ulukinatme
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I strong, you strong? Crabs strong. We strong.
I strong, you strong? Crabs strong. We strong.
NDWorld247
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I know you're just making a joke, but I always laugh when people make comments about Winston's intelligence based on his diction because he's actually very intelligent who happens to talk like most people where he grew up in central Alabama. This incident was an incredibly stupid and immature decision by him, but it doesn't really change my opinion of his intelligence. If he continues to make stupid decisions I'll have to reconsider that opinion, but I hope, and think, he will learn from this mistake and wow NFL execs/coaches with his intelligence and maturity during next year's NFL draft process, assuming he declares.
IrishSteelhead
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Guy on the radio today made a good point: You can't have it both ways. These guys gripe they are adults and deserve to be paid, yet cry "youthful ignorance" anytime they make a poor choice.
Domina Nostra
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To me, Tuitt is a good example of a smart kid who talks like where he came from.
Winston seems like an example of a smart kid who is so caught up in a spiritualized, sports-psychology, ego-trip that he sounds slightly dumb or crazy.
gkIrish
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What do you base that on?
He's made a bigger mistake than this one but got away with it...
FLDomer
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-Stealing Soda from Burger King
-BB gun wars where the police are called
-Intercourse with a wasted girl while buddies recorded it
-Stealing crab legs from Publix
I don't have to listen to him speak to believe he is an absolute moron
RyCo1983
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koonja
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It probably feels like I have it out for you based on this and our talk on twitter the other day, but you know you're my boy, lol.
Intelligence and decision making are different. I had a classmate in high-school who was much smarter than me. He could have been anything he wanted to. We never came across a topic in a class he couldn't understand with minimal effort. Calculus, advanced chemistry, he could figure it all out without trying. Had good, caring parents (Dad was a coach and a detective).
No clue where he is today, but I know it's not good. Kid made terrible decision after terrible decision and ended up dropping out of college and had some serious criminal charges last time I heard from him. Having a detective as a father in a small city, he had a lot of warnings and lenience with the law, too. So much that it turned some people off quite a bit, but still, he kept trying his luck and could never make mature decisions.
He couldn't blame the environment, either. We were both popular and had the same friends and were both very accepted, but he couldn't make mature decisions, while I escaped my youth with nothing more than one underage drinking ticket (technically, I've been arrested, but it was because of the biggest misunderstanding ever. It was completely bad ass, and I had guns drawn on me and everything. It's actually a very funny story and I probably could have sued the police department, but I didn't).
Smart as they come, very self aware, social, funny, and liked, but had a decision making gene that was toxic.
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koonja
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When I get on next, I'll share with you guys the story of my arrest. You probably won't believe me, but it's a 100% true.
Irish Insanity
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Wait, GK is on twitter?
ACamp1900
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Oh I can already believe it.
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@therealelgreco.
Here's how I got arrested at gunpoint.
I was 16 and it was the summer between my 10th-11th grade year. We're all ND fans, so you can probably imagine a small town (2,000), country road area. Me and 10 other guys were all packed into a truck at night, 5 in the actual truck, 6 of us in the bed of the truck, driving around 'coon bashing'.
If you don't know what coon bashing is, good for you. Disclaimer - I never held a 'club' and never attacked an animal, but we had plans to go to a bonfire party later, so I went along. Coon bashing is when you shine fields for opossums, raccoons, whatever, then run after them and tree them or kill them with a bat or golf club. Again, this was cruel and gross to me, but I wanted to go to the party later and these were my friends so I went along.
We're on a back road, not a car in sight. Open fields and we can see everything, even perpendicular roads and highways. We only saw about 3 cars in an hour. Well one of these cars called the police and claimed that we had shotguns and were waving them around in the air. This happened, but the shotguns were actually golf clubs.
All of a sudden and with no heads up, 2 squad cars start charging at us on the road we were on from about a mile away. We look back, same thing. Two squad cars behind us with everything lit up. We think 'well, we are riding 11 in a truck... But why do they need 4 cars to give us a traffic ticket?'.
The cars come to a hasty stop, and jump out and put up those orange saw-horse looking things to block off the highway. At this point, we're like WTF is going on. This can't be for coon bashing and riding with too many people in the truck.
Seconds later, we have 2 shotguns, 4 handguns, a loud speaker, and a guy on the radio, all on us commanding us to stay down and keep our hands up. Keep in mind we have no idea WTF this is all about.
It took about 45 minutes to arrest us all, because they had us stand up without dropping our hands, get out of the truck, and walk half way between the truck and the police on one side, and get down on our knees, where we were handcuffed and separated from our friends. We obviously had to move incredibly slow because they didn't want any quick movements. One by one, eventually we were all handcuffed and questioned individually so they would know if we were lying (since there were 11 of us and only 8 cars, 3 of us - I was one of them - had to sit in a squad car and answer questions after the first round).
They tried to act like they knew we had a shotgun and that we must have ditched it, but eventually with everyone telling the same story, they believed us and let us go. The following Monday, they came to school to apologize to us as a group and let us know that they take every precaution (and I don't blame them) and that's why they did what they did.
I was honestly cracking jokes in the truck because I knew there was a misunderstanding, but it was still scary because we had the 6 guns drawn on us for ~40 minutes straight, without knowing what the hell they were thinking.
Truth be told - while I was joking around in the truck, when it was my turn to get up, unbalanced with my hands in the air and jump down to go get arrested, I was very scared. I was thinking 'what if I trip and they think I'm pulling something? I'm going to get shot to death'.
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and... stopped reading... wtf!?!
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koonja
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Coon bashing? It's a really stupid, hick thing. Probably only in Wisconsin. I don't understand it either.
RyCo1983
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Kids 'round here used to go after Possums and Porcupines when I was in my teens
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koonja
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If Jameis would have stolen the crab legs first, he could have taken the girl out for dinner and probably avoided having to rape her.
Life is about timing.
Life is about timing.
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koonja
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Like I said, I never did it. It's sick, but I wanted to go to the party that night.
FWIW, they all turned out pretty good. Most are teachers and coaches, a couple of business owners, and most have a good job and family. One guy was pretty weird and IDK what happened to him, lol. But I never left the truck and wasn't a fan.
FWIW, they all turned out pretty good. Most are teachers and coaches, a couple of business owners, and most have a good job and family. One guy was pretty weird and IDK what happened to him, lol. But I never left the truck and wasn't a fan.
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Irish Insanity
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Guilty by association.
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We were 16 (and I don't even like saying 'we' because I didn't participate at all), and after the fact the police knew what we did and didn't care. Not saying that makes it right, but just giving you an idea of how common this was around Wisconsin. There's nothing to do in that state.
Cast the first stone I guess.
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I base it on my personal experience with him. First in 2012 when he was a high school senior and again in December after he won the Heisman. In both cases I spent 4-5 days with him and we had several conversations, the second time (December 2013) at much greater length than the first time. I walked away each time impressed with his maturity and intelligence. I'm not the only one that felt this way. Nearly every adult that also came into contact with him during this time remarked at how intelligent he was. The kid is smarter than most would like to believe despite his diction and recent poor decision making.
As for the rape allegation...I'd rather not get into a tit-for-tat breakdown of the case. My belief is it's not the first time a big-time athlete was accused of a crime he didn't commit. I could be wrong, but that's been my opinion since day one on this subject.
irishff1014
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This dude needs reality check. Typical star athlete!!!
They did the same thing with armadillos in Mississippi where I went to college. Even a smaller town than 2000, I think.
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Personally kuehnja, i thought that story was a delight to read. Well done sir
Maybe so, but the coverup by the FSU, campus police and local police department ruined any chance of proving his innocence.
Does anyone really believe the campus police officer did not contact the athletic department and/or the football coach?
How did a super football booster police officer get assigned to the case, who immediately deep-sixed the investigation? Are we to believe he had no contact with FSU and the football department?
Are we to believe that it was impossible for the police to identify the suspects described by the victim as black, very big, muscular, athletic FSU students, one of whom was named Chris, at a football school? The ID was made by the victim a couple of months later when she identified him from a chance encounter in a class a year before he became famous. If she were a "gold digger" why the delay and how could she be this perceptive as to his future?
The girl's story screams date rape drug. Why was not a urine test preformed in the ER as part of the investigation?
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