UNC Receives Notice of Allegations

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So this time around the NCAA has cooperation from a former faculty member who is presumably capable of providing information on what higher levels of the university might have known. Notably, he's facing criminal charges for fraud relating to falsifying grades (I think).

OTOH, UNC self-reported a bunch of stuff so the NCAA may try to reward that behaviour IF they are considered to have been forthcoming on the matter.
 
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I actually think there is a chance UNC gets hammered IF new evidence is brought to light.

One of the single biggest sticking points of the O'Bannon trial is how student athletes ARE NOT students first. UNC is a huge black eye on the NCAA. Smacking them will go a long towards putting their money where their mouth is.
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I agree with this. The UNC thing is such a joke at the expense of the NCAA that I seriously doubt they fail to do something public and harsh the second time around. Otherwise this is just the NCAA going out of their way to draw attention to this debacle AGAIN. I doubt it.
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Agree............The NCAA wouldn't revisit this simply to slap them on the wrist again. Will be interesting to see what kind of a spin NC puts on this. Yeah, I thought about it too.
 
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That McCants interview was pretty damning. It made Roy Williams look like a chump. I hope they audit everyone of those paper courses and smack UNC with a binder full of violations.
 
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This looks to be a fairly serious problem for UNC to me. How serious - it will be interesting to follow and see where this goes. I do not think the NCAA would go public unless the NCAA planned to do something more. If it goes public and does nothing, the NCAA looks even more inept than the pathetically inept institution it is.

NO subpoena power is a key factor. Colleges and universities making up NCAA could have given investigators subpoena power. They did not. So, it is just random bad luck if someone who can provide credible and damning information decides to squeal. UNC may be very unlucky here.
 
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So, they got their man . . . Now will they get their target?
 
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>UNC crossfire intensifies: Prof blasts critics of Rashad McCants, questions Roy Williams' former academic counselor <a href="http://t.co/CKAx0aCzIU">http://t.co/CKAx0aCzIU</a></p>— Pat Forde (@YahooForde) <a href="https://twitter.com/YahooForde/statuses/488005195255644162">July 12, 2014</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>UNC Announces Program to Allow Former Athletes to Finish Degree <a href="http://t.co/hVtdB5cgVz">http://t.co/hVtdB5cgVz</a></p>— Brian Barbour (@tarheelblog) <a href="https://twitter.com/tarheelblog/statuses/492339515286372352">July 24, 2014</a></blockquote>
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Literally too little too late.
 
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OMG I hope they burn. People like to give Calipari a hard time and somehow Roy Williams gets a major pass. If half the stuff I have read is true, he is one of the biggest scumbags in NCAA basketball.
 
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>UNC Announces Program to Allow Former Athletes to Finish Degree <a href="http://t.co/hVtdB5cgVz">http://t.co/hVtdB5cgVz</a></p>— Brian Barbour (@tarheelblog) <a href="https://twitter.com/tarheelblog/statuses/492339515286372352">July 24, 2014</a></blockquote>
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Literally too little too late.
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Ok.... UNC runs on taxpayer money but they are quick to point out that this program is funded by the UNC athletic department which after paying for the other 30 non profit sports is most likely running in the red. So in the end... the taxpayers pay for this program.

Also... though this is a nice gesture and a very ethical stance to the student, it's a benefit that gives UNC and IU an advantage over other NCAA participating institutions in recruiting. Recruits love to see the list of freebies... it's just like any sales pitch, it's all about the 'Features & Benefits' Let's face it, the students this targets left school for pro opportunities. THEY ARE THE LAST PEOPLE THAT SHOULD RECEIVE A HANDOUT. JERRY'S DONE SHOWED THEM THE MONEY! Pay for it on your own... further proof of common sense spinning out of control in Entitlement Nation.
 
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So if a person goes to the NFL and comes back to school, should they count against the scholarship count?
 
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Ok.... UNC runs on taxpayer money but they are quick to point out that this program is funded by the UNC athletic department which after paying for the other 30 non profit sports is most likely running in the red. So in the end... the taxpayers pay for this program.

Also... though this is a nice gesture and a very ethical stance to the student, it's a benefit that gives UNC and IU an advantage over other NCAA participating institutions in recruiting. Recruits love to see the list of freebies... it's just like any sales pitch, it's all about the 'Features & Benefits' Let's face it, the students this targets left school for pro opportunities. THEY ARE THE LAST PEOPLE THAT SHOULD RECEIVE A HANDOUT. JERRY'S DONE SHOWED THEM THE MONEY! Pay for it on your own... further proof of common sense spinning out of control in Entitlement Nation.
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I'd normally be all-in with you complaining about entitlements but I think you're off base on this one.

1. UNC athletics generates $83M in revenue against $83M in expense, so they're not running in the red like you described. They'd be able to make modest cuts in other expenses to fund this program.

2. What does it cost, really? Remember, just because tuition would be $50,000 (or whatever it is) or a "regular" student doesn't mean it costs the school $50,000 to educate an additional individual. The marginal cost of adding one student to a 40-person Principles of Economics course that would be running anyways is negligible.

3. Federalism allows states to do things "with taxpayer dollars" that would be wholly inappropriate at the national level. I'm perfectly fine with the State of North Carolina putting a program like this in place because it's none of my business as a resident of Connecticut.
 
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3. Federalism allows states to do things "with taxpayer dollars" that would be wholly inappropriate at the national level. I'm perfectly fine with the State of North Carolina putting a program like this in place because it's none of my business as a resident of Connecticut.
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Really wish this attitude was more common.
 
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wizards8507 said:
I'd normally be all-in with you complaining about entitlements but I think you're off base on this one.

1. UNC athletics generates $83M in revenue against $83M in expense, so they're not running in the red like you described. They'd be able to make modest cuts in other expenses to fund this program.

2. What does it cost, really? Remember, just because tuition would be $50,000 (or whatever it is) or a "regular" student doesn't mean it costs the school $50,000 to educate an additional individual. The marginal cost of adding one student to a 40-person Principles of Economics course that would be running anyways is negligible.

3. Federalism allows states to do things "with taxpayer dollars" that would be wholly inappropriate at the national level. I'm perfectly fine with the State of North Carolina putting a program like this in place because it's none of my business as a resident of Connecticut.
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You're absolutely correct that the cost is not the same as what they charge. Besides, and I'm just guessing here, but it wouldn't surprise me if the number of athletes that would take advantage of this is 25% or less, so the financial impact wouldn't be that great.
 
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wizards8507 said:
I'd normally be all-in with you complaining about entitlements but I think you're off base on this one.

1. UNC athletics generates $83M in revenue against $83M in expense, so they're not running in the red like you described. They'd be able to make modest cuts in other expenses to fund this program.

2. What does it cost, really? Remember, just because tuition would be $50,000 (or whatever it is) or a "regular" student doesn't mean it costs the school $50,000 to educate an additional individual. The marginal cost of adding one student to a 40-person Principles of Economics course that would be running anyways is negligible.

3. Federalism allows states to do things "with taxpayer dollars" that would be wholly inappropriate at the national level. I'm perfectly fine with the State of North Carolina putting a program like this in place because it's none of my business as a resident of Connecticut.
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You said they are exactly breaking even so the athletic department has no additional money to fund this program. My point exactly. So you think it's ok to cut travel cost for the women's field hockey teams so a kid who made 4 million dollars playing a couple of years in the NBA can have free T,R & B? Not me.
...Even if the athletic department had a surplus... it should go back into the general fund to pay for the schools deficit. Taxpayers fund the school, the school does NOT cover every cost with just tuition so why is a dollar being spent on kids who left school to get paid? Shouldn't they have money to pay tuition, room and board?

Your point in #2 I agree with.... The school can offer free tuition as it doesn't cost much more to put an extra kid in a class (depending how prof's are compensated) but the room and board DOES have a cost which should not be shouldered by the taxpayer or taken out of an endowment for that matter for a student WHO EARNED MONEY FOR LEAVING IN THE FIRST PLACE.

Your topic in #3 doesn't affect me personally as I am not a taxpayer in NC either but I can certainly talk about the subject. IU is doing the same thing I guess and I own property there. I pay sales tax when I'm there. So it effects me that way. Plus, it is an unfair advantage in recruiting as it is an additional benefits package that other NCAA institutions do not offer.

Remember, I said it was a noble idea in the spirit of the gesture but I don't think it is the right thing to do regarding those that have profited by leaving to come back and have the taxpayers pick up their education cost. If Michael Jordan, James Worthy and Sam Perkins want to endow a program for that.... I'm all for it.

This program should be used for athletes that had scholarships that they had to walk away from for health or family matters not former pro athletes who have the means to pay for it by themselves.


***Edit*** In addition, you will find NO greater supporter of states rights than I. I can see you and Irish#1 feel the same way as I do on that topic but we can talk about what is wrong, right, ethical and not regarding a topic which has no weight on us....yet. I promise I will not get on a bus to Raleigh tonight with my picket signs. NC residents can figure out their problems as they see fit.
 
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More trouble brewing. Hope Hood didn't deal with it.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Report: <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/UNC?src=hash">#UNC</a> investigating football hazing incident. <a href="http://t.co/McRWEaf8OV">http://t.co/McRWEaf8OV</a> <a href="http://t.co/dgrqgQaJeU">pic.twitter.com/dgrqgQaJeU</a></p>— Brian Hamilton (@BrianHamiltonSI) <a href="https://twitter.com/BrianHamiltonSI/statuses/504439946024087553">August 27, 2014</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>New report says UNC academic fraud more widespread than initiallyMichiganthought <a href="http://t.co/AKeqDdEvQg">http://t.co/AKeqDdEvQg</a></p>— CollegeFootballTalk (@CFTalk) <a href="https://twitter.com/CFTalk/status/524988532960415744">October 22, 2014</a></blockquote>
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The academic fraud that took place at the University of North Carolina may have been more wide-spread than initially thought. According to information released in a brand new report released by Kenneth Wainstein, a former U.S. Justice Department official, more than 3,100 students enrolled in classes they did not have to show up for to receive credit. This took place over a span of approximately two decades, and according to the report, nearly half of those enrolled in the classes were student-athletes.

According to the findings of the investigation, about 47 percent of the enrollment in 188 classes were student-athletes. Of that percentage, 51 percent were football players
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>New report says UNC academic fraud more widespread than initiallyMichiganthought <a href="http://t.co/AKeqDdEvQg">http://t.co/AKeqDdEvQg</a></p>— CollegeFootballTalk (@CFTalk) <a href="https://twitter.com/CFTalk/status/524988532960415744">October 22, 2014</a></blockquote>
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"...over two decades" -> Way to be quick outta the blocks on this NCAA
 
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The academic fraud that took place at the University of North Carolina may have been more wide-spread than initially thought. According to information released in a brand new report released by Kenneth Wainstein, a former U.S. Justice Department official, more than 3,100 students enrolled in classes they did not have to show up for to receive credit. This took place over a span of approximately two decades, and according to the report, nearly half of those enrolled in the classes were student-athletes.

According to the findings of the investigation, about 47 percent of the enrollment in 188 classes were student-athletes. Of that percentage, 51 percent were football players
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"They didn't come to play school."

Sounds like the Administration didn't come to play school either.
 
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