'13 CA DT Eddie Vanderdoes (UCLA)

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Hey, if a few of you want to beat the "academics suck in the SEC" drum, have at it. It's a free country, you have a right to be wrong, and it's amusing to know why you feel a need to do so. Lots of people find it easier to just go with stereotypes instead of thinking for themselves or checking their facts. If you need to, then by all means feel free!

No one said that the academics suck in the SEC, Vanderbilt is a great school. Alabama is not a great academic institution comparitively on or off of the football field. Furthermore, more than half of Bama's team is going to school for "General Studies".

Why don't you go check your facts. Go look at where Bama ranks in the degrees that your players attend school for. We have facts for days if you want to see them. Quality of degree is the major selling point of our program.
 

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Hey, if a few of you want to beat the "academics suck in the SEC" drum, have at it. It's a free country, you have a right to be wrong, and it's amusing to know why you feel a need to do so. Lots of people find it easier to just go with stereotypes instead of thinking for themselves or checking their facts. If you need to, then by all means feel free!

Don't forget what website you're on.
 

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Classic obfuscation of facts. This cracks me up and means absolutely nothing at all. It's a completely empty stat that is in large part due to how much easier the classes are at Alabama vs. at ND. At ND there are no majors for athletes to hide in and there are no bottom of the barrel college students to just eat the Cs and Ds... you're competing against a small population of academically focused very bright students who finished at the top of their HS classes and it's very hard to even get Bs in most majors.

Kids who end up at ND don't even apply to Alabama as a safety school. Sorry, just a fact. That's the difference in educational prestige between the two places.

First, nobody is disputing that ND has better academics. ND can say that about all but a few schools. You're one of the elite academic programs in the US. Remember though, not everyone can be ND, Stanford, or Yale. My point was simply that despite the stereotype you feel a need to perpetuate, academics at Bama are actually a lot better than you realize. Academics for our football team is quite good. Saban recruits bright kids and they're pushed hard to excel in the classroom. Their gpa and grad rates are well above average. This is not an easy school or a football factory. I did my undergrad there and my grad work at one of the elite schools. Not nearly as much difference as you think.
 

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Hey, if a few of you want to beat the "academics suck in the SEC" drum, have at it. It's a free country, you have a right to be wrong, and it's amusing to know why you feel a need to do so. Lots of people find it easier to just go with stereotypes instead of thinking for themselves or checking their facts. If you need to, then by all means feel free!

Three kids from my high school went to Bama. They all at one point were on academic probation at my high school, and therefore could not play any sports. This means they had under a 2.0 GPA for more than two straight trimesters (roughly 2/3 of an academic year).

I'm responsible for my high school (I'm class agent) to inquire about GPA at current colleges to find out how my high school's former students were doing in college. I asked every member in my graduating class to share their GPA if they chose to.

Obviously not everyone wishes to share their GPA. But my peers at Bama were more than happy to send their transcripts to me.

4.0
3.88
3.70

I'm sorry. It's a joke. I have no respect for Bama's academics whatsoever because of examples a, b, and c, but also because of any ranking, and admission numbers, or really anything at all regarding academics in general. Are there intelligent people that attend Alabama? Sure. But c'mon......
 

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Hey, if a few of you want to beat the "academics suck in the SEC" drum, have at it. It's a free country, you have a right to be wrong, and it's amusing to know why you feel a need to do so. Lots of people find it easier to just go with stereotypes instead of thinking for themselves or checking their facts. If you need to, then by all means feel free!

I can say for certain that players at Georgia are not permitted to take any major of their choosing. They are given a few majors to pick from but things such as pre law and pre med are out of the question. My source? My brother. He worked at Kaplan Test Prep in Athens and he was told this by a number of players and or former players who were on medical scholarships on a number of occasions. So it's not so much about the academics of the school as a whole rather the majors and or courses the players are allowed to take and participate in.

Anyhow, a good friend of his was a point guard at Clemson and he had plenty of stories about basketball players taking classes such as the history and theory of basketball. I have a hard time imagining the situation is much different at Auburn, LSU, Florida State...
 
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Classic obfuscation of facts. This cracks me up and means absolutely nothing at all. It's a completely empty stat that is in large part due to how much easier the classes are at Alabama vs. at ND. At ND there are no majors for athletes to hide in and there are no bottom of the barrel college students to just eat the Cs and Ds... you're competing against a small population of academically focused very bright students who finished at the top of their HS classes and it's very hard to even get Bs in most majors.

Kids who end up at ND don't even apply to Alabama as a safety school. Sorry, just a fact. That's the difference in educational prestige between the two places.

Has anyone told him that we graduate 100% of our African American kids?
 

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Don't forget what website you're on.

I'm not, I've always tried to be a good and respectful guest, but that also doen't mean I have to tolerate misinformed, bigoted, ignorant, intentional insults either. Remember what site you're on and be a decent host with some manners.
 

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When you're on deer antler spray I hear you can afford to miss a workout.

Who was the first person that thought that it would be a good idea to spray deer antler spray down their throat? Never heard of such a thing. Unless you consider the guy who first licked the back of a toad to get high the very first time..
 

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Hey, if a few of you want to beat the "academics suck in the SEC" drum, have at it. It's a free country, you have a right to be wrong, and it's amusing to know why you feel a need to do so. Lots of people find it easier to just go with stereotypes instead of thinking for themselves or checking their facts. If you need to, then by all means feel free!

Wrong? Check OUR facts? How are these for facts?

National University Rankings | Top National Universities | US News Best Colleges - ND #17, Alabama #77

Average profile of a student admitted to ND: 1340/1520 SAT, 32/34 ACT

Average profile of a student admitted to Alabama: 1000 (LOL!)/1280 SAT, 22/29 ACT... so your smartest kids are less intelligent than our dumbest on the quartiles

Full List of Schools - PayScale College Salary Report 2012-13 - ND #13 tied with Harvard, Alabama #370 tied with CUNY Staten Island

I still remember getting a letter in the mail from Alabama telling me I was accepted and had a full ride plus some cash and a laptop... without me even applying, simply because I got national merit and they were that desperate for someone with a brain. That's how you know a school sucks... when you get accepted without filling out an application.
 

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I can say for certain that players at Georgia are not permitted to take any major of their choosing. They are given a few majors to pick from but things such as pre law and pre med are out of the question. My source? My brother. He worked at Kaplan Test Prep in Athens and he was told this by a number of players and or former players who were on medical scholarships on a number of occasions. A good friend of his was a point gaurd there as well and he had plenty of stories about basketball players taking classes such as the history and theory of basketball. I have a hard time imagining the situation is much different at Auburn, LSU...

UGA, Auburn, SC and a couple of others are pretty bad. Bama, UF, Vandy, and surprisingly LSU actually have very good academics for their football players and are all well above the national average in APR, gpa, and graduation rates.
 

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I'm not, I've always tried to be a good and respectful guest, but that also doen't mean I have to tolerate misinformed, bigoted, ignorant, intentional insults either. Remember what site you're on and be a decent host with some manners.

We all know what site this is, and its ours, not yours. Again... no one said anything bigoted, misinformed or ignorant. You rode in on your high horse and are now getting all butthurt because you are the one that doesn't have his facts straight. The reality is that the two most prevelant degrees of Alabama football players is General Studies and Kinesiology. Neither of which is remotely marketable or worth their weight in paper. They are jock degrees that shady schools like Bama use to keep kids eligible to play football. That's a fact, its not me being a big meanie to you.

Finally... as I said before... find me a degree that one of your players is attending school for that ranks in the top 50 in the country. Go ahead... get my facts straight.

If not, then get the hell out of here. No one asked you to be here in the first place.
 

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Wrong? Check OUR facts? How are these for facts?

National University Rankings | Top National Universities | US News Best Colleges - ND #17, Alabama #77

Average profile of a student admitted to ND: 1340/1520 SAT, 32/34 ACT

Average profile of a student admitted to Alabama: 1000 (LOL!)/1280 SAT, 22/29 ACT... so your smartest kids are less intelligent than our dumbest on the quartiles

Full List of Schools - PayScale College Salary Report 2012-13 - ND #13 tied with Harvard, Alabama #370 tied with CUNY Staten Island

I still remember getting a letter in the mail from Alabama telling me I was accepted and had a full ride plus some cash and a laptop... without me even applying, simply because I got national merit and they were that desperate for someone with a brain. That's how you know a school sucks... when you get accepted without filling out an application.

I'm happy for you. Do you feel better now? Apparently you need to put someone else down to do so. Hope it helped.

I said we weren't on your level academically, but were better than you seem to believe. Sorry you needed to go to that length to tout your school. Have a good evening.
 

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EDIT: not worth it. You get the point.
 
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We all know what site this is, and its ours, not yours. Again... no one said anything bigoted, misinformed or ignorant. You rode in on your high horse and are now getting all butthurt because you are the one that doesn't have his facts straight. The reality is that the two most prevelant degrees of Alabama football players is General Studies and Kinesiology. Neither of which is remotely marketable or worth their weight in paper. They are jock degrees that shady schools like Bama use to keep kids eligible to play football. That's a fact, its not me being a big meanie to you.

Finally... as I said before... find me a degree that one of your players is attending school for that ranks in the top 50 in the country. Go ahead... get my facts straight.

If not, then get the hell out of here. No one asked you to be here in the first place.

Nope, no high horse. Just amazed at some of what I see from people who claim to be bright and broad-minded. It's no different from any other sort of stereotyped insults or bigotry towards any group: "SEC schools are just football factories and the players don't go to class" or "All Southerners are illiterate sister-marrying hicks" or some other such silly drivel. It's the sort of thing an insecure and uninformed person says to make himself feel superior, but it shows a level of ignorance that exceeds what you're making fun of.

You'd blow a gasket if someone did the same thing to your ethnic group, religion, culture, or anything else, yet you see nothing wrong doing it yourself. Most of you are above that. A few of you feel a need to do it in this particular area because of the BCSCG and a need to feel superior to us about something again.
 

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I got into an argument about this on TideFans last month with one of the mods. He's a good guy, but argued with me about comparing law schools between the two. I then proceeded to ask him how many Bama football players go to Alabama law school, and still haven't heard back.

Nice stats you pulled Lax. I'm sure they weren't hard to find, but either way, I find it pretty funny that the brightest at 'bama can't touch the least decorated kids at ND.
 
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So yeah: the bottom line remains ND over Bama as far as academia is concerned.

Lets hope Eddie V agrees and sides less with our disgruntled Alabubba poster.
 

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No one said that the academics suck in the SEC, Vanderbilt is a great school. Alabama is not a great academic institution comparitively on or off of the football field. Furthermore, more than half of Bama's team is going to school for "General Studies".

Why don't you go check your facts. Go look at where Bama ranks in the degrees that your players attend school for. We have facts for days if you want to see them. Quality of degree is the major selling point of our program.

That's great for ND. You have a fine school. Better than mine academically. I've said so more than once. I don't feel a need to put your football program down in order to make me feel better about my mine though.
 

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Bama is a good school, I've got lots of friends that went there and they seem to be doing well with there degrees. That said ND is the champion in this battle. I'm glad we can beat you in something.
 
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Bama is a good school, I've got lots of friends that went there and they seem to be doing well with there degrees. That said ND is the champion in this battle. I'm glad we can beat you in something.

Amen.

They handed us our arses.
 

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Now stating, " the SEC is all about football" is bigotry??...

I've heard it all...

And If you guys don't like being thrown together in one big group stop the stupid united chant crap and just support your TEAM....
 

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Bama is a good school, I've got lots of friends that went there and they seem to be doing well with there degrees. That said ND is the champion in this battle. I'm glad we can beat you in something.

Thank you, sir. That was my entire point. ND is elite academically. We're not at that level, but we do have a good school academically. I just got tired of seeing the school I love insulted. Thank you for letting me retaliate and vent a little! lol
 

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Nope, no high horse. Just amazed at some of what I see from people who claim to be bright and broad-minded. It's no different from any other sort of stereotyped insults or bigotry towards any group: "SEC schools are just football factories and the players don't go to class" or "All Southerners are illiterate sister-marrying hicks" or some other such silly drivel. It's the sort of thing an insecure and uninformed person says to make himself feel superior, but it shows a level of ignorance that exceeds what you're making fun of.

You'd blow a gasket if someone did the same thing to your ethnic group, religion, culture, or anything else, yet you see nothing wrong doing it yourself. Most of you are above that. A few of you feel a need to do it in this particular area because of the BCSCG and a need to feel superior to us about something again.


Accusing SEC players of not taking classes seriously is the same as engaging in religious intolerance, racism, or accusing someone of incest?

OK sport.

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Nope, no high horse. Just amazed at some of what I see from people who claim to be bright and broad-minded. It's no different from any other sort of stereotyped insults or bigotry towards any group: "SEC schools are just football factories and the players don't go to class" or "All Southerners are illiterate sister-marrying hicks" or some other such silly drivel. It's the sort of thing an insecure and uninformed person says to make himself feel superior, but it shows a level of ignorance that exceeds what you're making fun of.

You'd blow a gasket if someone did the same thing to your ethnic group, religion, culture, or anything else, yet you see nothing wrong doing it yourself. Most of you are above that. A few of you feel a need to do it in this particular area because of the BCSCG and a need to feel superior to us about something again.

Yeah... that's really not it. It's because we're all very sick of coaches obfuscating academics to recruits. Whether it's Kiffin or Urban Meyer or whoever they ALL do it when recruiting against Stanford or ND or the regional equivalent. So when you said:
As for academics, I know you guys really love that stereotype, but let's see if you know which football program has produced the most academic All-Americans over the past 5 years.
It hit a nerve for a lot of people, myself included. We've heard tons upon tons of recruits say things like "Did you know USC is #1 business? Kiffin told me so!" and it makes us want to break sh*t because it's a bold faced lie... and the coach is basically screwing with a kid's future/education for his own personal gain.

Alabama hypothetically saying something like "pffft Vandy? You think their academics are good? We have the most academic All-Americans in recent history" is just an extension... not quite as bad and not lying... just like how South Carolina saying they have a top rated international business program isn't be lying... but it's intentionally misleading.

That's why people jumped on you. From your other posts, I can tell you're a good guy and a smart dude. And I'm sure you never expected this kind of backlash. But now you know you can't just come drop an academic talking point like that on here and not expect people to tear into it.

It has nothing to do with the NCG. It has nothing to do with you. And it really doesn't have anything to do with Alabama. More than anything it has to do with the recruitment of Amir Carlisle, etc. and this is just transference.

I, personally, hope you stick around and keep posting... because the officiating thread was really good and it'll be a long offseason.
 
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A few of you feel a need to do it in this particular area because of the BCSCG and a need to feel superior to us about something again.

And trending here...

But there is that whole "integrity" thing we're just killing your Foosball farm with completely.
 

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Eddie would be in our 2 deep next year, or the guy behind the guy whos behind the guy in bama's 2 deep.
 
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