'14 CA WR Erik Brown (Cal Verbal)

[ozzman]

 

[GBdomer]

Jealous. Cal always looked like an awesome place to play college football. Plus they throw it 50 times a game and Goff will be a stud

 

[NDohio]

IMO, if you think a prospect has the ability to be a legitimate contributor to the team, you offer them and recruit them. You don't wait for bigger fish and then try to swoop in January on players that were further down the board. You continue to recruit big fish, and IF you are lucky enough to sign a bunch of the big fish and are in a numbers crunch you either:
1. Realistically state to the prospect "we're happy to have you and honor your scholarship, but the other 4 players we're recruiting are higher up on our board and if you're looking for early playing time you may want to consider other options, or you can come here ready to compete against a lot of depth." This would handle most scenarios in a very fair way.
2. In the event that you still have too many bodies AND for the first time ever you don't get any attrition/transfers, then you take it out of the 5Y pool.











It's perfectly valid to have the opinion that Notre Dame should operate on some superior moral plane that almost no one else operates on. I don't think that's the best way to approach things. I say this because virtually every NCAA sport at virtually every school doesn't operate this way. In lesser sports, kids get straight up cut all the time. Whether because of a coaching change or transfers or recruiting or a myriad of other reasons. I had a friend at Syracuse who was a top recruit (consensus top 10) at his position and they promised him that they only recruit one kid a year for what he played and he was "their guy." He played as a true frosh but eventually got beat out by a kid in the class above him who had redshirted. Then the staff brought in multiple transfers and some fresh recruits... and coming into his junior season they simply said they needed his spot/money for other kids and that was that.

That is the reality of college sports. And no... I'm not advocating ND do anything close to that, because I find it unethical. What I am advocating is recruiting kids earlier and harder who are GOOD but not elite players, and then being prepared in the rare case that there is an overcrowding issue to say "here's where you stand, and why it might be hard to get on the field." It's an honest, up front approach that ensure we don't get burned like we typically do.

OK - I can handle this as long as the kid does not lose his schollie. In your OSU scenario I flet like you were advocating kids getting pushed out the door for bigger, better players and the scholarship was being taken from the lower rated player forcing them to find an alternative school late in the recruiting game. Playing time and depth chart conversations are completely different.

 

[Emcee77]

Tom says nothing has changed for Brown with respect to ND ... Brown is still listening and looking around. Apparently Brown and ND have talked even since this commitment.

 

[dublinirish]

whats the bets Wash got sick of him looking around and he committed to Cal as a backup before he makes his final decision?

 

[irishog77]

ND always does well with kids that waiver and have multiple commitments.


Maybe this is the answer we've been looking for as to why the staff hasn't pushed hard for him?

 

[rocket66]

He's like the dude who always has to have a girlfriend. Plenty of time to still get him if we want.

 

[Emcee77]

Elliot will visit him today, per BGI.

 

[Cpnd1]

@AnnaHScout: Cal 4-star WR commit Erik Brown recaps last week's visit w/ Brian Kelly, is expecting Bob Elliott this week: ($) Scout.com: Brown exploring his options

 

[IrishLax]

@AnnaHScout: Cal 4-star WR commit Erik Brown recaps last week's visit w/ Brian Kelly, is expecting Bob Elliott this week: ($) Scout.com: Brown exploring his options

Sooo.... are we not crossed off the list?

 

[Cpnd1]

Just read the intel saying that Brown is shutting down, but I just saw that Low put in a CB for ND today. Wondering what he is hearing that is different. Sorry if this I posted somewhere else.

Edit- just saw it was posted on the intel thread.

 

[Emcee77]

Brown and Denbrock are still in contact and Brown has no problem waiting to see if a spot will open up. If he gets the green light to commit, Loy expects him to be Irish.

 

[IrishLax]

Basically seems like Brown still talks to people and likes ND (and people in his camp like ND), but that his family is trying to completely shut it down and doesn't want him to flip again. ISD reporting he's off the board, 247 reporting if he got the green light he'd sign up... no idea who to believe.

 

[Cackalacky]

Basically seems like Brown still talks to people and likes ND (and people in his camp like ND), but that his family is trying to completely shut it down and doesn't want him to flip again. ISD reporting he's off the board, 247 reporting if he got the green light he'd sign up... no idea who to believe.

Could this go to signing day depending on how things shake out?

We might miss out on Quick. No Lazzard. Could pick up McKenzie and/or Nelson... Would we take him?

 

[NDhoosier]

I see it as this, from all the reports and such, we get 2 more WRs:
McKenzie or Nelson
Quick or Brown

My preferences in bold

 

[PANDFAN]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>ICYMI What I'm Hearing on <a href="https://twitter.com/search?q=%23NotreDame&src=hash">#NotreDame</a> and Tyler Luatua, JuJu Smith, Michiah Quick and Erik Brown. Good news coming? <a href="http://t.co/re3LWsPoWx">http://t.co/re3LWsPoWx</a></p>— Tom Loy (@TomLoy247) <a href="https://twitter.com/TomLoy247/statuses/411865219690819584">December 14, 2013</a></blockquote>
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[woolybug25]

Bumparoo...

 

[Bogtrotter07]

Thanks, anyone got anything interesting?

 

[clashmore_mike]

Tom Loy might

 

[gkIrish]

Thanks, anyone got anything interesting?

Purely speculation at this point but the staff has told Brown in the past that he was lower on our board than IM and other prospects. The thought is that Brown would commit to ND on the spot if given the green light.

So the question is whether you take Brown (assuming he would commit) and move on from the IM situation?

IMO if we don't take Brown and IM goes elsewhere the staff messed up badly.

 

[IrishLax]

EDIT: Nevermind! Away from computer for a couple hours and you get left in the dust...

 

[wizards8507]

EDIT: Nevermind! Away from computer for a couple hours and you get left in the dust...

There's a mystery recruit who ND has lined up to take McKenzie's spot if necessary.

 

[Luckylucci]

Senior Year Regular Season

 

[Emcee77]

Senior Year Regular Season

Gah for some reason Hudl doesn't work for me on my work computer. Are the senior highlights better than the junior highlights? I thought his junior highlights were good but nothing to write home about.

 

[ND NYC]

damn...wish this wasnt let out of the bag now. cal will be doing everythig they possibly can to keep him.
better the info came out in the dead period before nsd. oh well.
do want if we can get.

 

[JughedJones]

Gah for some reason Hudl doesn't work for me on my work computer. Are the senior highlights better than the junior highlights? I thought his junior highlights were good but nothing to write home about.

To my untrained eyes, I'd side with you. This senior tape looks good/very good, but nothing that really makes you say "holy shite"

 

[Walter White]

Gah for some reason Hudl doesn't work for me on my work computer. Are the senior highlights better than the junior highlights? I thought his junior highlights were good but nothing to write home about.

They are quite a bit better. He catches the ball at its highest point, has good ups, catches in traffic, and displays great vision after the catch. He still looks slow to me though and kind of small. He could improve breaks in his route running.

 

[Emcee77]

damn...wish this wasnt let out of the bag now. cal will be doing everythig they possibly can to keep him.
better the info came out in the dead period before nsd. oh well.
do want if we can get.

Well, it's all speculation ... but at the same time I get what you mean. The inference is obvious and I'm sure reporters are reaching out to him right now to ask if he's had recent contact with ND. Hopefully we'll know more soon.

It just occurred to me that it could also be Kameron Uter though ... he'd have to visit, as he hasn't yet.

 

[Luckylucci]

Gah for some reason Hudl doesn't work for me on my work computer. Are the senior highlights better than the junior highlights? I thought his junior highlights were good but nothing to write home about.

He's a quality prospect. If we miss on IM and Quick, I'll be very pleased to end up with him.

 

[PANDFAN]

Gah for some reason Hudl doesn't work for me on my work computer. Are the senior highlights better than the junior highlights? I thought his junior highlights were good but nothing to write home about.

decent speed but certainly not blazing but really good vision after catch