
In China, nearly 500 MILLION Chinese are taking ENGLISH as a second language, sometimes as a third language, depending on where they live in China. Cantonese, Mandarin and English were all spoken in the region where I lived and worked in a city where I lived with 13 million people (another 8 million lived 45 minutes away by train).
Other countries put a MUCH HIGHER value on education because they actually believe in working for a living and not trying to take short cuts like so many young people do, because they all think they will be the next NFL star, NBA star, elite MLB player, pop star, reality TV star, etc.
The importance of education in America has never been more lacking than it is now. If you don't think so, then when are we constantly saying that the educational system is broken?
It is extremely sad that people actually are not paying attention to how education has been denigrated and its importance to culture has been a distant second or third, or worse, for a lot of people.
For example:
We hear of stories about athletes with less-than-spectacular grades who receive full-ride scholarships. But getting a full-ride scholarship for good grades is next to impossible, unless you’re the next Albert Einstein. Colleges would rather have the next Peyton Manning than the next Christopher Hirata, simply because nobody has heard of Christopher Hirata. The truth is, sports promise recognition for schools.
Yes, college sports are important and they deserve some attention, but academics are important too. It seems too often college sports overshadow a college education, and that comes at a cost. Literally.
According to a study by the Delta Cost Project at the American Institutes for Research, public colleges and universities in the Division I program spend about $92,000 per athlete, while less than $14,000 is spent per student on academics. That’s almost seven times less spending on academics than sports. Yet we wonder why America ranks 17th in education around the world.
- See more at: Sports (1-0) vs. Education (0-1) | The Clarion | Bethel University Minnesota
Anyone who thinks that America has not devalued education on a larger scale than just about any other developed country in the world is just simply fooling themselves.
Some of the other countries ranked above the USA are Finland, Germany, Denmark, Sweden, Japan, Canada, Taiwan, Korea, and Estonia. Comparison of Education in Different Countries
Other than Germany, none of them are sports crazy and never have been (except for hockey in Canada, they really have nothing to get excited about athletically speaking).
But they are all still better educated than our students in K-12, nearly every single year. Notice also, that they are a mix of mainly European and Asian countries....and the USA is 17th globally and falling fast.
The United States may be a superpower but in education we lag behind. In a recent comparison of academic performance in 57 countries, students in Finland came out on top overall. Finnish 15-year-olds did the best in science and came in second in math. Other top-performing countries were: Hong Kong, Canada, Taiwan, Estonia, Japan and Korea.
How did the U.S. do?
Students in the United States performed near the middle of the pack. On average 16 other industrialized countries scored above the United States in science, and 23 scored above us in math. Global grade: How do U.S. students compare? - Academic skills | GreatSchools
Other than Germany, none of them are sports crazy and never have been (except for hockey in Canada, they really have nothing to get excited about athletically speaking).
But they are all still better educated than our students in K-12, nearly every single year. Notice also, that they are a mix of mainly European and Asian countries....and the USA is 17th globally and falling fast.
The United States may be a superpower but in education we lag behind. In a recent comparison of academic performance in 57 countries, students in Finland came out on top overall. Finnish 15-year-olds did the best in science and came in second in math. Other top-performing countries were: Hong Kong, Canada, Taiwan, Estonia, Japan and Korea.
How did the U.S. do?
Students in the United States performed near the middle of the pack. On average 16 other industrialized countries scored above the United States in science, and 23 scored above us in math. Global grade: How do U.S. students compare? - Academic skills | GreatSchools
The idea that the USA is internationally elite is also in question.
Instead of gaining ground, the United States has fallen from 12th to 16th in the share of adults age 25 to 34 holding degrees, according to the report from the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development. It trails global leaders South Korea, Canada and Japan and is mired in the middle of the pack among developed nations. U.S. falls in global ranking of young adults who finish college - The Washington Post
Also:
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COUNTRY NOTE Education at a Glance: OECD Indicators 2012 UNITED STATES Under embargo until 11 September, at 11:00 am Paris time Questions can be directed to: Andreas Schleicher, Advisor to the Secretary-General on Education Policy, Deputy Director for Education Email: Andreas.Schleicher@OECD.orgT telephone: +33607385464
Please visit our website: Directorate for Education and Skills - OECD Education at a Glance 2012 - Statistics - OECD iLibrary
KEY FINDINGS •The U.S. ranks 14th in the world in the percentage of 25-34 year-olds with higher education (42%).•The odds that a young person in the U.S. will be in higher education if his or her parents do not have an upper secondary education are just 29% -- one of the lowest levels among OECD countries.•The U.S ranks 28th in the percentage of 4-year-olds in early childhood education, with a 69% enrollment rate.•Across all OECD countries, 30% of the expenditure on higher education comes from private sources, while in the U.S., 62% does.•Teachers in the U.S. spend between 1 050 and 1 100 hours a year teaching – much more than in almost every country. The U.S.’s higher education attainment levels are quite high overall, but other countries are increasing attainment levels at a faster rate. In the United States, 42% of all 25-64 year-olds have a tertiary (higher education) attainment, making it one of the most well-educated countries in the world. Only Canada (51%), Israel (46%), Japan (45%) and the Russian Federation (54%) have higher tertiary attainment levels among this age group (Table A1.3a). At the same time, a number of countries have now surpassed the U.S. in the percentage of younger adults with a tertiary attainment. The U.S. ranks 14th among 37 OECD and G20 countries in the percentage of 25-34 year-olds with higher education, at 42% - above the OECD average (38%), but far behind the leader, Korea (65%)(Chart A1.1).
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UNITED STATES – Country Note – Education at a Glance 2012: OECD Indicators© OECD 2 1 2 http://dx.doi.org/10.1787/888932661478
Although overall tertiary attainment levels in the U.S. have been high for many years and remain well above the OECD average (30%), they are growing at a below-average rate compared to other OECD and G20 countries. For example, between 2000 and 2010, tertiary attainment in the U.S. grew an average of 1.3 percentage points a year, compared to 3.7 percentage points annually for OECD countries overall (TableA1.4). Based on these trends, the U.S. may find that an increasing number of countries will approach or surpass its attainment levels in the coming years. Other countries in this situation include Estonia, Finland, Israel and the Russian Federation (Chart A1.3).These trends are also mirrored in the graduate output of higher education institutions. In 1995, the U.S. ranked 2nd after New Zealand in terms of the higher education graduation rate among 19 OECD countries with comparable data. In 2010, it ranked 13th among 25 countries with comparable data. While the higher education graduation rate in the U.S. grew from 33% to 38% over this period, on average across OECD countries it virtually doubled, from 20% to 39% (Table A3.2)
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Education, in general, is in a shamble across all levels of American education.
Instead of gaining ground, the United States has fallen from 12th to 16th in the share of adults age 25 to 34 holding degrees, according to the report from the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development. It trails global leaders South Korea, Canada and Japan and is mired in the middle of the pack among developed nations. U.S. falls in global ranking of young adults who finish college - The Washington Post
Also:
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COUNTRY NOTE Education at a Glance: OECD Indicators 2012 UNITED STATES Under embargo until 11 September, at 11:00 am Paris time Questions can be directed to: Andreas Schleicher, Advisor to the Secretary-General on Education Policy, Deputy Director for Education Email: Andreas.Schleicher@OECD.orgT telephone: +33607385464
Please visit our website: Directorate for Education and Skills - OECD Education at a Glance 2012 - Statistics - OECD iLibrary
KEY FINDINGS •The U.S. ranks 14th in the world in the percentage of 25-34 year-olds with higher education (42%).•The odds that a young person in the U.S. will be in higher education if his or her parents do not have an upper secondary education are just 29% -- one of the lowest levels among OECD countries.•The U.S ranks 28th in the percentage of 4-year-olds in early childhood education, with a 69% enrollment rate.•Across all OECD countries, 30% of the expenditure on higher education comes from private sources, while in the U.S., 62% does.•Teachers in the U.S. spend between 1 050 and 1 100 hours a year teaching – much more than in almost every country. The U.S.’s higher education attainment levels are quite high overall, but other countries are increasing attainment levels at a faster rate. In the United States, 42% of all 25-64 year-olds have a tertiary (higher education) attainment, making it one of the most well-educated countries in the world. Only Canada (51%), Israel (46%), Japan (45%) and the Russian Federation (54%) have higher tertiary attainment levels among this age group (Table A1.3a). At the same time, a number of countries have now surpassed the U.S. in the percentage of younger adults with a tertiary attainment. The U.S. ranks 14th among 37 OECD and G20 countries in the percentage of 25-34 year-olds with higher education, at 42% - above the OECD average (38%), but far behind the leader, Korea (65%)(Chart A1.1).
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UNITED STATES – Country Note – Education at a Glance 2012: OECD Indicators© OECD 2 1 2 http://dx.doi.org/10.1787/888932661478
Although overall tertiary attainment levels in the U.S. have been high for many years and remain well above the OECD average (30%), they are growing at a below-average rate compared to other OECD and G20 countries. For example, between 2000 and 2010, tertiary attainment in the U.S. grew an average of 1.3 percentage points a year, compared to 3.7 percentage points annually for OECD countries overall (TableA1.4). Based on these trends, the U.S. may find that an increasing number of countries will approach or surpass its attainment levels in the coming years. Other countries in this situation include Estonia, Finland, Israel and the Russian Federation (Chart A1.3).These trends are also mirrored in the graduate output of higher education institutions. In 1995, the U.S. ranked 2nd after New Zealand in terms of the higher education graduation rate among 19 OECD countries with comparable data. In 2010, it ranked 13th among 25 countries with comparable data. While the higher education graduation rate in the U.S. grew from 33% to 38% over this period, on average across OECD countries it virtually doubled, from 20% to 39% (Table A3.2)
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Education, in general, is in a shamble across all levels of American education.
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My wife went to school in Germany (until college) and currently teaches high school in the U.S. One of the differences in the school system in Germany (and other countries) is that they split the kids up at an early age (5th grade in Germany's case). Some kids take a college path, others take a vocational (trade) path. When they do these tests, they are only giving it to the kids on the college path. Here in the U.S. everyone takes the same standardized tests. We would score much better if we only gave these tests to students who are on a college path.
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Game On...
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>RT <a href="https://twitter.com/schadjoe">@schadjoe</a>: UNC announces it has received a verbal notice of inquiry from the NCAA that it will reopen its 2011 examination of academic...</p>— Andrew Owens (@BGI_AndrewOwens) <a href="https://twitter.com/BGI_AndrewOwens/statuses/483690049658032128">June 30, 2014</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>irregularities. The NCAA has determined additional people with information or previously uncooperative might now be willing to speak.</p>— Joe Schad (@schadjoe) <a href="https://twitter.com/schadjoe/statuses/483690602077638657">June 30, 2014</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>RT <a href="https://twitter.com/schadjoe">@schadjoe</a>: UNC announces it has received a verbal notice of inquiry from the NCAA that it will reopen its 2011 examination of academic...</p>— Andrew Owens (@BGI_AndrewOwens) <a href="https://twitter.com/BGI_AndrewOwens/statuses/483690049658032128">June 30, 2014</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>irregularities. The NCAA has determined additional people with information or previously uncooperative might now be willing to speak.</p>— Joe Schad (@schadjoe) <a href="https://twitter.com/schadjoe/statuses/483690602077638657">June 30, 2014</a></blockquote>
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Beautiful.
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That's so Hood of the NCAA. Or is it something about not snitching in the Hood? I can't remember. Something about Hood, though.
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Would suck for him, but it was a bad choice IMO, and it was clear this was always a possibility. Who knows, maybe the NCAA will allow unregulated transfers and he'll be wearing a gold helmet after all. Or they'll muddle around for a few years, get sued and hand down zero punishment. Who knows.
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one can dream [sigh]. Remember when we thought he and Starks were coming to ND?
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Don't even expect anything to happen. Emmert and the NCAA clowns will find a way to fuck this up just like everything else they've done under his watch.
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This is very true. With all of the crazy allegations that have been coming out of there over the last few years, and especially recent reports i.e. McCants I believe, this was a great opportunity for him to use as reason to come to ND. I know it has been said that he stayed home to be around family, but why go there? Would be pretty sweet though if did end up transferring here, lol.
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This, UNC will get a slap on the wrist. They're too big a brand and with the NCAA on the ropes with D-4 talk and all the lawsuits I doubt they will hit UNC as hard as they should.
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Let's be honest we're all thinking about it...
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I actually think there is a chance UNC gets hammered IF new evidence is brought to light.
One of the single biggest sticking points of the O'Bannon trial is how student athletes ARE NOT students first. UNC is a huge black eye on the NCAA. Smacking them will go a long towards putting their money where their mouth is.
One of the single biggest sticking points of the O'Bannon trial is how student athletes ARE NOT students first. UNC is a huge black eye on the NCAA. Smacking them will go a long towards putting their money where their mouth is.
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I agree with this. The UNC thing is such a joke at the expense of the NCAA that I seriously doubt they fail to do something public and harsh the second time around. Otherwise this is just the NCAA going out of their way to draw attention to this debacle AGAIN. I doubt it.