UNC Receives Notice of Allegations

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A bigger scandal than the sports issue is how has this university maintained its Academic Accreditation?

Dozens of administrators were involved in perpetuating this fraud with over 3,000 students for a generation. This wasn't a rogue tutor or a rogue teacher but a Coordinated University Culture.

They should receive severe Academic Sanctions from the Accreditation Agencies in addition to the NCAA Death Penalty for involved sports. This IS a school that needs to start anew.
 

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To be fair, at some of these schools, they straight up force you to sign up for these classes. There are hundreds of stories of kids getting forced out of engineering or science or business to joke classes because other majors have classes that "conflict with the football schedule" and they say they'll pull the kids scholarship if they don't.

However... no, that doesn't make you cheat.

Also I'll say that no it doesn't make you cheat, but the purpose of professors and the university is to put you in a situation where you need to do work to earn your degree. There's a TON of college kids that would accept all A's from their school if it was offered. They don't have the perspective necessary to understand how important the actual education aspect is. It's only afterwards, when they are having trouble in their fields and they realize they were essentially tricked out of their education, that they learn what the deal cost them.

It's not that they're innocent, but they are young/stupid and are under the influence of older savvy manipulators.
 

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A bigger scandal than the sports issue is how has this university maintained its Academic Accreditation?

Dozens of administrators were involved in perpetuating this fraud with over 3,000 students for a generation. This wasn't a rogue tutor or a rogue teacher but a Coordinated University Culture.

They should receive severe Academic Sanctions from the Accreditation Agencies in addition to the NCAA Death Penalty for involved sports. This IS a school that needs to start anew.

For what it's worth, my understanding of the accreditation process is that it's done by academic program. I'm sure there is probably some sort of high level accreditation that is done for the university as a whole, but I would not expect a cheating scandal to be uncovered at that level or hard to disguise.

In the university setting that I work in, a good number of our academic programs are individually accredited by an accrediting body specializing within that discipline or field of study. Accreditation usually involves a lot of self-reported paperwork, followed by one or two site visits. But not all academic programs are accredited - not even close. For instance, the last I knew, only two journalism programs in Michigan were accredited programs - Central Michigan University and Michigan State University. Even though every other university in the state offers some sort of journalism degree, they are not obligated to be accredited.

My guess is that the program that UNC was pushing their kids through was not accredited, and as such, fell under little outside scrutiny.But given the self-reported nature of the process and the minimal interaction with students and faculty with the accrediting committee, I'm not convinced it would be difficult to cover up at all.
 

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>UNC's sports ethics professor has been caught up in the school's academic scandal: <a href="http://t.co/86paufllFr">http://t.co/86paufllFr</a></p>— Deadspin (@Deadspin) <a href="https://twitter.com/Deadspin/status/533316893013475328">November 14, 2014</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>UNC's sports ethics professor has been caught up in the school's academic scandal: <a href="http://t.co/86paufllFr">http://t.co/86paufllFr</a></p>— Deadspin (@Deadspin) <a href="https://twitter.com/Deadspin/status/533316893013475328">November 14, 2014</a></blockquote>
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Oh the irony.
 

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This has been such a swift and precise process <a href="https://t.co/OERljqflT5">https://t.co/OERljqflT5</a></p>— Mike Farrell (@rivalsmike) <a href="https://twitter.com/rivalsmike/status/606469016971034625">June 4, 2015</a></blockquote>
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http://3qh929iorux3fdpl532k03kg.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/NCAA-NOA.pdf

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">At long last, the UNC Notice of Allegations: <a href="http://t.co/F23mCyoNH5">http://t.co/F23mCyoNH5</a></p>— Stewart Mandel (@slmandel) <a href="https://twitter.com/slmandel/status/606497957009973248">June 4, 2015</a></blockquote>
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With as long as this has taken, I half expected it to contain things about Lawernce Taylor or Dre Bly
 

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Five Level 1 (severe) violations, women’s hoops seems most in crosshairs. Lack of institutional control in there. <a href="https://t.co/JxYvffo1gq">https://t.co/JxYvffo1gq</a></p>— Brian Hamilton (@BrianHamiltonSI) <a href="https://twitter.com/BrianHamiltonSI/status/606509303181246465">June 4, 2015</a></blockquote>
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A little birdie told me Roy Williams will come out smelling like a rose. Butch Davis may catch some flack, but nothing major now that he's gone.
 

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“I want to let you know that I passed all your football players. Most of them actually passed on their own. (name withheld) and (name withheld) were the only two that had averages below 60% but I gave them both a D.”

Per Yahoo, email from UNC TA to academic support specialist. Nice to know "most of them ACTUALLY passed on their own". LOL
 

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“I want to let you know that I passed all your football players. Most of them actually passed on their own. (name withheld) and (name withheld) were the only two that had averages below 60% but I gave them both a D.”

Per Yahoo, email from UNC TA to academic support specialist. Nice to know "most of them ACTUALLY passed on their own". LOL

It's sad when you get under 60% and still get a "D". Standards aren't very high.
 

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“I want to let you know that I passed all your football players. Most of them actually passed on their own. (name withheld) and (name withheld) were the only two that had averages below 60% but I gave them both a D.”

Per Yahoo, email from UNC TA to academic support specialist. Nice to know "most of them ACTUALLY passed on their own". LOL


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UNC email: 'I passed all your football players'
 

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The Charlotte News Observer has a compilation of articles on that scandal.

UNC Scandal News | NewsObserver.com & News & Observer

Excellent compilation of articles. One article cites legal and consulting costs for UNC have exceeded $10 million so far. I would assume that more NC athletes would join the lawsuit against UNC and the NCAA and it would become a class action lawsuit. That would open up the possibility of expansion to athletes other than UNC athletes.
 

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Don't know if people saw this yesterday, but UNC somehow completely dodged any allegations for football/basketball players in the new notice from the NCAA.

I don't know if UNC getting a total pass is a good thing or very bad thing for us. The Notre Dame investigation is likely to wrap up some time before the season and I always thought we'd be able to use them as a measuring stick. Instead, there is going to be nothing to measure against... they're literally getting a pass for fake classes that players admitted were fake and kept them eligible.
 

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As if we needed another reason to think that the NCAA is a joke. Thanks for the update, Lax

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Don't know if people saw this yesterday, but UNC somehow completely dodged any allegations for football/basketball players in the new notice from the NCAA.

I don't know if UNC getting a total pass is a good thing or very bad thing for us. The Notre Dame investigation is likely to wrap up some time before the season and I always thought we'd be able to use them as a measuring stick. Instead, there is going to be nothing to measure against... they're literally getting a pass for fake classes that players admitted were fake and kept them eligible.

UNC faces a gentler set of NCAA allegations

The new notice removed an impermissible benefits charge that pertained to athletes who took fake classes from the fall of 2002 through the summer of 2011, and replaced it with a failure to comply with rules charge that starts in the fall of 2005. The new notice continues to assess a lack of institutional control charge against UNC, but also limits the misconduct to the fall of 2005 going forward for athletes in sports other than women’s basketball.

Football and men’s basketball are no longer mentioned as leading beneficiaries of the fake classes. In fact, the notice doesn’t mention them at all, and instead cites misconduct involving athletes in general in the lack of institutional control and failure to comply allegations.

Athletes made up half of the roughly 3,100 students enrolled in the classes, with men’s football and men’s basketball leading the athletic enrollments. Experts say it’s the worst academic fraud in the NCAA’s history, but the NCAA in both notices has not labeled the classes as fraudulent.

Carolina's 2005 basketball championship is no longer imperiled. The dismissal of the athletes' lawsuit against UNC is being appealed to the NC Court of Appeals.

Will FSU reinstate their on-line music courses?
 
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Not going to be a quiet day on the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/UNC?src=hash">#UNC</a> beat <a href="https://t.co/DN8K73bTpX">https://t.co/DN8K73bTpX</a></p>— Adam Friedman (@RivalsFriedman) <a href="https://twitter.com/RivalsFriedman/status/775727999438221312">September 13, 2016</a></blockquote>
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I would think that given the current climate, the timing of this announcement (if it is tomorrow), is not good for UNC.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">From a source: the NCAA Committee on Infractions tomorrow at noon will release its final report, including penalties, in the UNC case.</p>— Andrew Carter (@_andrewcarter) <a href="https://twitter.com/_andrewcarter/status/915928036775735298?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 5, 2017</a></blockquote>
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Let's see if the NCAA magically grew some balls in the last week or two. Probably not.
 

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Report is not being released tomorrow anymore. Can't embed the tweet at the moment.

UNC says they will have a presser in the "near future" when the COI gives them the official word.
 

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Report is not being released tomorrow anymore. Can't embed the tweet at the moment.

UNC says they will have a presser in the "near future" when the COI gives them the official word.

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NCAA is beyond laughable, has been for some time now.
 
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Honestly ask yourself this question. Did you expect anything different?
 
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